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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015-2020 => Topic started by: Ozzie on September 04, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
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I was given a "specification sheet" on my visit to the Honda main dealer, and heres how it reads:
"S"
15" steel wheels
Magic Seats
CD player and DAB Radio
Bluetooth Hands Free Telephone (HFT)
City Brake Active System
Cruise Control with Speed Limiter
Rain Sensing Wipers and Dusk Sensing Lights
LED Daytime Running Lights
From £13495 (manual), £15095 (CVT)
"SE"
15" Alloy Wheels
Honda CONNECT
Front & Rear Parking Sensors
Highbeam Support System
Electric Adjustable Door Mirrors
Electric Folding Door Mirrors
Forward Collision Warning
Traffic Sign Recognition
Intelligent Speed Assist
Lane Departure Warning
From £14595 (manual), £16195 (CVT), +£610 for Navi
"EX"
16" Alloy Wheels
Smart Entry and Start
Leather Steering Wheel and Gear Knob
Automatic Air Conditioning
Rear View Camera
Rear Privacy Glass
Front Fog Lights
From £15715 (manual), £17315 (CVT), +£610 for Navi
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Your dealer has added £500 on to the price of the CVT versions for the paint options other than red and orange but the manual gearbox versions are consistent with Honda UK's price list. The extra cost for the CVT option is £1,100.
For more detail of what is included I attach the relevant pages from the Jazz brochure.
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don't really see the point of cruise control on a manual or in this country but it is great on an automatic in the states when your doing 800 miles per day
hate auto lights and auto wipers
also daytime running lights are mandatory for all cars from 2012 so hardly something to shout about and also they are on the mot just like front fog lights if fitted
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Like the speed limiter function for cruise control, My current Nissan has it but the last Jazz GE I owned only had Cruise control. I find the limiter very useful in m/way repair speed restrictions where its impossible to keep CC on but the limiter will avoid you over speeding for the average speed cameras.
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don't really see the point of cruise control on a manual or in this country but it is great on an automatic in the states when your doing 800 miles per day
hate auto lights and auto wipers
also daytime running lights are mandatory for all cars from 2012 so hardly something to shout about and also they are on the mot just like front fog lights if fitted
Agree about the cruise control, my wifes GE 1.4 Si has it fitted and she never uses it and I use it occasionally just for novelty value - speed limits change so frequently on UK roads that you can't go more than a few miles on non-motorway roads without messing with the cruise control. Don't need CC on my Civic as the digital speedometer is so big, bright and right in the line of sight at bottom edge of windscreen that there is no excuse for not keeping an eye on it. Pity Honda don't fit this to more models.
Now that the technology is available I expect big brother will insist on electronic speed limiting (locked down to 70MPH in UK) being fitted to all cars very soon - enjoy going faster than 70 while you still can :D.
Agree that auto lights and wipers are just gimmicks, If you don't know when lights and wipers need to be on go and retake you test (or pay a visit to specsavers LOL). Noticed something on the adjustable intermittent wipers on my Civic the other day, no matter how fast they are cycling when car is moving when the car stops at junctions etc the wipers slow down to about one wipe every 10 seconds so they seem to be speed dependent (but you still have to switch them on yourself - just as I like it).
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I do high motorway mileage, so I use the cruise control constantly.
I also like the auto wipers, it save pupils panicking when lorries send up spray, but not so keen on the auto lights. its not a "come get me" car but a sensible purchase . . . . . I have been browsing Golfs . . . . . I looked at them before buying the Jazz, and the cam belt cost of £700 put me off, but it is tempting me as the mpg is up around 72mpg combined, and a 50 litre tank.
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My auto wipers have worked fine - one less thing to have to fiddle with, particularly when the rainfall intensity varies. I would,however, ban the auto lights. Several times I have turned the light switch two clicks due to poor day time visibility and then realised after a while that the car hadn't implemented my intention to put the head lights on due to it not being dark enough.
I wait with interest to see how well the auto headlight dipping and the auto speed limit recognition work. And, if I understand correctly, the forward collion warning uses radar then Honda could have usually added an HUD to project images onto the windscreen of what the driver can't see due to darkness or fog.
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Your dealer has added £500 on to the price of the CVT versions for the paint options other than red and orange but the manual gearbox versions are consistent with Honda UK's price list. The extra cost for the CVT option is £1,100.
We get so ripped off here - in the US there's no extra charge on Fit for metallic and CVT adds $800.
Also, am I reading this right - there's no panaoramic glass roof on the EX now? I can't quite believe that.
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I do high motorway mileage, so I use the cruise control constantly.
I also like the auto wipers, it save pupils panicking when lorries send up spray, but not so keen on the auto lights. its not a "come get me" car but a sensible purchase . . . . . I have been browsing Golfs . . . . . I looked at them before buying the Jazz, and the cam belt cost of £700 put me off, but it is tempting me as the mpg is up around 72mpg combined, and a 50 litre tank.
dont buy vw they are the worst reliable cars you can get i have had two from new and constant problems but not a thing from my two hondas i have had from new and the vw servicing costs are a joke too and who uses cam belts still lol always chains for me from now on
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Your dealer has added £500 on to the price of the CVT versions for the paint options other than red and orange but the manual gearbox versions are consistent with Honda UK's price list. The extra cost for the CVT option is £1,100.
We get so ripped off here - in the US there's no extra charge on Fit for metallic and CVT adds $800.
Also, am I reading this right - there's no panaoramic glass roof on the EX now? I can't quite believe that.
Yes, no trace of the glass roof that I've seen. If you want one then look at the HRV.
And if you want a Jazz at a nice price then go to India https://www.hondacarindia.com/ownahonda/pricelist.aspx. (https://www.hondacarindia.com/ownahonda/pricelist.aspx.) The rupee is about 100 to the £.
One does wonder why Honda UK (and probably all of Europe) doesn't slice a bit off the price tag and get a substantial increase in sales. They would need to do it slowly, however, to avoid disgruntled owners who find that the resale values also go down.
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don't really see the point of cruise control on a manual or in this country but it is great on an automatic in the states when your doing 800 miles per day
I guess it all depends on your viewpoint, as I have a disability in my right leg/hip joint, engaging CC on any journey of moderate length, helps fight pain and fatigue.
It also reveals the fact that many drivers on motorways can't keep a constant speed, as I'm constantly being overtaken, then I overtake them as they inevitably slow down a few miles further down the road.
Reading through the spec-list of the GK, I'm disappointed there's no HIDS, as I've had them on previous cars and they're far superior to any halogens, even aftermarket bulbs.
The alloy wheels are awful and Honda continue with diamond-cut wheels, which if they're anything like the wheels on my GG6, the finish will peel off and 'corrrode', but they won't replace them under warranty....'they all do that sir.'
There's still have no interior light for the glovebox, and speaking of which, there's no glovebox cooler, like I have in my GG6...very handy for cooling drinks, or even heating a Ginster when the temp is turned up!
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I must admit I don't use cruise control that often but, a bit like air con, once you've had it you wouldn't want to be without it.
For me it is a great way to rest the right leg. I have always struggled when doing any distance with the crampy uncomfortable feeling especially in the thigh area caused by the completely unnatural business of holding your foot in a state of tension on the accelerator and I have had this, to a greater or lesser extent, in every car I've ever owned and/or driven and I have owned and/or driven all sorts.
It's a life saver for me on the odd long journey I do and I would not countenance any car without it now.
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I must admit I don't use cruise control that often but, a bit like air con, once you've had it you wouldn't want to be without it.
This was my first car and it has cruise control so I've been kind of spoiled
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I have been browsing Golfs . . . . . I looked at them before buying the Jazz, and the cam belt cost of £700 put me off,
Not sure where you get that figure from - it's around £400 ish but dealers constantly seem to have £299 offers.
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I have been browsing Golfs . . . . . I looked at them before buying the Jazz, and the cam belt cost of £700 put me off,
Not sure where you get that figure from - it's around £400 ish but dealers constantly seem to have £299 offers.
Prior to buying the Jazz Hybrid, I really wanted the Golf 1.6 diesel auto, and I ran a spreadsheet to compare, the two, plus the option of buying a cheaper, but older car, maybe a £5000 Focus. Over 4 years, and 120k miles the Focus would have been far more expensive due to its poor fuel economy of 32mpg, which would realistically have given me 26mpg whilst working.
A used Golf worth £15k and a new Jazz £17.5k were very similar in running costs servicing, Honda was slightly better mpg, but the Golf would be cheaper to buy. However VW said that the cambelt would need changing every 40,000 miles, some have since said its 80,000 miles at a cost of £700, now if it is every 40k, that puts an additional £2100 on the running costs and its a non-starter as the purchase is a business decision, so it wouldn't make financial sense.
As it goes, in the 4 years, I managed to put 170k on the Jazz, and so far repairs outside of tyres, brakes and fluids, has totalled £101, £96 for a battery and £5 for a mechanic to fit a sidelight bulb as my fat fingers don't fit, so I have no regrets there.
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What is a "highbeam support system"
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What is a "highbeam support system"
Evidently, according to Mr Salesman, if you have the car on main beam, and the car detects an oncoming car it switches the main beam, back to dipped beam, until the oncoming car has passed and then switches it back to main beam again . . . . . now that won't be interpreted as a flash to anyone in a side turning at all, will it??
Admittedly it did seem that the gadgets can all be switched off individually.
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I am astounded, that Honda have chosen not to fit any new Jazz model with a Sunroof/glass panel.
In recent years, have had 3 EX model cars and for me and I suspect many others, the main reason for choosing these over the lower models was the Sunroof.
I'm not really interested in the other gizmos that come with the model, ie leather covered gearstick or whatever.
All my cars, from as far back as I can remember have always had a Sunroof as I find driving/riding in cars without, to be quite dark and claustrophobic, particularly with the current trend to dark headlining colours.
So, unless Honda decide to amend their Jazz range to include this feature, then this will unfortunately be my last Jazz.
It has been suggested on a similar thread that I move to the HRV model, which is available with the Sunroof, yes, very nice, but unfortunately this is way beyond my budget.
Surely I'm not the only one, making this observation and suspect EX sales will drop as a result.
Best regards - Kenneve.
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No opening roof ???
Yes its a feature of many new models - Its all about cost of build, the opening S/R of years gone back was expensive to fit on the assembly line , caused the dealership issues when faults appeared and added weight to the car = more CO2 all bad news for Honda.
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However VW said that the cambelt would need changing every 40,000 miles, some have since said its 80,000 miles at a cost of £700,
Very off topic, but VW servicing is a great source of irritation to me - to the extent that our Golf is the only car in our family fleet that is looked after by an indie, rather than a franchised dealer.
I think the cambelt change is a scam - in some markets it doesn't even get looked at until 120K, and then it's only a check. In the UK dealers were frightening people into 4yr/40K changes. VW say on post 2009 cars it's 5yrs but still don't state a mileage - when I asked the dealer they said it only needs doing early if the car does high mileage.
"What's high?" I asked - "you don't need to worry about that, sir" was the reply! I've seen everything from 70K to 140K quoted. I can't say I follow this in great detail, but VW have gone back to belts after using chains for a while in some engines but having lots of problems, so chains aren't infallible. The newer belted engines are, I think, considered to be for lifetime.
Your use-case is obviously a bit different to the average owner. We've just replaced one of our Jazz's with a VW Tiguan. I figured the cambelt isn't an issue as current thinking is that I won't own the car when it's due.
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In recent years, have had 3 EX model cars and for me and I suspect many others, the main reason for choosing these over the lower models was the Sunroof.
Funnily enough the glass sunroof was the main reason I did not buy an EX, just goes to show that Honda cannot please everyone. ;D
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Funnily enough the glass sunroof was the main reason I did not buy an EX, just goes to show that Honda cannot please everyone. ;D
I thought an ES Plus pretty well is an EX without the glass roof?
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I thought an ES Plus pretty well is an EX without the glass roof?
Nearly, few other gizmos on the EX such as fog lights, auto headlights (whatever that means) and rain sensing wipers, otherwise similar and quite a bit cheaper.
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I thought an ES Plus pretty well is an EX without the glass roof?
Nearly, few other gizmos on the EX such as fog lights, auto headlights (whatever that means) and rain sensing wipers, otherwise similar and quite a bit cheaper.
Auto headlights, come on when it senses dusk, although I found that on my HS the lights come on when passing tree shadows, or going under a bridge, just a tad annoying.
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just a tad annoying.
Especially for any approaching motorists, I can imagine they must wonder why you are flashing them. :o
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Auto headlights, come on when it senses dusk, although I found that on my HS the lights come on when passing tree shadows, or going under a bridge, just a tad annoying.
Not just annoying - dangerous. I had exactly that (came on under a bridge) and a car thought I was flashing and pulled out.
I did a similar thing when the headlights of an approaching Jag seemed to flash - I realised what had happened is they'd come on with a "pop" as they were HID lamps. If set on auto a lot of cars turn them on when wipers are used.
So I never use auto-lights and I'm mindful of other road users even when turning them on manually.
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I need to do some more investigation of the headlight behaviour of my Mk 3 but the switch seems to be spring-loaded to bounce back from off to the Auto position. I kept the lights on my HS under manual control but a couple of times fell into the trap of turning the switch two clicks (which should be headlights) because of low visibility and then subsequently noticed that the lights weren't on because two clicks is the Auto position on that switch. The switch on the Mk 3 is arranged differently: Off; Auto; side lights; headlights. And, as I noted above, I can't persuade the switch to stay in off.
I took the new car on a fairly long drive today and noticed the problem of the head lights coming on under heavy shade conditions caused by overhanging trees. There was one section where it was sufficiently dark that the lights were sensible but they were too willing to come on under other conditions, such as the road being in shadow at 6:15pm on a bright evening. Other drivers must have been wondering why I had the headlights on. I did notice that once the headlights were on then there was a significant delay before they turned off again so they wouldn't give a brief flash.
The algorithm for deciding when to turn on the headlights needs tweaking to take account of the DRLs which provide a first level of making the car visible to others.
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The algorithm for deciding when to turn on the headlights needs tweaking to take account of the DRLs which provide a first level of making the car visible to others.
People who write software rarely live in the real world, they just write what they think (or what is easiest) and impose it on the world - just look at MicroSoft !! I'll stick with manual lights and wipers thanks, the human brain has been developed over a long, long time to exist in this world and I sure do trust mine much more than a few transistors and code on a chip made in China for £1.50 - My brain would not want tweaking to take DRL's into account either (or whether it is raining or not, ie. can I see through the windscreen or not).
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I do high motorway mileage, so I use the cruise control constantly.
I also like the auto wipers, it save pupils panicking when lorries send up spray, but not so keen on the auto lights. its not a "come get me" car but a sensible purchase . . . . . I have been browsing Golfs . . . . . I looked at them before buying the Jazz, and the cam belt cost of £700 put me off, but it is tempting me as the mpg is up around 72mpg combined, and a 50 litre tank.
dont buy vw they are the worst reliable cars you can get i have had two from new and constant problems but not a thing from my two hondas i have had from new and the vw servicing costs are a joke too and who uses cam belts still lol always chains for me from now on
I agree worst car I had was a VW Golf 1.9TDI and thats in 40years of driving loads of problems Door locks,Main Power Relay,Crankshaft Pulley to name a few never ever again would I buy a German make Jap all the way home for me
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I can only agree about the German cars. I have lots of friends with BMW, AUDI, VW - the newer models are full of faults such as rear suspension failure on a 2 year old BMW, distance control failure on a 4 year old AUDI (2,500 EUR to repair!!).
Now VW have been caught out in America using manipulated software to cheat the emissions tests! They face a 18M $ fine and 500,000 cars to be recalled.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/18/epa-california-investigate-volkswagen-clean-air-violations (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/18/epa-california-investigate-volkswagen-clean-air-violations)
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I can only agree about the German cars. I have lots of friends with BMW, AUDI, VW - the newer models are full of faults such as rear suspension failure on a 2 year old BMW, distance control failure on a 4 year old AUDI (2,500 EUR to repair!!).
Now VW have been caught out in America using manipulated software to cheat the emissions tests! They face a 18M $ fine and 500,000 cars to be recalled.
$18 billion, not million. The latter would be petty cash. Those who walk or cycle along roads know that there's usually a lot more much coming out of diesel exhaust pipes than the manufacturers would like us to believe.
Given the recent experience of the banks it seems that the US regulators will be quite happy to demand more money from foreign businesses than their own. One also has to wonder how many other motor manufacturers have been fiddling the testing system and most likely the US company's cars will get extra scrutiny in Europe. We know that some cars are worse than others in having claimed mpgs that can't be matched in real life. Honda's claims are usually not too far from the real world observations.
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Hi Guys
I'm very surprised that hardly anyone apart from me, has commented on the demise of the Glass Roof on the Mk3 Jazz, at least no one seems to agree with me.
I note that Hobo replied that it was the reason very that he did not opt for the Mk2 EX model, but surely the Glass Roof was the main reason, why anyone would buy the EX model, over the lower models.
The others features on the EX are really just additional gizmos and certainly not worth the additional cost.
I'm afraid the more I read about the MK3 Jazz, (headlights with a mind of their own, etc) the less I like it, so it looks as though I will be sticking with my current EX Jazz, for the foreseeable future.
Many thanks to John Ratsey for his detailed reviews, this is what these forums are for.
Regards Ken T.
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Hi Guys
I'm very surprised that hardly anyone apart from me, has commented on the demise of the Glass Roof on the Mk3 Jazz, at least no one seems to agree with me.
I note that Hobo replied that it was the reason very that he did not opt for the Mk2 EX model, but surely the Glass Roof was the main reason, why anyone would buy the EX model, over the lower models.
The others features on the EX are really just additional gizmos and certainly not worth the additional cost.
I commented on it on the first page. The ES Plus model was pretty well the EX without a glass roof, for around £1000 less. The two models even had the same wheels.
Panoramic glass roof costs around a grand as option on many cars, so you paid your money and made your choice - ES Plus or EX.
We were waiting for the HR-V (with panoramic roof) until we saw price indications around the £25K mark. So we looked (and bought) elsewhere.
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Regards my previous comment, I meant billion, I've been living here so long that I think in German and billion is milliarden!
As for the glass roof, you see hardly any here, even sunrooves are a rarity.
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II'm afraid the more I read about the MK3 Jazz, (headlights with a mind of their own, etc) the less I like it,
Reading the comments by people that have purchased one I am rapidly coming to the same conclusion, as the car has been on the market in other countries for several months you would have expected Honda would have had enough feedback to make sure any problems, minor issues and supply of spares such as spare wheel etc, were ironed out before launching on the UK/European market.
I was intending to change mine in another twelve months when it would be three years old, but as the equivalent ES model appears to be a downgrade in spec from my present one I will have to seriously consider whether to stick with Honda in the future.
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I haven't even sat in the Mk3 but if I was in the market again for a car of this size I'd probably go for the new Mazda2 which comes with a 118bhp 1.5-litre engine or the Kia Rio. I might even consider a Fiesta with the ecoboost engine.
I was always worried the Mk3 Jazz would become an also ran like the current Yaris, Micra and Colt (Mirage) have become compared to their competitive predecessors from a decade ago, but I'll reserved judgment for now until I've sat in or driven one.
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Re Richard's comment about "a car of this size", the key feature for me is that the Jazz is a car of a different size. I plan to change my 7 yr old Mk II next spring, and the options are probably Golf, Astra or Jazz. It depends on whether you want space or performance I suppose, and of course how much to spend.
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Richard,I too was tempted by the 1.5 ltr engine in the Mazda 2,also looked at the Mazda 3 2.0 ltr crossover which is based on the Mazda 2, I was very disappointed with both cars due to their lack of interior space and all round visability,although both were well equipped.As I have said in a previous post Honda should have given us the option of the 1.5 ltr fitted to the HRV and fitted to the Jazz in other markets,I find the 1.3 ltr adequate but a 1.5 ltr engine would have made the MK3 a bit more exciting to drive,if Honda ever decide to offer it I'll be at the dealers in a flash.Each to their own but although Honda don't at present offer small turbocharged engines like the Ford Ecoboost 1.0 ltr I feel this is a good thing,I prefare to have a larger turbo free, probably less stressed engine,although there were roumors of a small turbo engine for the Jazz,I won't be rushing to the dealers for that one. ;)
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Here's a list VW engine fails on Golf range, these guys have had new engines fitted. Ive got a Tig and GTD oh dear? :o
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=262793.msg2415133#msg2415133 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=262793.msg2415133#msg2415133)