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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Hybrid Mk2 2011-2015 => Topic started by: guest5045 on October 06, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
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Just joined. Thinking of suggesting a used hybrid for my wife. The reviews aren't necessarily spectacular, largely I have found on cost, because they always want to say there are cheaper more/as economical hatchbacks. Everyone seems to miss my most relevant requirement -it must be an automatic. Show me the small automatic hatchback over two years old that has low emissions and good economy. Well yes - the Skoda Citigo and its equivalents but you have the ASG gearbox which every review I have read says it is almost unusable. So the reviews miss the point. There might just be a Polo with a DSG box but too new and too expensive.
Anyway, she rarely drives more than 30 miles, mostly around a not too congested town (that would knock the diesel figures right down) and the size is about right. She currently has a top of the range 03 1.4sve Micra CVT which has been and is outstanding. If Nissan still made one with good mpg and emissions there would be no problem, but they don't!
Of course a plug-in Jazz would be spot on!
Anyway my only real concern is that if I buy a two year old one what is the residual likely to be when the battery warranty has run out in 6 years time? How much is a new one or can it be regenerated? She tends to keep good cars a long time!
Thanks , Dave.
P.S Can we cut out the ageist remarks. I've done 600,000 miles without an accident (regretting saying that!) and my wife has never had one and we are in our early sixties :D (I await for the caused a few though ;) )
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I have just bought a 2011 Hybrid HX in white.
My wife an I have come from Lexus and find the Jazz, great particularly for mpg
The hybrid seems to sit better on the road (compared to non hybrid test drives) due to the extra weight of the batteries.
At 3 years old most of the depreciation has been knocked out of the car.
We looked at alternatives but small things like the space, the leather, folding mirrors, pano roof make the Yaris and others less attractive to us.
I am not worried about battery warranty as there are several about with over 100k miles
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. . . and mine is one of them 122,000 miles in 3 years, so far it has just needed a new battery which we think is caused by a damaged battery cell, that was damaged by the developers speed bumps on the development that we live on, £96. Not bad for the mileage.
I regularly do 300 miles a day as a driving instructor, and of course most of the driving is done by learners and manoeuvres etc. In the past my cars have only lasted to around 80k before major components need replacing, so the Jazz Hybrid is standing up well.
Go for it !
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x 2 for what Ozzie said.
Early 60's, not old enough for a Jazz!
I potter around from patient to patient, carry walking frames and other equipment and get mid 50's mpg. Very relaxing and easy to drive. My car is an NHS lease, but I would genuinely spend my own cash on one (sorry, have to sit down, the word 'spend' does that to me!) the hybrid is a seriously good car, despite what 20-something motor journalists think.
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Thanks for the encouragement. Just deciding on a new deal or a couple of year old one now. On a slightly different tack with motoring journalists they are obsessed with "handling". For me that means bumpy, noisy ride. Fell into the trap when choosing a family hatch for my daughter. Narrowed it down to an Ibiza ST which is the estate version to get the bigger boot. Everything looked good low emissions, high mpg. good space etc. test drove one seemed ok. But my daughter being an Essex girl wanted a sporty looking white one. She got a cracking looking one but we didn't realise that the "sportrider" tag wasn't just the looks. Extra thin tyres, big wheels, rock hard suspension = almost undriveable bumpy noisy ride. Great for a rally - no good for a young family - doh!
Dave
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As another Jazz Hybrid owner I would comment that it is a very pleasant vehicle to drive. Gear changes are almost unnoticeable.
The MPG isn't as good as I had hoped for with only around 10% better than a non-hybrid (but manual) Jazz I owned previously but with the cost difference second hand compared with a 2011 onwards (ie CVT) normal Hazz then it would be a good choice.
I would also clarify that Ozzie's battery (mentioned above) that needed replacing is the little one under the bonnet and not the big one under the boot. Honda seem to have set up very conservative operating rules for the big battery - I've only once seen the charge level in mine drop to below half. This will, no doubt, help the battery longevity but also reduces the potential MPG gain.
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Thanks John, yep its the battery under the bonnet.
The battery itself was £62.50, there was also a battery check, £17.50, plus £16 vat, £96 in total.
We're all good again.
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Moving forwards slowly - see above!
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Hi There,
Not sure what you mean by "(that would knock the diesel figures right down)". I had a Peugeot 205 diesel for many years and it returned 50mpg however I drove it and wherever I drove it. Short journeys, long journeys, motorways flat out, in town going slowly: It made no difference. Living in London, the big advantage I found with a diesel was that it got 50mpg for the shortest of journeys. No warm up time needed.
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I had a lot of diesels and they were all great cars. However, the complexity and potential issues would make me very wary of getting a modern oil burner. Also, the dpf and turbos mean that short journeys don't do the engines any good. Shame, all because of the EU and its obsession with co2.
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I am also seriously considering getting a 2/3 year old Jazz Hybrid. My current CVT Jazz which I have owned for the last 11 years will stay in the family. I drove loads of other company cars whilst I owned the Jazz ( one's I bought ) and never thought to sell the Jazz. On purely economic terms it makes no sense to change it..
I drove an Insight for a couple of days 2 weeks ago and I was very disappointed with it. Loads of techie gizmos but vague steering and not all that good fuel consumption put me off. The car felt heavy and underpowered.
So the question is; how does the Hybrid compare against the old CVT 1.4 Jazz?
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Here is an Honest John road test - seems a pretty balanced review as he doesn't seem to have the normal anti-Honda-pro-anything-German bias that most motoring journalists have.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/jazz-hybrid-2011/?section=road-test (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/jazz-hybrid-2011/?section=road-test)
I know exactly what you mean about not making economic sense to get rid of an older car, the plus side is that you know exactly how it has been looked after and what has been done to it, rather than trading it in and getting nothing for it against a car you know nothing about except what the salesman tells you.
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I test drove a 3 year old hybrid Jazz in October last year. Much quieter and better handling than my Jazz (revised suspension and more sound proofing). Went well.
Recommended.
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The Hybrid system gives a very modest boost to the mpg (around 10% in my experience) due to the low capacity battery but the motor gives a useful boost to the power, particularly at lower revs, resulting in a very smooth driving experience.
I don't recognise the high engine noise feature noted in the Honest John review. Rarely do I find the engine needs to exceed 3000 rpm unless I need to push very hard with the right foot whereupon the engine opens some more valves, delivers a lot more power and does make more noise.
One disadvantage of the hybrid is that you lose the cavity in the boot where you could put a spare wheel if you like to carry one as better backup than the provided gunk.
The economics of the hybrid look better with age as the prices converge with the non-hybrid versions. Probably the only member here, Ozzie, who is well past 100,000 miles, has found the saving in fuel cost sufficient to justify the extra investment when buying new. I have to comfort myself with getting the smoother performance although I had hoped that I would see more like 20% improvement in the fulel consumption relative to the 58 reg manual Jazz ES I had previously.
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My experience with a 2014 Jazz Hybrid. It is a 3 year NHS lease, and was around £10 cheaper a month than an equivalent non-hybrid Jazz would have been, plus less tax. I wanted a new Jazz to replace my pink peril, as the magic seats make my job much easier, getting walking frames and equipment in and out. Whilst our blue 1.2 S was being replaced, I spent some time looking at a hybrid at the dealer and decided I would try it. Delightful, so I was hooked.
It arrived last May, Milano red, 7miles on the clock, by transporter at 0630, to a certain amount of curtain twitching in the close. I hadn't driven an auto for a few years, but from the start the cvt was a joy to use and as I have become more used to it, it is a perfect match to the hybrid power train, providing a relaxed and easy drive along with a distinct nip if required. I seldom use more than 1500 revs around town and the estates, and as John mentioned above I can cruise at 70 at no more than 3000 revs, so quiet and relaxed. I seldom use the M25 for more than 1 or 2 junctions at a time, but I can think of no more relaxed cruiser for a M25 commute. However, for the sporty among us, I have to say this is no sports car!
The lease takes care of all maintenance costs, insurance etc., all I have to pay for is fuel. These are my fuel costs since I have owned the car. You decide if it you think it is good value, I am very pleased with the costs. The majority of my journeys are quite short, 1-3 miles with the odd dog leg of 5-10 miles for patients in outer areas. Some longer journeys say 50-100 miles infrequently. Most visits are around an hour, so this weather it is cold when I start to drive to the next visit.
21/5/14 arrived. 7miles, full tank
19/1/15 6408 miles full tank
643.1litres /141.6 gallons
Total fuel spend £760.58
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If my Maths are correct thats about 45mpg considering the type of driving you are doing I would say thas is a very very good figure
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Yes, I am happy with the running costs. I suppose I had hoped for better than 50 mpg as a hybrid, but probably not going to happen with my usage pattern. I think that with a different type of use the mpg would be much more impressive. I am sure that there are cars out there that would give me a few more mpg's but when all the positives are factored in, it is a great little car. I really cannot stress how nice it is to drive, at least for my type of driving.
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Yes, I am happy with the running costs. I suppose I had hoped for better than 50 mpg as a hybrid, but probably not going to happen with my usage pattern. I think that with a different type of use the mpg would be much more impressive. I am sure that there are cars out there that would give me a few more mpg's but when all the positives are factored in, it is a great little car. I really cannot stress how nice it is to drive, at least for my type of driving.
yes there are lots of cars that claim 60mpg including other hybrids and I am sure you would get that on a run of 200mls at 60mph
But your pattern is almost the worst possible for economy and there would be very few compact petrol automatics hybrid or not that would match it
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Just for a giggle . . . . apart from items changed at scheduled servicing, brakes, tyres, wipers etc. My jazz has required a new engine battery £96, and a sidelight bulb (that I couldn't access) £5, a grand total of £101 in 3.5 years and 139,000 miles and I was told by a fellow driving instructor that his Hyundai had impressively got to 55,000 miles with an original starter motor . . . . BANG . . . shot down my friend :D :D :D
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yes there are lots of cars that claim 60mpg including other hybrids and I am sure you would get that on a run of 200mls at 60mph
But your pattern is almost the worst possible for economy and there would be very few compact petrol automatics hybrid or not that would match it
I've averaged 58 mpg (based on actual fuel used) in my Jazz hybrid because I try to minimise the town driving (walking is more pleasant and better exercise) so the majority of the mileage is on the open roads, preferably non-motorway. However, I recently had to do a bunch of < 5 mile local trips after a refill and the indicated mpg was around 41 mpg (so the actual is likely to be worse still).
Engines are fuel guzzlers until they are up to temperature which is why I think the possibility of a 3 cylinder turbo engine (so less to warm up) combined with a more power IMA system could be a useful improvement. We should soon know what Honda proposes to introduce in Europe.
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Don't get a BMW i8 Plug-in Hybrid - Just watched the test on Top Gear - BMW claim something like 135mpg for it (and it's a sports car) - is exempt from road tax and congestion charges - has a 3 cylinder turbo petrol engine and can hit 155MPH, carries a heavy battery pack (good for only about 20 miles) and front wheels driven by electric motor, rear wheels by engine - funnily enough battery does not get charged by engine in ECO mode / only in sport mode - did anyone really believe it would get over 100miles a gallon ?
Well Clarkson got 30mpg average - how are BMW allowed to claim 130mpg ? did they stop every 15 miles and plug in the battery - that's the thing with plug-in hybrids - they use electricity generated by coal or natural gas at 40% efficiency by power stations, which drops to less than 20% efficiency by the time it's been through the battery and electric motor systems - zero emissions at the tailpipe but horrendously low efficiency and still pumping out emissions at the power station. These plug-in hybrid nonsensical MPG claims really are all smoke and rose-tinted mirrors and it's about time manufacturers had to publish proper real life mpg figures and not some contrived figure.
the car has a tiny 32 litre petrol tank (7 gallons) so you would be lucky to get much over 300 miles on a full charge and a full tank.
below is comment from The Auto Express test -
Thanks to its plug-in petrol-electric powerplant, the i8 claims a remarkable 134.5mpg and CO2 emissions of 49g/km. Of course, these figures are only really achievable if you charge the BMW’s batteries once a day and the majority of your journeys can be completed within the 22 mile electric range.
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Here's a good article about the deficiencies of the EU testing http://www.economist.com/news/business/21636063-efficiency-european-cars-much-about-trickery-technology-fuels-paradise (http://www.economist.com/news/business/21636063-efficiency-european-cars-much-about-trickery-technology-fuels-paradise).
Daimler, BMW and Ford are much better than rivals at beating the real-world figures.
The European Commission wants to introduce a new test by 2017 that more accurately mirrors real driving. Carmakers in Germany and France are pressing their governments to delay the measure.
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It all goes to prove you can fool some of the people all of the time.
If we were US consumers , we could have a joint lawsuit and become millionaires.....
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I looked at the Vauxhall Ampera, which claimed some daft 235mpg, http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/ampera/index.html, (http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/ampera/index.html,) now in my opinion that means if its got a 7 gallon tank, you only fill up every 1600 miles . . . . apparently not, it means you top up every 360 miles as thats the range in perfect conditions.
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I was talking with one of the engineers today at a company I visited and he has had a Civic 1.6 i-DTEC and is very happy with it, and he does get over 60 mpg on his 'real life' daily commute, used to put about £55 fuel in every week, now he puts about £28 (I know fuel price has come down about 20% over last few months, but that still means consumption is at least 30% better than his last car).
I am not a fan of Diesels, but over 60mpg in real life driving is pretty damn good, wonder how long the turbo and DPF will last though ::) modern Diesels are very complicated bits of kit, and expensive to fix.
Consumption of i-DTEC would be even better in Jazz with less weight to lug around.
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I have had my hybrid - the top of the range version - for three years and am very pleased with it. I only potter around and usually manage mid-fifties mpg.
But on a trip to London - I live in the north-west -I managed 64mpg and most of that trip was on motorways.
Highly recommended.
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Deva is that an HS-T? with the sat nav? only being envious :-) Since I had the start clutch fixed on my 2003 Jazz with 1.4 CVT I am now getting 50mpg on mixed urban/distance driving. I think I will still go for a petrol/electric hybrid rather than diesel when I replace my current car. If we stay in the EU they are going to try and kill off diesels.... Which if you do a lot of town driving and short trips does make some sense.
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Hybrids used mmmm, now how much will that battery run the next owner?
Cars are for driving enjoyment, hence our ownership of a 1992 Legacy Turbo and a Jazz Ex
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Philjazz, no there is no satnav unfortunately. I wasn't aware any Jazz had a satnav. Honda are a bit mean with their toys.
Deva
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You can get sat nav with the HS -T version Deva :'(
http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/13-ima-auto-hs_t_8048280/equipment#equipment (http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/13-ima-auto-hs_t_8048280/equipment#equipment)
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One needs to balance the convenience of a built-in sat-nav with the difficulty / cost of getting mapping updates for it. I hope Honda have addressed this aspect in the new models.
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Agreed. I had difficulty doing that with a used BMW, couldn't get any new maps from BM. But I still have an ancient Tom Tom Go and as I use that as a "scrolling-map", and not as a sat nav, it still works. Albeit on new roads I am apparently in the middle of a field ;D
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Built in satnav can be a very mixed blessing - car makers like to use the screen for other things as well like reversing cameras and ICE, bluetooth phone etc - but when it comes time to get software or mapping updates they charge like the proverbial wounded bull.
At least with a separate satnav you can use in other vehicles and on foot if needed, and more people are using their phone as a satnav anyway. Now we have faster internet it makes sense to buy downloaded lifetime updates for your Satnav for about £50 one-off payment, usually updated 4 times a year and they now take an hour rather than half a day to download - and regular device firmware updates are available and included in the one off price.
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There's a bloke on Honda Karma who's just taken delivery of a 2015 Jazz mk3 imported from Japan.
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i bought my partner kath a 62 plate hybrid jazz in feb 15 and she loves it ,far better than the 13 plate cvt micra she had before, my only issue with the jazz is being able to use it in ev mode,once your in ev mode it doesn't stay in ev mode for long i feel if you blew on the accelerator pedal it would come out of ev mode and back into petrol it is that sensitive,but saying that she only does short round town journeys and the jazz returns around 48 mpg
so mpg wise its great ,and only £10 / year road tax its a win win situation so go and buy one.