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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: guest6092 on May 28, 2016, 05:34:54 PM
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I really didn't check if it was working when I bought it, also didn't need to use/ noticed it for last few months. Recently turned on the washer jet for the rear window and it doesn't work.
Tried to open the nozzle and used a bike pump to push some air, but no luck.
Usually for the front jet, when turned on I can hear the pump sound. But when I turn on the rear on I don't hear any sound of any activity.
What could be wrong?
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I believe the washer bottle in the front (under the offside headlight) has two pumps, one each for front and rear.
Possibilities: faulty pump, connector, switch, wiring, fuse if no sound. Blocked pipe if pump sounds.
Probably easiest to repair it by removing front offside wheel arch liner.
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TG
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Hi there, not sure if you said if it was for a mk1 or mk2.
However my, mk1 front washer packed up after not using the car a few months. Same thing, no noise.
Turned out to be the washer motor (probably original part), checked to see if it was the pump first by swapping the rubber tubing over to rear washer pump and this was working with water squirting out fine on the windscreen.
You can under a screw under the bottom front of the wheel arch and then undo one or two poppers, not sure how many, not all of the wheel arch has to be removed to get access to the washer area. Yes there is one reservoir to supply two pumps, see photo, Black is new front pump.
Got this front ebay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161778925204?ul_noapp=true. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161778925204?ul_noapp=true.)
Its cheap, but as its not a safety critical item if it fails buy another one. Got a quote from Honda Dealership, part retails at about £40.00.
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Hi. Thanks both of you for your reply.
There's no sound of pump. So my first guess would be the pump for rear jet is faulty, since front ones working fine.
I tried to open right side of the front bumper. But after opening the screw from the back of the wheel, i can't find the other poppers. Diagrams from manual is also bit confusing for me. I didn't want to force open it, in case it cracks. Any suggestions please?
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Hi there.
Firstly u need to remove to front wheel if not done already
There is one screw see photo with silver screw in middle of 1 photo.
Other photo is a plug which u need I pull under trim away from bodywork. Pull it well but not to harsh.
You can then get your hand under the car and access the motor.
The screw and plug at at the front of the wheel arch.
Any questions let me know.
Jonathan
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Just like jonathon says & to remove the poppers use a small screwdriver blade to lift out the centre then the main body will come out without force. In the same location I had to replace the horn at 3 years old (didn't realise it wasn't working until preparing for first MOT) and took off the front valance which took longer and was more effort than needed, much better to reach in through the wheel arch if you can.
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TG
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Thanks. No I haven't opened the wheel, since I don't have tools to do that. What I have done is removed the screws that connects to the body under the bonnet. And removed the screw from underneath of the front wheel.
From TG's pictures it looked that I could detach the bumper from the car, and pump is just under the headlight part!!! Or am I wrong?? Is removing wheel a must?
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From TG's pictures it looked that I could detach the bumper from the car, and pump is just under the headlight part!!
Remove bumper = lots of fixings, plus those connecting it to the wheel arch liner & unwieldy
Arch liner = a couple of fixings & quicker
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TG
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Personally would not remove bumper. Could be headache putting back. When I removed those two screw I had to force the bottom section of the wheel arch a bit but I will pop back into place when u finish.
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look at posts for replacing headlamp bulbs on 2002 to 2008 Jazz - the fastenings you need to remove are exactly the same, I did it many times - the sections of underguarding have tongues and slots which interlock as well as the pop-out fasteners and a couple of screws right at top of wheel-arch.
a couple of the pop-up fasteners (lift the centre with a small screwdriver and the rest will pull out) go through two thicknesses of plastic and are longer, don't get them mixed up as the shorter ones won't work in two thickness.
it may just be a bad connection in electrical plug, just unplug and plug in again and it may work, sometimes the pump sticks and a good hard tap will free it a bit - a good reason for keeping decent additive in the washer fluid is that it can prevent pump sticking.
definitely remove the wheel - sooh much better access.
no need to remove front bumper - so much pain you don't want to go there
just a tip, (it won't affect you at this time of year) - in the winter when plastic under-guarding gets cold it loses a lot of its flexibility and can crack if you bend it too much.
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Cheers on last post. That's correct
Don't be to gentle arch lining pops out
Best to have the wheel if though. As if u take the take the wheel off u don't need to take to many poppers / screws from arch lining
Good luck. J
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Thanks to all of you. I think I have enough information now to go ahead and do this. I will let you know How i get on.
Just wanted to share, found this video on YouTube Looks helpful too...
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Thanks guys. I have managed to replace the washer motor this morning and the wiper is back to normal now. I didn't have to remove the wheel though. But definitely removing wheel would make it much easier to handle.
I had 2 different types of motor for front and rear. Rear motor is more expensive than the front one though. Paid £19.99 from ebay.
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My front washer stopped today, so that's a job for next weekend. Until then a bottle and sponge will have to do.
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TG
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Hi guy I have the same problem. What do I do?
Front wipers work
Rear wiper work
Front wash for wipers work
Raer wash for wiper not work but I hear the motor sound.
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The spray jet could be blocked (try a pin poked into nozzle), there is also a spring loaded non-return valve in the pipe above rear tailgate to stop fluid draining back into bottle and emptying the pipe (I had to replace this on a MK1 Jazz, Halfords do an inline valve which fits) - this can stick closed and not let fluid through 'the right way'. Other than that the pipe can freeze up. Last resort will be to check the pump, the impeller may be loose or broken so that although motor is turning its not pumping anything.
PS - I found that with the jet facing straight down the screen (as it is shipped from factory) when you use rear washer most of the fluid just runs down rear window and onto tailgate without doing much, what I did on our Jazzes was to angle the top jet across the screen at about 45deg this means the washer fluid stays on the screen and the wiper blade picks it up on the way across (from memory the nut holding jet is 10mm across flats, only needs slackening off slightly to allow jet to rotate - be careful not to over-tighten as it is only plastic and will strip or snap off).
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Poked the jet with a pin, all clean.
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Can some one tell me which parts to look at from this diagram.
https://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA401&block_02=B__1500&block_03=20235&block_05=hcr (https://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA401&block_02=B__1500&block_03=20235&block_05=hcr)
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Can some one tell me which parts to look at from this diagram.
https://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA401&block_02=B__1500&block_03=20235&block_05=hcr (https://www.lingshondaparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA401&block_02=B__1500&block_03=20235&block_05=hcr)
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I guess it depends what part you are looking for - go on ! - give us a clue - do you still have a problem with washers
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culzean
I have checked for dirt in the washer none found. The motor seems to be working but no spray. There must be a boocage or a leak. Over the weekend I will swapped the pipes round from the front washer punmp and rear, to cheak if it's not a moter problem.
What should I do if it still does not work?
Is it easy to take out the motors?
Do I need to check the fuse box?
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If you get a noise from the pump when operating the switch then the fuse is ok. The pumps are mounted under the washer bottle, when I have checked pumps I take drivers side front wheel off and remove front part of plastic wheel arch liner, the pumps are easy to replace because electric supply is on a plug and tube will pull off.
Some people use the technique of putting a tube (or just your mouth, but not such a good idea with all the gunge on the back of your car) over the nozzle and blowing air back down to try to dislodge any blockage, this may have limited success on rear washer because there should be a non-return valve in the pipe, if this valve is stuck open it will allow washer fluid to drain back to bottle and it can take a while for fluid to get back to nozzle when you operate washer, if it is stuck closed it will stop fluid anyway. The non-return valve should be accessible along top edge of tailgate when you lift tailgate fully you will see a tube running to washer nozzle, valve is an inline plastic whatnot.
While you are doing this I would replace headlight bulb.
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Can yopu upload photos here?
water is coming out of the hose but the nozzle looks bent.
When I mean bent, the nozzle is not at a right angle but straight with a slight bend.
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It there some sort of diaphragm is the nozzle?
I can feel it move.
The fluid comes out when the nozzle is not attached.
Where can I get a cheap Nozzle from
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they may have replaced the inline non-return valve with a flap of some kind in the nozzle housing to stop fluid draining back to tank all the time.
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Here is the Nozzle
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/312/32650157196_1c2048b6f3_b.jpg)
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/705/31878671333_1c47c2e6dc_b.jpg)
Can someone tell me if this is correct the tube goes into the nozzle and the rubber boot covers the nut.
Where can I purchase a replacement nozzle? Honda charges £15.
Does anyone live in london, so I can see if the Nozzle works on your cars then I will know if it's the nozzle problem or the Motor. My MOT is up at the end of this month. This is automatic failure.
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I would expect the water to come out when you remove the nozzle because if the pressure is low the hole in the nozzle is small and the pipe is quite big, can you check pressure by squeezing the tube and see how far it squirts? Could still be a failing pump but other than ripping the under arch guarding off and swapping pipe between front and rear pumps there is no easy way to check, if you are going to the trouble to do that you may as well buy the pump first and change it anyway. If it is an automatic MOT fail then try the cheapest / least amount of work option first.
One good reason for keeping a decent quality washer additive in the system is that it can stop algae and other nasty stuff growing in the system, which can block stuff up, also if you can use soft water to fill the washer bottle it keeps the limescale out as well which can block jets just like it blocks your shower-head at home.
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Where can I purchase a replacement nozzle? Honda charges £15. Does anyone live in london, so I can see if the Nozzle works on your cars then I will know if it's the nozzle problem or the Motor. My MOT is up at the end of this month. This is automatic failure.
I've just checked the MOT manual and it seems that wipers and washer checks only apply to the windscreen.
Section 8.2 Page 178. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles. (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles.)
I'm in London next week (next to Tower Bridge outside CC zone) but if you can wait till the last week of the month I could post you one, although something like this should be v.cheap from any of the breakers selling parts on eBay. The nozzle might might be repairable by soaking in bleach or hot water.
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TG
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Where can I purchase a replacement nozzle? Honda charges £15. Does anyone live in london, so I can see if the Nozzle works on your cars then I will know if it's the nozzle problem or the Motor. My MOT is up at the end of this month. This is automatic failure.
I've just checked the MOT manual and it seems that wipers and washer checks only apply to the windscreen.
Section 8.2 Page 178. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles. (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-inspection-manual-for-class-3-4-5-and-7-vehicles.)
I'm in London next week (next to Tower Bridge outside CC zone) but if you can wait till the last week of the month I could post you one, although something like this should be v.cheap from any of the breakers selling parts on eBay. The nozzle might might be repairable by soaking in bleach or hot water.
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TG
Thanks TG for your kind offer was going to take you up on the offer.
On monday had MOT and passed, they did not chack rear washer Thanks culzean for you information.
Anyway before that I took out the jet and tried to blow air through it with my mouth and it work then I soaked it in WD40 and stuck a cocktail stick in both end and moved some sort of diaphram. Then tried to blow with my mouth but did not work. The I went to poundland and bought a air duster and blow it and worked.
Then I put it back on my car at a slight angle and it did not work. This was over 2 weeks ago. Today TG i was going to take you up on that offer, so tried it again today and sods law it WORKED :o.
Yes I do not know why but i'm happy :)
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Hi there, not sure if you said if it was for a mk1 or mk2.
However my, mk1 front washer packed up after not using the car a few months. Same thing, no noise.
Turned out to be the washer motor (probably original part), checked to see if it was the pump first by swapping the rubber tubing over to rear washer pump and this was working with water squirting out fine on the windscreen.
You can under a screw under the bottom front of the wheel arch and then undo one or two poppers, not sure how many, not all of the wheel arch has to be removed to get access to the washer area. Yes there is one reservoir to supply two pumps, see photo, Black is new front pump.
Got this front ebay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161778925204?ul_noapp=true. (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161778925204?ul_noapp=true.)
Its cheap, but as its not a safety critical item if it fails buy another one. Got a quote from Honda Dealership, part retails at about £40.00.
Did the replacement pump from ebay work ok