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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: guest1370 on September 15, 2011, 12:32:14 PM
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I'm very disappointed that neither a full/temporary spare wheel was supplied as standard when I purchased my Jazz 1.4 EX Manual. The temporary repair system and associated air pump and aerosol fluid are almost impossible to use in practice, necessitating calling out the AA etc, and is only effective for very small punctures. Your tyre cannot be repaired as normal, so you end up having to buy a replacement at your Honda dealer. However, Honda would like you to purchase their own temporary spare wheel at an exorbitant £200 approx!
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I believe its all to do with weigh saving.
For the £200 odd, you not only get the spare wheel but a complete "kit" but this will do away with the "extra" storage space in the boot well (the bit where you can lift the board up and have 3 different settings)
I too would prefer a spare tyre in the boot well, but if you think about it, I never actually had to use mine in any of my previous 4 cars I've own. i guess its more of a security thing in that you have a spare wheel in the boot but how often would we actually need it?
Gary
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i just bought one from honda £175
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I had to use mind 3 times in 18 months I spoke to honda when I bought the car , they said it was down to weight a load rubbish its down to cost .I have a 1400 EX it cost me nearly £300 for tyres in 18 months due to unrepairable punctures.
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Don't s'pose a proper wheel will fit under the load base? Have a second set for winter tyres & was going to bung one of the summer tyre/wheels under there if it fits. Can't try for myself as haven't got the car yet. :(
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Yes.Even a 16inch standard alloy size wheel from an EX, complete with full size 185/55R16 tyre will fit in the wheel well ,leaving the boot floor flat.There is still room inside the wheel well for sundry tools etc.You will need the 79mm bolt and the two sided[fullsize and spacesaver] washer to retain the complete wheel.
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Magic!! ;D Will sort out the bolt & washer once I have the car, available from Honda parts peeps?
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I'm looking at getting an alloy spare wheel rather than a space saver, but by having a Hybrid, there is no wheel well in the boot, so I will store it in the boot just in case a pupil kerbs the wheel prior to a test which will cost me a lot more than the £200 cost of a wheel.
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Troutfly,Were your £300 tyres 'unrepairable' due to your use of the gunk supplied with the car or was the puncture damage too severe?I now have a full size spare wheel for my EX Jazz as I am not sure that all the UK tyre stockists have the unusual size [185/55R16] in stock.
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It down to cost , think about the £'s saved by Honda...oh hang on not seen any 61 reg cars locally N West or when nipping around SW Scotland last week.
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I asked for a SpacerSaver etc and got one free when I bought my second Jazz. (The first already had one!)
Regarding punctures, they're largely a thing of the past for me. I would never get a puncture repaired these days as there are only four footprint sized areas of contact to the road and I want them to be in the best possible condition.
I did pick up a screw in my front offside tyre a few months back. Tyre didn't deflate and I just got a new tyre fitted.
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No Bucksfizz. I didn't use the gunk a tyre dealer told me it is a specialist job to clean the cr!!!!!! out of the tyre, My three tyres i had to replace I had to wait two day's for special order.
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There is a business opportunity for someone to supply spare wheels and tyres to Jazz GE owners. Some time ago I was considering an Audi A2 but ruled it out due to the lack of spare tyre.
Although in 2009 I bought a Jazz ES which came with no spare or space saver, although I knew this before I bought I have never really been comfortable with not having a spare.
Two weeks after taking delivery of my previous car a new Peugeot 307 I had to have a new tyre fitted because a screw caused a puncture, at least I had a spare at the time.
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I delayed for over a year before buying a space saver wheel for my Jazz last month. Price £153.76 inc. fitting.
Try as I could I couldn't forget the tyre on my last car, a Honda CRV, which exploded with a bang as I left the M23 going south. Earlier, on the M25, we'd driven over a small amount of shattered glass and I suppose had picked up a splinter which 50 miles or so later had worked its way through the tyre tread. No way would spray gunge (according to my computer's dictionary gunge is 'a sticky, viscous, and unpleasantly messy material') have been at all helpful.
Out of sight but not out of mind it's comforting to know that there's a spare wheel under the boot floor.
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Hi Geofffc
Did you buy the spare from a Honda dealer ?
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I bought a second hand, unused (the only way I would buy one) spacesaver for my EX. The wheel had never been fitted on a car.
I didn't want to use the TRK as you always need a new tyre. Lots of other manufacturers are going down this route too...and it's all down to cost at our expense.
Had to use the spare once as I had a puncture. The only issue I found is that the VSA light illuminated with a spacesaver fitted. Once the repaired tyre and wheel was put on all fine again.
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Yes. From Holden Honda Norwich.
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As a space saver is no good for driving test purposes, I thought I would enquire along the lines of purchasing another alloy wheel, however I have been quoted £360 just for the wheel :o :o
I am now thinking that the Corsa wheels are the same dimensions so it looks like a steel Corsa wheel will be the answer.
Oz
PS All these wheel stud patterns seem compatible, although the widths are not mentioned:
AUDI 4000 79-84 4X100 57.1
AUDI 4000S 76-84 4X100 57.1
AUDI COUPE 79-84 4X100 57.1
AUDI FOX 76-84 4X100 57.1
AUDI QUATTRO 80 <87 4X100 57.1
AUDI QUATTRO 90 <87 13 4X100 57.1
BMW 3 Series E30 86-91 4X100 15-20 72.6
DAEWOO CIELO 4X100
DAEWOO ESPERO 4X100 38-42 56.5
DAEWOO LANOS 4X100 38-42 56.5
DAEWOO KALOS 4X100
DAEWOO NEXIA 4X100 38-42 56.5
DAEWOO NUBIRA 4X100 38-42 56.5
DAIHATSU APPLAUSE 4X100 38 56
DAIHATSU CHARADE 4X100 38 56
DAIHATSU CUOR 4X100
DAIHATSU MOVE 4X100 38 56
DAIHATSU PYZAR 4X100
DAIHATSU SIRION 4X100
DAIHATSU YRV 4X100
FORD FESTIVA 94-00 4X100
FORD LASER 90> 4X100
HOLDEN ASTRA 88> 4X100
HOLDEN BARINA 94> 4X100
HOLDEN CALIBRA NA 4X100
HOLDEN COMBO VAN 96> 4X100 38-45 56.6
HOLDEN NOVA 4X100
HOLDEN VIVA 4X100
HONDA ACCORD <89 4X100
HONDA CITY 4X100
HONDA CIVIC 4X100
HONDA CRX 4X100
HONDA INTEGRA 4X100
HONDA JAZZ 4X100
HONDA PRELUDE 86-91 4X100 56.1
HYUNDAI ACCENT 00> 4X100
HYUNDAI GETZ 02> 4X100 35-45 54.1
KIA MENTOR 94> 4X100 35-42 67.1
KIA SHUMA 94> 4X100 35-42 67.1
KIA RIO 00> 4X100 35-42 54.1
KIA SHUMA 4X100
KIA SEPHIA 94> 4X100 56.1
KIA SPECTRA 94> 4X100 56.1
MAZDA 121 90> 4X100
MAZDA 2 4X100
MAZDA 323 90> 4X100
MAZDA ASTINA 4X100
MAZDA MX5 4X100
MAZDA PROTÉGÉ 4X100
MG ROVER ZR 01> 4X100 38-45 56.1
MG ROVER ZS 01> 4X100 38-45 56.1
MINI (NEW) 01> 4X100 35-48 56.1
MITSUBISHI LANCER 92> 4X100
MITSUBISHI MIRAGE 96-05 4X100
NISSAN EXA N13 4X100
NISSAN MICRA 4X100
NISSAN NX COUPE 4X100
NISSAN PULSAR N12 4X100
NISSAN PULSAR N13 4X100
NISSAN PULSAR N14 4X100
NISSAN PULSAR N14 GTI-R 4X100
NISSAN PULSAR N15 4X100
PROTON PERSONA 4X100 35-42 56.0
PROTON SATRIA 4X100 35-42 56.0
PROTON WIRA 4X100 35-42 56.0
RENAULT 19 4X100 35-38 60.0
RENAULT 21 4X100 35-38 60.0
RENAULT CLIO 1 1.2-1.8 90-98 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT CLIO 1 16S 98> 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT CLIO 2 1.2-1.8 99> 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT CLIO 2 16V & 2.0RS 99> 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT FUEGO 4X100
RENAULT LAGUNA 4 Stud 94-01 4X100 38-45 60.1
RENAULT MEGANE 96-99 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT MEGANE 99-03 4X100 35-42 60.1
RENAULT SCENIC 97-03 4X100 38-45 60.1
ROVER 25 4X100 35-38 56
ROVER 45 4X100 35-38 56
ROVER 200 4X100 35-38 56
ROVER 400 4X100 35-38 56
ROVER Austin Metro 4X100 35-42
SEAT AROSA 97> 4X100 35-45 57.1
SEAT CORDOBA 93-00 4X100 35-45 57.1
SEAT IBIZA 93-00 4X100 35-45 57.1
SEAT TOLEDO 93-99 4X100 35-45 57.1
SKODA FELICIA 94-01 4X100 35-42 57.1
SUZUKI BALENO 4X100
SUZUKI IGNIS 4X100
SUZUKI LIANA 4X100
SUZUKI SWIFT 4X100
TOYOTA CELICA 86-91 4X100 54.1
TOYOTA COROLLA 4X100
TOYOTA ECHO 00> 4X100 54.1
TOYOTA MR-2 85-89 4X100 54.1
TOYOTA MR-2 SPYDER 00> 4X100 54.1
TOYOTA PASEO 92-96 4X100 54.1
TOYOTA PRIUS 4X100
TOYOTA SECA 4X100
TOYOTA STARLET 4X100
TOYOTA YARIS 4X100
VAUXHALL AGILA 4X100 35-42 56
VAUXHALL ASTRA MK2 4X100 42-45 56
VAUXHALL ASTRA MK3 4X100 35-42 56
VAUXHALL CALIBRA 4X100 35-42 56
VAUXHALL CAVALIER 4X100 35-42 56
VAUXHALL CORSA 4X100 42-45 56
VAUXHALL NOVA 4X100 42-45 56
VAUXHALL VECTRA 4X100 35-42 56
VOLKSWAGON CABRIO 97> 4X100 57.1
VOLKSWAGON CORRADO 4-STUD 83-93 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON GOLF I 76-98 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON GOLF II 84-98 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON GOLF III 84-98 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON JETTA 81-98 4X100 57.1
VOLKSWAGON LUPO 97> 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON PASSAT 4-STUD 88-97 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON POLO 95-01 4X100 35-42 57.1
VOLKSWAGON QUANTUM 82-89 4X100 57.1
VOLKSWAGON SCIROCCO 16V 81-88 4X100 57.1
VOLKSWAGON VENTO 4X100
VOLVO 340 4X100 32-38 52
VOLVO 360 4X100
VOLVO 440 86-97 4X100 35-42 52.1
VOLVO 460 86-97 4X100 35-42 52.1
VOLVO 480 86-97 4X100 35-42 52.1
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There is a business opportunity for someone to supply spare wheels and tyres to Jazz GE owners. Some time ago I was considering an Audi A2 but ruled it out due to the lack of spare tyre.
Although in 2009 I bought a Jazz ES which came with no spare or space saver, although I knew this before I bought I have never really been comfortable with not having a spare.
Two weeks after taking delivery of my previous car a new Peugeot 307 I had to have a new tyre fitted because a screw caused a puncture, at least I had a spare at the time.
Here's the deal I have just bought a set of Honda Jazz EX Alloy wheels 16" x 6J , 3 of wheels are for sale let me have your best offers by the weekend. The wheel does fit into the wheel well without any humps in the boot. Photos below to show
All enquiries via PM answered same day
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At 12,000 miles/year I can't remember when I last had a 'tyre-incident' (p'raps the next one may be memorable!). Motorists changing a tyre are very rare... at least as far as I can observe on my about average annual miles travels. Are tyres more puncture-resistant than they used to be even a few years ago?
No spare wheel PROS in my opinion: More boot space (significant); less 'dead' weight; no frustration at 'impossibly tight' wheelnuts (though a pipe extension to the handle of the supplied 'spanner' can provide much more leverage... or buy a wheelbrace); no protracted tyre-changing in a risky road traffic situation (most importantly, of course, that one); no retrieving spare from under a bootload while pouring with rain.
CONS: Questionable (albeit very slight) reliability of 'gunk' for common punctures; no solution for a blowout, a sidewall slash or a 'too large' hole in the tread... (in case of these, albeit rare, instances subscribing to a road rescue service is a necessity IMO); low-speed onward travel for limited miles on a 'gunked' tyre which may be rejected by a tyre fitter and/or require renewal... and, of course, there's the obverse of the preceding PROS.
Instead of a spare, I carry Holts Tyreweld (you must have seen it advertised) which I will use instead of the Honda-supplied gunk in my boot. National Tyres and Autocare, for one, stock the Holts stuff and claim that they will not reject a 'repairable' Holts-filled tyre. (It requires simply a warm water washout.) Holts Tyreweld at £10-15 is considerably less expensive than the Honda stuff. You could buy it here:
http://www.national.co.uk/tyre-weld.aspx or there are various other suppliers online.
Also, here's a good video demo of the application, advantages and limitations of Continental Tyres 'gunk' which can be bought with/without its associated compressor... £70/£20 thereabouts.
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Hmm, my situation is a bit more severe, I do around 30k miles a year, but if I get a puncture just before one of some 60 tests a year, apart from paying for a new tyre £45-£50, I would need to refund the booking fee £62, and probably supply a few free lessons to pacify a frustrated pupil, so a puncture could easily cost me £200 if badly timed.
In saying that I have only ever had one test related puncture, but I have always had a spare available, and I'm not willing to risk it.
Oz
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Ozzie... your situation is completely understandable. It all depends on one's personal circumstances and associated perceived risk. Your annual mileage compared to mine means your risk of incident is almost three times mine and then there's your potential for financial loss as you have outlined... and harm to reputation, too, I'd imagine. ("The instructor didn't even carry a spare..." or suchlike.) An altogether different risk profile to mine.
A thought... do you know about this stuff? I read somewhere that Royal Mail delivery vehicles use it to minimise tyre-related downtime and consequent disruption to their delivery schedules.
http://www.punctureseal.com/england_n_ireland.htm
Other than Oz, anyone had experience with it?
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Thanks for the link.
I don't tend to pick up nails and screws, pupils tend to catch the kerb occassionally at speed, and it just slices through the sidewall, so nothing will save the tyre. I know it sounds dramatic, but I have only lost 2 tyres that way in 16 years and 500,000 miles sitting beside learners, so the ratio isn't too bad but its always the ones you start to trust that surprise you.
Oz
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Full sized Honda EX 16" wheels for sale - see the For Sale section but
I'm ordering the winter tyres next week, so these wheels are out for forum member best offers.
Do not miss this chance to have a full sized spare 16" wheel.
Send a PM
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Have also gone down the winter tyre route but keeping the originals, one original wheel under boot as a spare. Managed to get a space saver thrown in on purchase but that's now obsolete. Olduser1, what winters you going for? Bought a set of Conti T810s along with 2 extras, means when fronts wear out at twice the rate of the rears I have the same pattern on all corners. Now fitted as cold enough up north. :)
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The 1st choice tyre at present - Bridgestone Blizzak based upon premium brand German Test reports and some feedback from Fit owners is USA.
The range of tyres in 185 55 16 for winter use is few at present.
The tyres are £95 here and $108 in USA typical
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I'm certainly miffed about the lack of spare - I didn't want to pay extra for it (don't feel I should have to) and just plum forgot about it when doing the deal.
I also wish Honda hadn't chosen a rare size for the 16" wheels - 185/55R16 are thin on the ground and are expensive. Something I'll check for when buying cars in the future.
I did get an additional set of 15" wheels and put those on with winter tyres yesterday. Found one of the existing fronts has a screw right through the centre of the tread!
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If you want a full sized genuine 16" EX wheel just send me a PM.
I have one wheel remaining £60.00 + delivery - note the new price form Honda £330+
And yes the tyre/wheel will fit directly into the spare wheel well
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My last EX, no punctures. This new one I've had 3 so far in 16,000 miles...all repaired thank goodness.
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hi,I too was disapointed there was no spare wheel supplied,but found that that a corsa steel wheel has the same pcd for the studs ,got one off ebay had a tyre fitted,it will do for a spare,and it fits in the boot well.
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This fella sells MG ZS space saver spare wheels, they are 4 x 100 stud pattern and fit the jazz perfectly! peace of mind for under £24.... here is the link for anyone who needs one :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROVER-25-45-MG-ZR-ZS-Spare-Wheel-Tyre-Space-Sv-/370557717585?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5646f60c51