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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: guest4512 on December 31, 2014, 07:19:23 PM
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Just picked up another Jazz, this time an 05 Sport.
When checking out the car, I noticed Wanli S-1200 tyres on both rear corners, Avon on the front, all good tread > 6mm.
I didn't think this Jazz handled as well as my wife's 1.4 se, and I was right to suspect the tyres. I'd felt the back end skipping out once or twice when cornering, and tonight the back end totally gave way doing 25mph in wet conditions on a roundabout.
I'm sure you can guess what the 1st thing is I'm changing.
Stay away from these tyres, they're dangerous.
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thanks for that moob
im due some tyres early next year and generally go for a 'named' brand..
i tend to stay away from budget/cheepo tyres as a rule
thanks again
fatlad
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You're welcome mate.
I'm going for Dunlop or Michelin as a replacement. It's worth the money for the longevity and grip in premium tyres.
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I would suggest that you check the age of the tyres. My daughter has a 52 reg Yaris that spun round 180 degrees on a roundabout, and she was very shocked. I then took her car out for a drive and did the same thing on a different roundabout, albeit at a slow speed. I took the car straight to our local tyre fitters who checked the tyres out and they swapped the rear tyres to the front, and took it out for a test drive, and now the front was losing grip.
The faulty tyres had lots of tread left, but were 9 years old and probably original tyres, as the car had approx 38,000 miles on it. The rubber on the tyres hardens and loses its grip as it ages.
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I strongly doubt these tyres are old, the walls looked fine, cars done 77k and has a full service history, guys just bought cheap tyres to get it through the last MOT. I've read quite a few reports of these tyres being really poor, especially in the wet.
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def stick to the mitchelins they are the best for long life
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The tyres are the only things keeping you from ending up buried in a ditch, do not compromise this by saving a few quid on crappy unknown tyres, always go for the top brands Michelin/Dunlop/Pirelli etc.
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Check the manufacturer date on the sidewall:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11)
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http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Wanli/S1063.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Wanli/S1063.htm)
lot of bad reviews on this site - some good as well, but overall impression is that they are a budget tyre so don't expect too much from them. Quite a few say OK in dry but not so good in wet, one reviewer said when tread got down to 4mm they became lethal on wet surfaces.
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Couldn't find the date on one tyre, the other I think was 2006, so quite old.
Doesn't change anything, gonna get rid.
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Wanlis are know as "ditchfinders" :-X
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you cant go wrong with michelin or pirelli (other brands of tyres are available)
my last tyres were michelins and were only a fiver dearer than budgets (offered nangkangs or something sounding similar)
so for me its a 'no brainer'
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you cant go wrong with michelin or pirelli (other brands of tyres are available)
my last tyres were michelins and were only a fiver dearer than budgets (offered nangkangs or something sounding similar)
so for me its a 'no brainer'
Last August had to replace a front tyre. I paired it with the nearly new Conti already on that axle. I paid £92 for the tyre via a Black Circles offer.
Ditchfinders were about £80.
As fatlad says - no brainer.
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Looking at replacement tyres just now - you can get a blackcircles ditchfinder for 28 quid, and a Dunlop for 57, plus fitting.
I'm undecided between Dunlop, yokohama and good year.
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A good site to look for tyres is Asda tyres online. They have a good selection of tyres at various prices with the information on fuel efficiency, noise etc clearly laid out for each tyre. Fitting is done at your nearest Halfords Auto Centre.
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As my Jazz 1.4 EX has 16 inch wheels and having read about the prices for this size tyre, I decided to do some comparisons. What has surprised me is the different ratings modern tyres are given. Michelin Energy might be amongst the dearest but they have a Fuel rating of C and a grip in the wet of A Decibles are 68.
Just look at some of the other tyres Most have a fuel rating of E and a grip C.
Not much between thy and and that ditch except them tyres. Nearly all the other 'expensive' tyres are the same Fuel E and grip C.
There are not many tyres available in this size so I am saving in my piggy bank as I think it will be Micheliins.
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I had a couple of Chinese no-name tyres on the front of the Jazz. Needless to say they only stayed on long enough for the Michelins to turn up.
If the wallet doesn't stretch to premium tyres like Michelins, at least go for mid-brand tyres and try to stick with the same all round. It'll at least behave with some sort of predictablity then. Sir Mix-A-Lot may have had a hit with "Baby Got Back", but the same with tyres is a big miss. ;D
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Yeah, I'm going premium with the replacement.
Got a wheel bearing knackered as well.
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Michelin tyres have 'high silica' rubber compound, which I believe they first used in their motorbike tyres, which gives better grip and more flexible tread and sidewalls, and also hard wearing and quiet. Wanli tyres are probably recycled bean sprouts, water chestnuts and Tofu with a dash of soy sauce to give them colour.
The original Japanese Bridgestone and Yokohama tyres of 60's as fitted to Jap motorbikes and cars were made of a strange low friction plastic compound, were lethal in the wet and hard wearing - but the reason for that was that Japanese roads were covered with a much grippier surface than our roads are, a bit like the shell grit found on approaches to road islands in UK (in Japan maybe made from volcanic ash from mount Fuji). Just shows that what you need are tyres made for the road conditions in each country, rather than shipping tyres halfway around the world from countries where the conditions (heat, cold, rain road surface etc.) may be entirely different.
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michelin all round on mine..
stick to makes you know best..
there really isn't much difference money wise...
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Our local el-cheapo tyre dealer says that is one brand they stay away from. The MIF issued a bulletin a few years back warning about delamination of Wanli tyres in the extreme heat (a game reserve where it is 50 deg in the shade and a rough gravel road)
Another dodgy brand is ROGOR and also APEXTYRE
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Ours had 2 Duran 185/65/15 and 1 Dunlop 175/65/15 and 1 yoki 175/65/15 when we looked at it. The Dunlop and yoki were worn but the Duran still have tread. Got them to replace the worn ones with 2 new yoki 175/65/15 as part of the purchase deal. I have then replaced the Durans with matching Yokis to the other 2 as I have never heard of Duran tires before. I have learnt my lesson with cheap tires, its not worth it
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hey Andrewbuch
you mean you had Duran Duran on your car??
thats awesome!!!
haha
(ill get mi coat)!!!
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Thanks for the heads up on these tyres. Tyres are too important not to spend time researching before buying and although most people automatically stick with the big brands for confidence and reliability, it is sometimes refreshing when you find a relatively unknown brand actually performing as good as the top brands.
I remember about 10 years ago I was searching for tyres for my EP3 and in doing so I came across a brand that was relatively unheard of but had very good reviews. But it was half the price of the top brands, so I gave them a shot and was very pleasantly surprised. So although I would still prefer something from the big brands, I wouldn't discount the lesser known brands without researching first, particularly if I was on a budget.
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Thanks for the heads up on these tyres. Tyres are too important not to spend time researching before buying and although most people automatically stick with the big brands for confidence and reliability, it is sometimes refreshing when you find a relatively unknown brand actually performing as good as the top brands.
I remember about 10 years ago I was searching for tyres for my EP3 and in doing so I came across a brand that was relatively unheard of but had very good reviews. But it was half the price of the top brands, so I gave them a shot and was very pleasantly surprised. So although I would still prefer something from the big brands, I wouldn't discount the lesser known brands without researching first, particularly if I was on a budget.
Mate, I don't think you've got the idea behind the thread, it's the exact opposite of budget tyres being good, they're not and are generally a false economy.
Wanli tyres from my present experience, are basically dangerous.
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I think SuperCNJ does get the idea moob.
We'd all like premium tyres if we could afford it. There are also some non-premium brands that are worth a shot.
If you haven't heard of them then my advice would be to check out
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/ (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/)
and see what is said about them. Or even just Google the brand and see what come up.
As you can see on tyrereviews.co.uk , there are four groupings:
Premium
Mid range
Economy
Budget
There are some rubbish European tyres in that lot too.
I think we're agreed that "Budget" brands by those above grouping are almost universally awful.
"Economy" tyres can be a mixed bag. I picked up a set a wheels for one of my cars (a V343) that had Maxxis (Cheng Shin Rubber Co also known to motorcyclists as Chin Shiners ;D ) on the rims, so I thought I'd try them out. They're not bad.
So the advice to do some homework on lesser known brands is worthwhile.
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Ah well, I'm lost then.
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Thanks for the heads up on these tyres. Tyres are too important not to spend time researching before buying and although most people automatically stick with the big brands for confidence and reliability, it is sometimes refreshing when you find a relatively unknown brand actually performing as good as the top brands.
I remember about 10 years ago I was searching for tyres for my EP3 and in doing so I came across a brand that was relatively unheard of but had very good reviews. But it was half the price of the top brands, so I gave them a shot and was very pleasantly surprised. So although I would still prefer something from the big brands, I wouldn't discount the lesser known brands without researching first, particularly if I was on a budget.
Mate, I don't think you've got the idea behind the thread, it's the exact opposite of budget tyres being good, they're not and are generally a false economy.
Wanli tyres from my present experience, are basically dangerous.
Mate, I do understand the idea behind the thread, I'm not disputing what you claim. I'm just saying that not all budget tyres are rubbish - although most probably are. I had an experience with one budget tyre which out performed the OEM tyres I had so just giving a balanced view on the subject.
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Ok, got you now.
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Update:
Got 2 new Dunlop BluResponse fitted today, and the difference was immediately noticeable, more grip despite not even been run in.
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great news moob
and i bet they wasn't much dearer than budgets
i like to stick to Michelin personally ..
glad you got sorted
fatlad
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great news moob
and i bet they wasn't much dearer than budgets
i like to stick to Michelin personally ..
glad you got sorted
fatlad
I normally buy Michelin, but the Dunlop were rated in reviews and we're 13 quid a corner cheaper.
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Some of the second brands of major companies are also a good buy.
Fulda, well thought of in Germany are a Goodyear/Dunlop company, and perform well.
Barum, Uniroyal and Semperit are part of Continental. Kleber are part of Michelin, as are BF Goodrich and Tigar and Riken.