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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: guest855 on April 10, 2009, 11:23:59 PM
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I own a 30 month old Jazz(1400) which has been regularly serviced - last service august 2008. Yesterday the oil warning light came on and the AA had to put in 3 and a quater litres of oil and could find no obvious leak or fault. Is this level of consumption normal or is there an underlying problem.
TIA
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3 and 1/4 litres???
Thats almost the refill capacity! which is 3.6 litres
This is definitely not normal as Honda engines that are looked after don't use oil in my experience
Definitely needs to be looked at to see where all that oil has gone as that's virtually the whole sump
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How many miles have you covered since the last service?
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I agree this is very suspicious. Our Jazz uses no oil at all after 21000 miles
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I only do maximum 5000 miles a year and since the last inspection it is about 3500 miles - perhaps that is why I am using so much oil? Checked the water today and no oil is getting into this. No oil on garage floor and no black exhaust. It has definately gone down since the AA put such a huge amount in. I am now checking in on a daily basis.
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forgot to mention too that last annual inspection they changed the sparkplugs and oil on a car with circa 10,000 miles. Could this be relevant?
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If there is no evidence of physical oil loss, then the engine must be burning the oil. One likely explanation could be with the valve stem oil seals given your car isn't high mileage. Unlikely to be a problem with crankcase ventilation system, but not impossible.
It's unlikely the garage would have put the wrong grade of oil in the car.
Unfortunately, all car makers assume that up to 1 litre consumption of oil per 1000 miles is regarded as 'normal'.
Have you owned the car since New?
Did you ever monitor the oil level prior to the last service?
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If the oil is getting past the valve stem seals and being burnt you will see a fair bit of blue smoke out of the exhaust when you start the car, but it is unusual to lose a lot of oil by this route. A black coating inside the end of exhaust pipe will show a rich mixture of petrol to air and this sometimes happens on cars only used for short runs, burning oil does not normally result in a black coating inside the exhaust pipe but may leave an oily film. The main reason engines use a lot of oil (apart from leaks) is when the bore or rings are badly worn and oil is left on the cylinder bore, again you will see this as blue exhaust smoke. When you rev the engine black smoke is petrol, blue smoke is oil.
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Boatman, I have only just noticed how old the car is. If still under three years get it back to Honda garage NOW before warranty expires and tell them something is seriously wrong here.
All the above answers are possibilities but bottom line is no modern petrol car should be using this amount of oil. You sometimes get it on high mileage engines when one or more of the above have happened but get it investigated NOW before it becomes your problem post-warranty!!
Good luck.
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many thanks - I will check the warranty to see if still covered
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I'm very happy with oil consumption. On my third Jazz now, 07 plate with 38,000 miles on and never had to top up the oil between 12,500 services.
Unlike some other (non Honda) models whose oil consumption nearly matches petrol consumption!
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My Civic diesel consumed a fair amount of oil in the first 4,000 miles. This was the only car I've had to top-up the oil between servces.
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the local honda dealer said that consuming 1 litre/5000 km is normal
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i checked the oil level today and i was surprised.the last oil change was 1500 km ago and now the oil level is half a centimeter above the lower dot on the dipstick,so some of the oil is missing.i looked under the car and at the oil filter and i saw no obvious leaks.mainly the car being a taxi ,is used for short trips around town and extensive idleing.could this be the cause for the oil consumption?i also looked at the smoked coming out of the exhaust while someone was reving the engine and it was neither black nor blue.tommorrow i'l go to the garage where i last changed the oil to have them look under the car for leaks
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I've heard from several different sources that modern cars 'use' oil and its not uncommon, if not expected that you should need top top up between services. I always doubted this as i have never had to top up any of my cars.
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I do a fair mileage in my Jazz 1.4SE (350+ miles a week), change the oil twice a year (around May and September), and never have to top up oil between changes.
I use Castrol Magnatec 10W40 in Summer and 5W40 in Winter. As a personal preference I always add molyslip to oil as it helps with cold-start wear.
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After telephoning Honda support I was advised to take the car for an oil pressure check. The garage then telephoned to say that a replacement short engine was to be fitted under warranty. I collected it today and I am told that the problem lay with the piston oil control rings. There are two rings, and apparently each has a notch or gap to facilitate fitting. These gaps must not be aligned or else oil can enter the combustion chamber. They were aligned in my engine which has been slowly burning oil. The work was carried out without charge and I have in the end been very impressed with the service. I believe that a repair could have been made without an entirely new short engine, but Honda's instructions were to change it.
Many thanks to all who responded.
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I use Castrol Magnatec 10W40 in Summer and 5W40 in Winter. As a personal preference I always add molyslip to oil as it helps with cold-start wear.
My local Branch of Tesco supermarket are selling Castrol Magnatec 10W-40 at £16 for 4 litres, £7 pounds off usual price. Offer ends early September
It may be worth checking Asda for the same, I notice they tend to shadow each other in such promotions
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as i said in another post "a friend mechanic changed an o-ring seal at the end of the camshaft".that o-ring was worn and oil was getting past it.now that the o-ring was changed i topped with oil and after aprox.1300 km about 500 grams of oil was missing. :( :(the engine is not burning oil for the exhaust smoke is not blue!does anybody have any suggestions?
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narcis, do you live in a hot country - if you do you may need to use a slightly heavier oil, consult your handbook to see if any info there.
If you think oil is leaking you could try the old trick of putting clean sheet of paper under your engine when it is parked overnight in your garage (or cardboard weighted down with stones if the car is parked outside) - if there are any oil stains on in the morning, this should help localise the leak to a certain area of the engine.
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i live in romania.hot summers and -25C winters.a few days ago i changed the oil to castrol magnatec 10w-40.until then i used mobil1 5w-40,and mobil1 5w-50.i'll let you know when a get to 1000km from the oil change how things developed with the magnatec.
i use the jazz as a taxi,mainly for short runs around town.does this have anything to do with oil consumption?