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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015-2020 => Topic started by: jazzeck on May 12, 2016, 07:31:10 AM
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Found one, in my view very poor feature of new model and having owned multiple Honda cars this is the first significant complaint.
I always have a full size spare in my cars - would not even buy a car if it could not carry one.
With my new jazz I got the full size wheel and tyre as the car is shod with for a good price as part of the deal.
When picked up the car still had the spare wheel well filled with the tool tray/storage pockets moulding.
When this removed and the spare fitted in its place the boot floor put back down into position some consideration of fitting my 'boot caddy' for carrying the dog was made.
Even with that fitted with dog in place (only a 23kg Spaniel) it was apparent through the boot caddy floor that the underfloor was distorting.
Removed the boot caddy and it was very obvious that minimal loads on the boot floor lead to serious distortion - so much that floor collapse could easily happen with a not very large load which did not spread to the underlying structure. Even a suitcase of the right/wrong size in the boot centre could cause collapse.
I think when a 'space saver' is supplied there may be a tool holder moulding also supplied, this may provide some support.
I am in discussion with Honda at the moment on this subject, will be taking the car back to dealer at Honda's request to discuss for them to also report back.
In the meantime have fitted 6mm ply with two straps that rest on the spare to provide adequate support for the boot floor.
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The thin floor is probably due to weight saving or maybe to stop people complaining it is too heavy to lift.
The floor is fine provided it is supported. The neatest solution so far is shown here http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=7501.msg39679#msg39679. (http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=7501.msg39679#msg39679.) I'm currently using some bits of wood but have a plan to make a filler from expanding foam when I remember to buy some.
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Most kind John - you've just made my day!
I did think about polystyrene and a hot wire cutter, even looked at big sheets of the stuff in Wickes. What clinched it was I had some spare mdf in the garage
Jazzeck - I'm Edinburgh if you want to see it
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I had some 2.5mm thick MDF which I cut to shape and placed underneath the original board. Good enough for most loads
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Text of email I have sent to Honda Customer Services;
"I did visit my dealer for their view on the boot floor with a full size spare wheel installed.
They agreed it was a problem but as Honda only provide a space saver wheel with a support for the floor there is nothing they can do to help me.
I would like to firstly request you to supply me with an email address for Honda Customer Services at the headquarters in Japan. I do have a postal address but emails so much slicker.
The reason I want this communication with Honda’s Headquarters is because I just do not believe that senior Honda personnel would put out a car with such an astonishingly poor feature.
They would also be in my opinion alarmed about the extent of concern this feature is causing loyal, long term Honda owners.
The extent to which this subject is being discussed online would also be concerning to them.
I am attaching some excerpts from online forums that very loyal Honda owners use to showcase their cars, show modifications and generally be very proud to own a Honda. There are sections in one forum even talking about Honda powered lawn mowers, bikes, generators, is the feeling regarding owner pride in their Honda equipment becoming apparent?
I have installed a ply board cover with re-enforcements on top of my spare wheel, see first attachment - my boot floor support.
Second attachment is a screen-shot from an online forum – clubjazzblock fix. Several blocks of wood used. Comment on other member regarding purchase of new car a bit worrying also
Third attachment is a word document with pictures of an MDF sub floor support which even makes a space for both the owner’s manual and the locking wheel nut. This is such a very well designed and made item that could be used as a template for production of a ‘proper’ moulded floor support.
I really do not think that Honda want cars running about with wooden made up pieces installed by owners to varying quality standards.
The image of a Honda car and the company itself is not best served by allowing this to happen.
I respectfully request you bring this to the attention of more senior personnel in Honda UK and Japan, I would appreciate email addresses for myself to address them directly."
I will publish reply.
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I would have expected Honda globally to make something which is available in the markets where they sell the Jazz with a full-sized spare (why else make the well so deep?). The problem is that Honda UK don't think we deserve the option of a full-size spare and hence do not import the appropriate filler.
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So there is a filler?
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So there is a filler?
I didn't say that I know it exists but logical thought would suggest so, somewhere in the world, where Honda sell the car with a full-sized spare wheel.
Indeed, what is that in the photo here? http://www.autonews.com/article/20150203/BLOG06/302039996/the-spare-tire-goes-missing (http://www.autonews.com/article/20150203/BLOG06/302039996/the-spare-tire-goes-missing) It's a lot thinner than the lump of plastic which was in my Jazz.
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I think you are dead right and here it is, plus text of my email to Honda
"Further investigation concerning the boot floor looking online in detail overseas has revealed – Honda part no. 84550-T5R-A10, see attachments.
Is this the item that will do the job?
Can it be marketed here?"
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As John Ratsey pointed out:
US 2015 Fit floor support tray & T135/80D15 99M space saver
(http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/CA/20150203/BLOG06/302039996/V2/0/fafsfsaf.jpg)
HR-V Thailand boot floor support
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/16441442275_2b93ce529c_b.jpg)
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TG
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I am still 'talking' to Honda Customer services, will not bore anyone with details of intransigence from them.
However please look at Fit in India - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBkoLwbEJSo. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBkoLwbEJSo.)
Looks to me like a full size spare, toolkit and support tray!!
Will send to Honda UK so called Service Dept!!
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I am still 'talking' to Honda Customer services, will not bore anyone with details of intransigence from them.
However please look at Fit in India - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBkoLwbEJSo. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBkoLwbEJSo.)
Looks to me like a full size spare, toolkit and support tray!!
Will send to Honda UK so called Service Dept!!
I agree, but doesn't the boot floor itself look more solid that the flimsy material used in the UK Jazz?
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Think you are correct, it makes you think they do not have a standard, mass produced supposed to save money?????
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I think all this weight saving it to cut co2 emissions and road tax for buyers. However most buyers would rather pay a bit more road tax to get a car of the quality they expect from Honda. Perhaps when the road tax rules change we will get better quality again.
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The attached will probably be the last communication with Honda Customer Services on this matter though I will persue the Indian parts a best I can. Will also write to Honda headquarters when I can conjure up the self control to express my dissatisfaction in a reasonable manner.
But I would ask all of those who believe this feature of the new Jazz is an awful way for Honda to present this otherwise extremely good (in it's class) car to approach their dealer and tell them. If it is a consideration in not buying a Jazz also tell them
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I don't think the dealers will complain to Honda, as they are making money selling space saver kits. As I live in a flat and have no garage, or even a saw, let alone the DIY skills, I have just forked out £196 for the official version. I was surprised to be asked what size wheels I had - I would have thought the space saver was the same for all models.
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Today went to dealer on another matter and they put in an order for the American Fit 'cargo floor' mentioned previously. The order was accepted with a delivery by month end. The spares man thinks that probably in a day or two it may be rejected as non UK stock. My next approach is through a relative in Canada and a garage - Haltons Honda in Burlington. Everyone should look at the line-up of Honda models available there, so different from UK.
Will advise all on 'cargo floor' progress.
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Got information from Canadian dealer - the floor support -'box assy' shown previously from US is indeed for a space saver a "doughnut wheel" as they call it. So it would not do the job.
I have written to Honda India to ask about the part shown in the You Tube clip referred to previously, this looks the exact part required.
I have also written to Honda Headquarters Japan expressing my frustration with the intransigence of Honda UK to help and also pointing out the'fix' available from India that Honda UK would not even look at!
I will publish my letter and any reply received from Japan when received.
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I'd just like them to make the Mk2 design available. I don't care about a spare but I do like to store the wheels off my golf trolley and my shoes underneath. The cargo netting was useful as well. And the floor didn't bend under the weight of my golf bag and trolley.
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Update - the US floor shown in previous reply is in fact for a 'donut' or spacesaver wheel - my dealer did in fact order one for me and verified this, I had in fact cancelled the order but Honda system for some reason delivered it!!
It also transpires that apparently Honda Customer Services have been in touch with my dealer concerning this matter now - maybe the letter to Honda Headquarters in Japan has had the UK given a little nudge???
Watch this space.
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with regard to the boot floor issue when using a full size spare the simple solution
is to get some 10 mm thick plywood cut this to to the size 800mmx470 mm paint
it matt black this will fit perfectly inside the ridge on the wheel well giving a perfectly flat stiff
floor total cost 5 pounds .this is for the 2016 honda jazz,do not waste any time writing to car makers
they never respond and wil not get in to a dialogue with the customers.
hope this is of some use to jazz owners
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do not waste your precious timewriting to honda car makers never reply to sort out the boot floor
with a full size spare get some 10 mm thick plywood and cut it to the size 800 mmx490mm paint
it matt black lift up boot carpet it will fit exactly in the spare wheel well and will be rigid. total cost
approx 5 uk pounds hope this is some use you will be scrapping the car before honda sort you out.
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the simple solution is to get some 10 mm thick plywood cut this to to the size 800mmx470 mm paint it matt black this will fit perfectly inside the ridge on the wheel well giving a perfectly flat stiff floor total cost 5 pounds
do not waste your precious timewriting to honda car makers never reply to sort out the boot floor with a full size spare get some 10 mm thick plywood and cut it to the size 800 mmx490mm.
So which size do you recommend: 800mmx470mm or 800 mmx490mm?
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So which size do you recommend: 800mmx470mm or 800 mmx490mm?
I recommend a ruler ;D
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So which size do you recommend: 800mmx470mm or 800 mmx490mm?
I recommend a ruler ;D
Like, a King?
I often measure with a, rule....... ;)
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So which size do you recommend: 800mmx470mm or 800 mmx490mm?
I recommend a ruler ;D
Like, a King?
I often measure with a, rule....... ;)
rule and ruler are now interchangeable terms when describing a measuring scale - I don't necessarily agree with this mangling of the English language - but it seems to be generally accepted - a rule also has more than one meaning, as in the rule of law and a rule which should be obeyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruler)
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/tools-and-hardware/rules-rulers (http://www.collectorsweekly.com/tools-and-hardware/rules-rulers)
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Whether you use a rule or a ruler John's question still remains unanswered.
Is it 800 mm x 470 mm or 800 mm x 490 mm ???
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Whether you use a rule or a ruler John's question still remains unanswered.
Is it 800 mm x 470 mm or 800 mm x 490 mm ???
I think Dayjo was suggesting John measured it himself :-X not a bad suggestion - but if in doubt use the larger size because in my experience it's a damn sight easier to take material off than to add it.
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Whether you use a rule or a ruler John's question still remains unanswered.
Is it 800 mm x 470 mm or 800 mm x 490 mm ???
I think Dayjo was suggesting John measured it himself :-X not a bad suggestion - but if in doubt use the larger size because in my experience it's a damn sight easier to take material off than to add it.
Yep! ;)
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Hello All
Yes 800mm X 490mm for the 10mm plywood works fine.
I went to my local timber merchant and he cut me
a piece exactly to this size for £6.50 and it fitted over the spare wheel recess perfectly. Saved me a lot of time having to saw one to size myself!
Boot carpet drops down on the board ok so no more sagging. You can't see the board.
When weather picks up I'll spray the board Matt black and might screw on a couple of half inch thick batons underneath the board to give it even more rigidity, but I don't think this is absolutely necessary unless we want to put something very heavy in there. Supermarket shopping loads are fine as it is. We find that lifting up the Magic Seats
is great for shopping also. Beginning to really like this SE Mark 3.
Take care All
Phil
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you want a flimsy boot floor try the 2016 yaris
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One more vote for a 800mm by 490mm piece of 10mm ply. Finally got round to getting a piece of premium plywood cut at the DIY store today. I have both a space saver and a full size I can use as a spare and the socket on the floor. I'll start with the space saver I think. The floor gives a little but not enough to cause a problem with the kind of loads I carry. I may fit a few battens to the underside but it's actually OK.
Thanks be to different1936.