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Title: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: RuthieB on February 09, 2026, 07:53:39 AM
Found on a sister forum for CRV owners, it appears that Honda is slowing down its development of full electric vehicles and maintaining development of hybrids, see link

https://www.autoguide.com/auto/manufacturers/honda/honda-walks-back-ev-goals-promises-more-hybrids-44620315

I hope that the next Jazz is still a H-HEV hybrid

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Tombola on February 09, 2026, 12:16:49 PM
Absolutely the right path to take, ICE not dead yet and I bet Honda and other marques will keep shifting the goalposts regarding the phasing out of ICE. Toyota, Suzuki, Mazda seem reluctant to go all out with EV's and long may it continue
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on February 09, 2026, 12:23:49 PM
Govs constantly flip flopping between full EV dates doesn't help
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Hicardo on February 09, 2026, 07:07:12 PM
There surely should not be only one solution.  Currently the government is all eggs in one basket with electric vehicles, despite the massive drawbacks for some. 

Other clean technologies are available.  One example, F1 is moving to renewable sustainable fuels in the 2026 season, and although costly right now, that will improve if the money is put into it. 

I still think hybrids are the best choice right now, and therefore Honda are making a great decision   ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Marco1979 on February 09, 2026, 07:45:18 PM
I also think hybrids are the best choice:
Let’s suppose that resources are limited. You can produce 1 battery for e.g. 1 Audi etron or produce 100 batteries for 100 Jazzes using the same raw materials. With the Audi the battery saves 10 l/100km, with 100 Jazzes you save 100 times 1.5 l/100km. That makes 150; 15 times better usage  :D
People still think that batteries are energy sources. They are not, they are temporary energy storage.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Bristol_Crosstar on February 12, 2026, 09:10:34 AM
EV's will be a no-brainer once they've cracked solid state batteries, probably 4 or 5 years away yet
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzfan49 on February 12, 2026, 03:04:23 PM
EV’s may well be ok if you have the means to charge at home, but I for one would not want to pay £0.90p per kilowatt when on a journey so I will stick with Hybrids for now, I’m so impressed with Honda Hybrids that I have just ordered a new HRV to replace my Jazz SR.
The high cost to charge away from home negates any advantage of owning an EV, so a Hybrid would be much cheaper to run if you regularly travel longer distances. ;D :D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on February 12, 2026, 09:04:32 PM
Perhaps toyotas perspective of the future is realistic , a mix of EVs , hybrids using petrol , hydrogen fuelled cars using fuel cells and pure petrol .  No unique solution as driving across deserts  and artic extremes are different to driving across Paris or milan . They have developed new diesels as globally the need remains . The aygo x models are now ehev hybrids so it’s conceivable honda could make a smaller model using its ehev tech maybe in a replacement’ of the honda e model?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzfan49 on February 12, 2026, 10:50:22 PM
£26k plus for a smaller less well equipped Aygo-x you would be better off getting a jazz with it’s superior comfort, roominess, quality and drivetrain, if it’s anything like a Yaris which is noisy and cramped - my opinion FWIW  ;D :D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on February 13, 2026, 10:11:22 PM
I believe the hybrid Aygo X starts at £21k . I wasn’t commenting about any comparison with a jazz - just saying toyota have a greater range of drive train technologies available today which honda dont . The city car aygo gives toyota a model wirh very low CO2 emissions to add to their petrol ICE portfolio, something honda doesnt have in its EU model range currently
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Hicardo on February 14, 2026, 11:47:23 AM
Yep agreed, the Aygo X hybrid is all round not as versatile car as the Jazz, but it has its niche as already described.  A big factor must be the 10 year warranty.  As you know we have just ordered one to sit alongside our Crosstar.  The Toyota dealers i talked to said the Aygo X is flying off the shelves. The wait list for factory order iro 3-6 months spec dependent.  In any case, theyre both excellent hybrids.  I'm in the 'hybrid makes most sense' camp.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: CB72 on February 14, 2026, 04:58:32 PM
I would like to see a Jazz PHEV, I would buy that, 40mile range would be OK for me. Honda don't appear to be big with Phev, as far as I know they only have the CR-V at present
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: coldstart on February 15, 2026, 05:06:07 PM
I would like to see a Jazz PHEV, I would buy that, 40mile range would be OK for me. Honda don't appear to be big with Phev, as far as I know they only have the CR-V at present

I would like to see a Jazz e:HEV with only a slightly bigger battery (e.g. 2kWh instead of the current measly 0,7kWh) in order to better benefit from longer downhill drives.

PHEV are an abomination in my book! They represent the "worst of both worlds": It is an EV but doesn't "self-charge" plus it has a fully fleged ICE with all its high maintenance gear (and weight)!

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on February 15, 2026, 05:39:55 PM
I would like to see a Jazz e:HEV with only a slightly bigger battery (e.g. 2kWh instead of the current measly 0,7kWh) in order to better benefit from longer downhill drives.
I suspect a larger battery would mean sacrificing some interior space. The existing battery has already reduced the former boot capacity.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: coldstart on February 15, 2026, 06:52:42 PM
I suspect a larger battery would mean sacrificing some interior space. The existing battery has already reduced the former boot capacity.
You are right! (I forgot about the space aspect)
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Tombola on February 15, 2026, 07:52:37 PM
I would like to see a Jazz e:HEV with only a slightly bigger battery (e.g. 2kWh instead of the current measly 0,7kWh) in order to better benefit from longer downhill drives.
I suspect a larger battery would mean sacrificing some interior space. The existing battery has already reduced the former boot capacity.
Plus the probability of a significant extra cost
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: coldstart on February 15, 2026, 08:48:23 PM
Plus the probability of a significant extra cost
I wouldn't overrate this! - Just think about a "Tesla" (or any other EV or PHEV) and their battery capacity!
They are at least in the range of 30 kWh! - This equals over forty current Jazz batteries!

A simple doubling (or - okay - triplicating) the current Jazz's battery wouldn't cause such an impact. Please keep in mind that battery-technology is still evolving towards more cost-efficient and longterm stable batteries.

It would, however, (at least in my use case) greatly improve fuel effiency, as I'm living in a hilly environment which often forces the Jazz to go into "retarder mode" when going downhill because the battery is already brimful and the regenerated energy has to be "burned" by turning the ICE.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: John Ratsey on February 19, 2026, 10:24:01 AM
I suspect a larger battery would mean sacrificing some interior space. The existing battery has already reduced the former boot capacity.
How much of the volume of the current battery pack is occupied by the lithium cells? I suspect that improvements to both the battery cell and cooling technology would enable twice the capacity in the same volume. I'm in favour of giving the Jazz more storage capacity. It can't handle hills that the HR-V with its 25% (?) larger battery can.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Hicardo on February 19, 2026, 12:21:56 PM
Might increase the cost John  ::)
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Tombola on February 19, 2026, 03:03:30 PM
Might increase the cost John  ::)
No "might" about it, will also probably increase the weight   
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: CB72 on February 19, 2026, 04:13:15 PM
Solid state batteries are in prototypes now, they are lighter and could be fitted into a Jazz, but you will have to wait until at least 2027 for that
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: coldstart on February 19, 2026, 05:50:34 PM
How much of the volume of the current battery pack is occupied by the lithium cells? I suspect that improvements to both the battery cell and cooling technology would enable twice the capacity in the same volume. I'm in favour of giving the Jazz more storage capacity. It can't handle hills that the HR-V with its 25% (?) larger battery can.

EV-batteries are built for heavy charge and discharge currents. They can't be compared to portable powerbanks.
Then there's the safety aspect as well. A car battery has to survive several Gs in a crash and shouldn't be compromised by impact!
A HR-V is slightly longer and certainly higher than a Jazz and can afford to accomodate a larger battery.

In the (current) Jazz I would gladly forgo the ominous "step" in the boot for a somewhat larger battery anytime!

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Tombola on February 19, 2026, 07:56:12 PM
Never mind bigger batteries how about Honda shoehorning in the 2.0ltr ICE from the Civic, that would liven things up  ;)
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on February 20, 2026, 05:08:49 AM
One thing I didn't realise is, Sodium battery packs are pretty much fireproof & can also be left at zero charge for long periods of time, something ternary battery packs don't like.

It means these cars can be exported with zero charge in them to countries around the world with no threat of fire & no need for car carrier ship companies to have expensive fire suppressant systems & armoured decks.

This Changan video about their Nevo A06 states the battery packs will be 40% cheaper & will undercut ICE cars on price. It's a bit of a chest pumping video from Changan but corresponds with what I've been reading about the Changan brand using the new CATL Naxtra sodium ion battery chemistry which is touted to last over hundreds of thousands of miles & charge in 12 minutes

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Marco1979 on February 20, 2026, 08:59:51 AM
A hybrid battery is another type of battery than an EV battery. Let me explain.

EV batteries are being charged during a long period (30 minutes up to several hours) and discharging also takes long (hours). Those batteries typically last 1,000 to 2,000 cycles. If one cycle allows for 200 miles, the battery will probably last for 200,000 to 400,000 miles.

Our Jazz battery will charge within 2 minutes and will also deplete in a few minutes. A full cycle, when driving along the motorway, will take 4 miles. Luckily, our battery will last for much more than those 2,000 cycles. It is less energy dense by design to allow probably 50,000 cycles. Also, it will keep itself in a very safe limit to minimize wear.

This is also why PHEV batteries last only a few years. 2,000 cycles probably means 2,000 (or even 1,000) days of usage.

I do think the Jazz would benefit from 1.5 times the battery capacity especially in hilly regions.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lord Voltermore on February 20, 2026, 09:52:11 AM
Maybe the ideal ,under the present level of battery technology ,would be to design the hybrid  with space where you  (or Honda) have the option  of adding an additional HV battery 'extension pack' .

The basic  car  would have   battery capacity similar to now  with the unused space as underfloor storage .  But Honda could  include  the battery extender pack on  higher specification models, or as an additional cost option on all models. And also make it  available as a relatively simple plug and play retrofit upgrade to compatible cars  originally sold without it. This also gives the option that if battery technology improves  significantly  a new improved battery extender pack  could be marketed.

But how many would be prepared to pay its likely extra cost?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on February 20, 2026, 01:48:55 PM
How much fuel would a larger battery save? I can see that in an area with long hills the 0.7 kw unit frequently fills and you have to use the mechanical brake more. But it’s not a problem here in East Anglia!
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on February 20, 2026, 02:14:56 PM
When you watch that Honda video about the e:hev and how it works it's clear that a lot of work went into development

Would a larger battery need new development to rebalance the engine/battery performance
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on February 21, 2026, 04:17:08 PM
A recent Autocar review of the new Honda Prelude, which has the same hybrid system as the Civic, says it has 8 simulated gears and a “fairly convincing” fake soundtrack. What is the point of including these?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on February 21, 2026, 04:37:08 PM
Totally agree

That fake gear shifting with associated engine noise is utterly pointless
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: John Ratsey on February 21, 2026, 04:43:49 PM
Our Jazz battery will charge within 2 minutes and will also deplete in a few minutes. A full cycle, when driving along the motorway, will take 4 miles. Luckily, our battery will last for much more than those 2,000 cycles. It is less energy dense by design to allow probably 50,000 cycles. Also, it will keep itself in a very safe limit to minimize wear.
I would note that adding more cells to increase the overall watt-hour capacity while maintaining the current total power limits will reduce the maximum current per cell so the energy management wouldn't need to change. I think most here are looking for more duration rather than more peak power.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: 5thcivic on February 21, 2026, 05:25:03 PM
I agree about the Prelude, really stupid to simulate a completely different technology.

May as well take a cd player cut off the output top and bottom frequencies, reduce the stereo separation enormously, and add some light hiss, some random pops and crackles and say experience your old turntable.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Hicardo on February 21, 2026, 08:10:05 PM
Yeah but we all know analogue is superior to digital  :D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Marco1979 on February 22, 2026, 06:41:07 AM
I really like the S+ shift of the Prelude. It is not just simulated gear shift; the software links engine rpm to speed so that the rpm actually matches a manual car with fixed gears. It can be fun! If you want a more sporty feel along some winding roads. It is this type of thing that can get the real petrolheads into a hybrid.

Not that Honda is going to listen to me, but I would like an Si of the Jazz with engine specs similar to the HRV and with added S+.  :D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lord Voltermore on February 22, 2026, 09:57:47 AM
I used to notice the 'simulated' gear changes on my 2021 car . Didnt mind it at all.  I dont notice it much on my  2024 car. Maybe I'm used to it now, or its because my hearing is 3 years older  ;D

But I think you need to be careful not to confuse simulated changes  with  genuine changes in noise level due to changes in ICE running speed. The mk4 can have 'sweet spots 'Maybe more than one depending on relative speed and load. Easing back only slightly on the throttle to remain within the sweet spot  can allow  the ICE to drop the speed ,noise level and fuel consumption it needs to keep the HV battery charged. It may even prompt it to go into EV mode  more often.
  I often use this technique when going uphill  or deciding the most economical cruising speed. A slight easing back on throttle ,or driving only a mph or two slower, sometimes results in a big drop in engine noise with little or no drop in performance. The affect on fuel consumption is immediately visible on the constant consumption display bar.
The car may change engine speeds automatically   without you consciously trying ,eg if you just happen to ease off the throttle  . These  could be mistaken for a quasi gear change. 

The mk4 responds very well to gentle driving techniques.    Also still performs  quite well if you just want to drive it like you stole it   >:(   


Do the flappy paddles on the sport make much difference to the driver experience?  I imagine that having frequent changes in 'engine braking' levels might partially simulate the sporting affects of a manual gearbox   , and if used  to the optimum  might increase  the regenerative braking contribution to recharging  .I dont use B mode much so not sure I would use flappy paddles often  .  But you never know until you have them   ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on February 22, 2026, 11:48:50 AM
I think the beauty of the iHeV system is that there are no gears. The engine revs simply vary to provide the power requested, or to recharge the battery.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Pine on February 22, 2026, 03:38:32 PM
I remember having the paddles on my Mk1 Jazz.  Living in a hilly area I used them frequently to drop down a gear or two to get engine braking to control speed going downhill.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzfan49 on February 22, 2026, 07:15:33 PM
I remember having the paddles on my Mk1 Jazz.  Living in a hilly area I used them frequently to drop down a gear or two to get engine braking to control speed going downhill.
Yes I remember that well using the 7 speed function on the steering wheel it was great fun, the cvt box was so clever that when doing F1 downchanges the system was so clever that you could not over rev the engine by shifting to too low a gear, the upward gear changes in semi auto were seamless and if I remember correctly due to the 7 steps you didn't get the CVT high revs, all in all a very clever system.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 09, 2026, 11:44:54 AM
I’m not a follower of F1 motor racing, but I read this weekend that the current regulations are for a 1.5 litre engine in a full hybrid system, (like the Jazz!). However, they apparently add fake engine noises, presumably with fake gear changes, to please the fans. I’m glad we’re spared that. I think Honda make the engines for Red Bull.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 09, 2026, 12:25:36 PM
For the 2026 F1 season, Red Bull is introducing its own power unit, the Red Bull Ford Powertrains (RBPT) H001, developed in partnership with Ford at their new Milton Keynes campus. This hybrid engine moves away from Honda, featuring a 1.6-liter V6 paired with a significantly boosted, 350kW electric motor.

However, they apparently add fake engine noises, presumably with fake gear changes, to please the fans. I’m glad we’re spared that. I think Honda make the engines for Red Bull.

As for who makes the engines, see above.
And your Jazz doesn't produce (real) engine noises and doesn't fake gear changes...? (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 09, 2026, 01:32:01 PM
And your Jazz doesn't produce (real) engine noises and doesn't fake gear changes...? (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
No fake gear changes and I rarely hear the engine - that’s why I’m glad!
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 09, 2026, 02:06:42 PM
And your Jazz doesn't produce (real) engine noises and doesn't fake gear changes...? (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
No- that’s why I’m glad!

That's a very special Jazz Mk4 you have! I think they all have a combustion engine that makes noise (when running).
Furthermore, every Jazz Mk4 imitates/fakes "shifting" when accelerating quickly.
Or perhaps I missed that there's also a different, fully electric version of our Jazz?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: CB72 on March 09, 2026, 03:31:05 PM
Well, what's those gear changing like noises when I pull away quickly or going uphill? Sounds like fake sounds to me!
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Marco1979 on March 09, 2026, 03:55:54 PM
The sound actually is the real engine sound, but the engine is programmed to vary the revs a bit as if it does change gear. So you hear the engine going towards 6000 rpm, then drop instantly to 5000 ish and then slowly towards 6000 again.
So real noise, but no mechanical meaning, just the generator being driven following a programmed scheme.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 09, 2026, 05:37:37 PM
I think the revs change according to the power demand, not to imitate gear changing. In defensive driving I am normally only made aware of the engine cutting in and out by the EV symbol in the driver display, not the engine noise. I don’t have a rev counter.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 09, 2026, 10:42:51 PM
The "gear changing" noises:

Advanced Driving Performance

The driving appeal of an e:HEV system lies in the nimble response and progressive acceleration produced by its high-output drive motor, as well as superior quietness. In addition, one characteristic of e:HEV technology is Linear Shift Control, which gradually controls engine speed to match the increase in vehicle speed, thereby realizing a rhythmical engine sound like gear changing in a stepped transmission.

That's what I call "faking gear changes"....

(https://global.honda/en/tech/Honda_eHEV_next_generation/images/05.webp)

Source: https://global.honda/en/tech/Honda_eHEV_next_generation/
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 10, 2026, 06:14:24 PM
I’ve never experienced any “gear changes”. Today I drove 180 miles from Suffolk to York, mostly in direct drive. Periodically it switched briefly to EV but I could not hear the difference because of road noise. Perhaps I’m what the article calls a “sophisticated” driver, but I prefer the term “defensive”!

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on March 10, 2026, 07:59:56 PM
Hi in steady driving you wont normally realise the “ gear change “ sensation. And having just driven a round trip to suffolk this weekend with an average of 75mpg -that reflects A and B roads at modest speeds . If i set off from traffic lights  by flooring the throttle the ICE spins to ‘ rev limit’ and the jazz zooms away nicely . Several engine speed steps occur as you progress beyond 70. I dont indulge in such sprints as i like to have the ICE running before giving it the beans . I know the tech lets the ICE engine go from off to max revs in a second or two but i feel thats extreme , least in my view . And in normal driving with tyre noise etc you cant be sure by sound if the car is in EV or direct drive especially if you enjoy spotify playing along .
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 10, 2026, 08:04:49 PM
I’ve never experienced any “gear changes”.
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Perhaps I’m what the article calls a “sophisticated” driver, but I prefer the term “defensive”! For the freeze to be maintained

So that means you've never been in a situation like, for example, joining a motorway or dual carriageway with heavy traffic on a somewhat short slip road and... you had to floor the accelerator?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Nicksey on March 11, 2026, 07:42:29 AM
I have a stretch of A road that slips on to a motorway, and I do enjoy that sensation of swiftly building the speed from 50'ish up to 70'ish and the stepping sound of the 'gear' changes as the car pulls away from those following me as I blend seamlessly into the motorway.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 12, 2026, 12:21:39 PM
This morning I was on a quiet stretch of A road and floored the accelerator for the first time in the car’s 10,000 mile life. Sure enough, the audible fake gear changes were there, so I realise I was wrong when I said we had been spared that feature. Personally, I don’t see the point of it, but based on my first 10,000 miles, I don’t expect I’ll hear it very often! Thanks for the contributions on this feature of the hybrid system.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Hicardo on March 12, 2026, 02:16:15 PM
I know they must be fake gear changes that you hear, but i for one like them.  Makes it feel more sporty and 'normal' whatever that is  ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 12, 2026, 03:20:16 PM
...and floored the accelerator for the first time in the car’s 10,000 mile life.

...did the message (in green) appeare on the dashboard screen: "Thank you! Finally!"  :D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 12, 2026, 03:26:39 PM
I can understand why some owners may seldom experience  the 'gear change' effect in their every day driving.

This morning I accelerated from 0 - 40 mph or so.  Briskly enough to easily  leave other traffic behind   The gain in velocity was constant and satisfying, with no engine rev resets   or simulated 'gear changes'.
 
Yet again the ease of simply pressing the go pedal  brought a smile  to my face.   :D  But crossing the threshold into simulated gear change territory is fun too.    ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: CB72 on March 12, 2026, 04:45:32 PM
Simulated gear change is just crazy, why not go the whole way and have a fake gear stick and clutch pedal and finally an occasional backfire or stall. ;D
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Marco1979 on March 12, 2026, 04:56:44 PM
I think those journalists who used the accelerator as an on-off switch and kept complaining about whining CVT noise for decades might have caused the fake shifts for European models.
No fake shifting is faster and may even be more efficient.
The Civic has a launch mode: starting from a standstill press the brake pedal using your left foot, press the accelerator halfway or more, wait a second and release the brake. Now you won’t have fake shift and the engine keeps its maximum power. Not sure if the Jazz has this?
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Downsizer on March 12, 2026, 06:59:14 PM
No fake shifting is faster and may even be more efficient.
You would expect maximum acceleration to result from constant revs at maximum power, but the fake gear changes over a narrow rev range probably generates some extra sales.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: coldstart on March 13, 2026, 05:19:14 AM
Maybe this may interest you (spoiler alert: Honda will forgo new EVs and concentrate on HEVs):
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/oh-no-honda-has-cancelled-its-wedgy-0-series-electric-cars

Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on March 13, 2026, 06:42:44 AM
You can't deny that China, with Gov subsidised products and poor wages are pushing traditional makers to the wall

Personally, any vehicle designed and built in China I would not touch with a bargepole but lots here are buying the likes of BYD

See how they get on

The ORA EV courtesy car they gave me was dreadful
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Bristol_Crosstar on March 13, 2026, 08:59:32 AM
You can't deny that China, with Gov subsidised products and poor wages are pushing traditional makers to the wall

Personally, any vehicle designed and built in China I would not touch with a bargepole but lots here are buying the likes of BYD

See how they get on

The ORA EV courtesy car they gave me was dreadful
I'm pretty sure my Mk 2 Jazz was built in China. From all the reviews I've read the build quality of the likes of BYD is good and they come with long warranties. Provided I had a local dealership (there is a BYD in Bristol local to me) it wouldn't put me off buying one.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Kremmen on March 13, 2026, 09:02:19 AM
China do produce some good things, when they have the specs from elsewhere, but as I said "designed and built in China", that would be my worry with vehicles
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: ColinS on March 13, 2026, 09:07:38 AM
If I look around my house I can probably count the number items on one hand that aren't made in China or have Chinese components.  The same will be true of car components I'm sure.  Nevertheless my next car will more than likely be a Renault.
Title: Re: Honda To keep developing Hybrids?
Post by: Jazzik on March 13, 2026, 10:19:34 AM
China do produce some good things, when they have the specs from elsewhere, but as I said "designed and built in China", that would be my worry with vehicles

The problem here is that that is history by now. They looked at us, copied, caught up, improved a bit, took us over, and they now make things (including vehicles!) as good as or better (and much cheaper!) than "us"!
History repeats itself: think of Japanese cars, then South Korean cars, and now Chinese cars.
And let's just wait and see, for example, what the first mass-produced solid-state batteries will say... "Made in China"...?