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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: Bob3356 on January 30, 2015, 04:59:01 PM
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Having had the jazz since new its over 10 years old, thought i would trade it in for a year old jazz. Went to my nearest dealer....the chap was intent on selling me a new jazz automatic....plus the best he would offer was one thousand pounds part ex...
he would not listen.....next day i visited Hyundai i now own a new i20 and am very impressed...so far.
gosh i am going to miss all the Honda recalls ! 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
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Oh dear, not wishing to put a damper on your new toy but have a read here, not a good recommendation for Hyundai or their dealers, it pays to do some research. :o
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3747477 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3747477)
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I too would have done some research - Hyundai recalls are much worse than Honda - and many of them are safety recalls and in major components (when they say 'structure' that mean a weakness in the build of the car) - such comments as 'front suspension springs can corrode and break, puncturing the tyre' don't actually fill you with confidence either, airbag faults, clutches failing after very small mileage, steering recalls etc. etc. Some models subject to quite serious rusting as well.
Remember 'the sour taste of bad quality far outlasts the sweet taste of low price'.
would be interested how much you get for part-ex on the Hyundai when you trade it in 10 years time.
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should have got the kia rio ;D
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would be interested how much you get for part-ex on the Hyundai when you trade it in 10 years time, if it lasts that long.
Corrected that for you, not exactly known for their longevity. ;D
Funny enough one of my neighbours has just changed his four year old Hyundai i20 for a three year old Jazz, must ask him why when I see him.
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I did lots of research, jd power surveys in Asia was one source, plus Hyundai is now the 4th largest manufacturer must stand for something, plus i have an i10 that has been 100% realiable.
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VOSA site....i20 0 recalls.....jazz 3 ......pages !
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Quote from USA industry website -
“The recall rate could also be an indication of a manufacturer’s risk tolerance or strategy. Some automakers may issue recalls at a higher frequency because they may be more cautious and proactive.”
A lot of recalls are left to manufacturers discretion and conscience, Toyota have got a bulletproof reliability record, but refused to issue a recall on sticking throttle on the Prius in USA until overwhelming evidence made them do it - they now recall cars if there is the slightest whiff of upcoming legal problems and are Americas leading recall company. By the way failing to issue a recall when it is needed is called 'doing a Chrysler' - and Hyundai has had tie-ups with Chrysler.
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VOSA site....i20 0 recalls.....jazz 3 ......pages !
The Jazz is in it's thirteenth year, how long has the i20 been in production ?
I have owned Jazz's for nine years and have been called forward for three recalls in that time, two for the same item the driver's door master window unit and one for a headlight wiring problem.
That doesn't sound horrendous to me.
Vic.
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take no notice bob nothing wrong with Hyundai cars, have you noticed all jazz owners think they have the best car in the world I have had 2 their is other cars just as good if not better to drive the jazz is now looking so outdated its now known as the older persons car [before you all have a go at me I own a jazz and a v.w ] good luck with your new car bob.
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Thanks for taking the time for those kind words my friend.
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...jazz is now looking so outdated its now known as the older persons car...
The Jazz is an unpretentious car that is at top of its class at being an economical, and reliable luggage carrier. So while the bright young things are buying fashionable and stylish Fords, Peugeots, Citroens, Renaults and BMWs, the Jazz will get on quietly with its job of being a car, passing the odd fashion statement broken down by the side of the road or wrapped around the nearest tree/lamp post.
The Jazz isn't for everybody. It's not a status symbol, fashion icon, executive cruiser, or pocket rocket. But if you can look past all that superficiality and look at the core qualities you would need in a car...
...good luck with your new car bob.
Yes... poor old Bob, he might have thought twice about saying goodbye if he had known what passions it would stir up! ;)
I hope he'll be very happy with his Hyundai. I am very happy with my Jazz.
Sayonara Bob!
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A brief history of my 10 years of ownership of the Jazz. The engine has been brilliant......
The rear wheel bearings started to become noisy....took it to main dealer....no...but the brakes need changing....odd to think I had replaced them the year before !
Gained a free full service letter, went to the dealers and was presented with A £520 bill ! I contested and they would not return my keys. I presented the case to trading standards and threatened them with a court action I duly gained a full refund. Whilst it was being serviced I was told the gearbox oil was contaminated and that would be £110.
I replaced the oil myself at a fraction of the cost. Oddly a couple of years later the gearbox has started to whine....
What with the noise of the wheel bearings...please note all this after only 56,000 miles !
I researched the i20 and discovered via NCAP that it's safer than my old jazz and the new jazz.
The car is for my wife I am so pleased she is now safer, her first comments were that she no longer has to have the radio on so loud !
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Probably nothing wrong with Hyundai as a car ...................but ...................
i20 built in India for Asian market, for European market it is built in India and supplied as (CKD) Complete Knock Down kit to Turkey to be assembled and shipped from Turkey as completed. Hyundai and Kia are basically same company, and may as well be called Hyundkai -
One thing about the Jazz is that it is Built in UK supplying jobs and bringing forward the engineering skills base we so badly need here. Its all very fine saving a few quid on a car, but I speak as someone who works in automotive 1st tier supply company making body panels and structural assembles, we don't make any assemblies for anyone outside Europe, and the vast majority of our output goes to Japanese car builders in UK, with some to BMW for the Mini. So if you want your kids to have any kind of job in the future (other than working in MacDonalds for £6.50 / hour) you should support 'Made in Britain'. It does cost more to make cars here, even though British car plants are among the most, if not the most efficient in the world, and some of it is down to our health and safety costs (we care about our workers) and some down to the fact that British workers expect a certain standard of living.
Of course most people on this forum think their Jazz is the best, I have never seen a Honda broken down at roadside (except on that ridiculous AA advert a while ago) - and the Jazz is near top of residuals chart - depends what you want, but if you want Britains economy and prospects to improve, support our home industry - and if they make a great car, well even better (that's why Rover failed - people bought them because they were British, but their build quality was crap - the best Rovers you could get were the ones with Honda engine and powertrain, but when Government sold Rover to BMW (who only ever wanted their 4X4 expertise) Honda stopped supplying those parts).
Of course you should enjoy your new i20 - but in years to come when no-one in UK has a job and are not paying taxes to pay your pension, you may not enjoy it so much.
I hope to see you on this forum again in a few years time giving us all an honest account of any problems you have with the i20 - just so that we can compare.
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http://www.reliabilityindex.com/ (http://www.reliabilityindex.com/)
The Honda Jazz is probably the joint most reliable car on the planet. Fact not opinion. These stats are gleaned from repairs authorised by Warranty Direct.
Hyundai aren't bad either ;)
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My daughter had a Hyundai Getz for 7 years and it was reliable and cheap to run, she has had a Kia Rio for 4 years and that is also been very good. I would seriously consider a Kia Rio as my next car, especially if Honda don't get their act together and put the 3rd Generation Jazz on the market this year. Kia have a 7 year warranty and Hyundai a 5 year warranty and Kia offer a good 3 or 5 year service package.
I agree that the Jazz is probably the most reliable car on the market but unfortunately Honda market share is shrinking and the dealer network also sounds like it is also reducing which is not good news. I always do my home work before buying and so far that has not ruled out Kia and would still like another Jazz.
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My daughter had a Hyundai Getz for 7 years and it was reliable and cheap to run, she has had a Kia Rio for 4 years and that is also been very good. I would seriously consider a Kia Rio as my next car, especially if Honda don't get their act together and put the 3rd Generation Jazz on the market this year. Kia have a 7 year warranty and Hyundai a 5 year warranty and Kia offer a good 3 or 5 year service package.
I agree that the Jazz is probably the most reliable car on the market but unfortunately Honda market share is shrinking and the dealer network also sounds like it is also reducing which is not good news. I always do my home work before buying and so far that has not ruled out Kia and would still like another Jazz.
I agree. Honda's are pretty expensive too. I was gobsmacked when my neighbour told me he had paid nearly £23,000 for his new Civic 1.8 petrol.
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In Britain and maybe Europe as well Honda have been labelled as an old persons car - and that is simply because people with a lot of motoring experience buy them (you cannot be 20 years of age with 40 years experience) - they are not a 'faddy' impulse buy fashion statement like some. In the rest of the world they are seen for what they are adaptable well built cars, for the real world, with bulletproof engines and a bit of performance, people tend to keep them, and they last too long. Honda are a victim of their own high build standards some might say.
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My dad's 55 plate Kia Rio developed a starting problem that was traced to the transponder in the steering column and he was quoted approx. £400 to put right. Dad decided to call it quits on what is a ten year old car that is worth £1200 tops, so he traded it in for a brand new Kia Picanto VR7 under the dealer's own 'scrappage' scheme of a minimum of £2000 p/x. The only other problems since new were a failed ABS sensor last year (unfortunately not spotted before MoT!) and a sticking caliper at five years old.
He's had a number of Hyundais and Kias over the years and all but the Rio (and few minor problems with the R plate Hyundai Atoz+ that were down to early production run niggles) have been reliable, and in fairness the Rio is now almost ten years old and prior to retirement dad bought a new car every three-four years.
The styling of the latest Kia models is spot on and the fit and finish is as good if not better than most European and Japanese competitors. If the latest Kia Rio had a small turbocharged engine like the Fiesta/Polo I'd probably have bought one six months ago. I can't comment on how they drive though and VW/Audi won't lose any sleep over Kia's interiors, but they have seriously raised their game and they are often cheaper than Honda.
Hyundai also appear to be on the up although personally I find their interior and exterior styling a bit messy (but generally more palatable than Ford).
Today I was invited to preview of the new Mazda2 - great looking car but Kia have the edge on perceived quality. And the top model costs £16.5k.
So if you want your kids to have any kind of job in the future (other than working in MacDonalds for £6.50 / hour) you should support 'Made in Britain'.
Isn't the next Jazz going to be made abroad?
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I don't trust reliability index as it favours cheaper cars as cheap car owners less likely to get 3rd party warranty for their cars.their data is based on information from Warranty direct which is a good but slightly pricer 3rd party car Warranty supplier.
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I don't trust reliability index as it favours cheaper cars as cheap car owners less likely to get 3rd party warranty for their cars.their data is based on information from Warranty direct which is a good but slightly pricer 3rd party car Warranty supplier.
But other sources too point to the Jazz being reliable - Which, JD Power.
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So if you want your kids to have any kind of job in the future (other than working in MacDonalds for £6.50 / hour) you should support 'Made in Britain'.
Isn't the next Jazz going to be made abroad?
We've already driven a prototype of the Honda Jazz Hybrid (badged as a Fit), and our photographs show how it will look - although we do expect the UK model to be tuned more specifically for UK roads, and the styling may be revised as well. It's possible that the Jazz will be built in the UK too, as the current model is produced at Honda's Swindon plant.
Read more: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/64660/new-honda-jazz-2015-price-and-release-date#ixzz3Qfc4A3y8 (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/64660/new-honda-jazz-2015-price-and-release-date#ixzz3Qfc4A3y8)
The above is from Auto Express article on New 2015 Jazz - Honda have a policy of building cars near their customers to give local jobs, but if the car sales fall too low obviously any sensible business would review this !!!!!! Japanese big 3 ( Nissan, Toyota, Honda) have been incredibly loyal to UK for a long time now, they set up car plants here even though we were a small island off the coast of Europe because they admired out engineering expertise. Even without Jazz they will still be building cars and engines here, and need supporting. The British consumers and governments seem to be the worlds worst at supporting home industry and the result is the massive decline in our manufacturing we have seen (and government is now trying to bring back LOL good luck with that ! - but it isn't that easy, as the average age of skilled people in UK is now probably 60+ , about the same as farmers, and buying cheap and nasty food abroad has caused our farmers to pack it in and sell the farms for housing or shopping centres) - how many young people would choose either engineering or farming as a career now - given future prospects?