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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: YND on September 20, 2025, 08:05:56 PM
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I love my Honda Jazz, In fact, this is the second one I have bought, but I now need something a little bigger. So I set my heart on the 2026 HRV but that aspiration has ended in serious disappointment, and after the superb Jazz I can’t understand how this car is so bad. On the test drive, I found the engine noise and road noise really loud and intrusive, the car rocked and rolled over every small undulation. The revving of the engine after the slightest dab of the throttle was insane and there was a strange graunching noise at very low speed. The Honda deal and discounts were generous and very tempting, and the updated cabin looked great. On paper, this car was a dream to me (including the 360 degree camera) but now I will have to look elsewhere, but where!?
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A ZR-V maybe? The bigger engine is quieter and more relaxed. I have never driven one, but from Jazz to Civic the 2.0 really impressed me.
Or you could test drive another HR-V, maybe this particular one was more noisy?
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Thanks Marco, sadly the ZR-V (like so many other desirable cars) breaches the £40k premium car tax threshold which I am absolutely not prepared to pay. The HRV’s price was under 40k which was one of the reasons it was top of my list…
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Or you could test drive another HR-V, maybe this particular one was more noisy?
Well, that's the case with all new HRVs. The same engine as in the Jazz - where it's just so-so okay, but not enough for the HRV...
YND: maybe new Mazda CX-5? The engine is powerful enough there. ;) But the hybrid will come later.
And it also costs something.
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the car rocked and rolled over every small undulation.
One possible explanation is tyre pressures. Maybe the tyres on the HR-V were overinflated, or the tyres on your Jazz underinflated.
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YND, If you decide to leave Honda and you want a car built in Japan maybe consider a Mazda CX 30 2.5 Skyactive G, bit cramped in the rear but build quality very good and similar to Honda, very well equipped for the money, superb manual gearbox or Torque Converter Auto box, I'm talking myself into getting one ;) ;D
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I went from Karoq to early e:HEV HR-V the only points I would agree with you on was the
N O I S E !
Dreadful. Hardly any sound deadening at all. I had to change after a year due to increasingly wonky knee, hindering ingress/egress. Went to e:HEV CR-V. B L I S S! lovely and quiet, in spite of the 2.0L lump.
I you want to leave Honda go for a Kia Niro or Sportage I have the old (2021) shape eNiro full BEV and out of the 79 cars I've owned it is the best by far AND a SEVEN year warranty. Very well specc'd
I will never buy any car form a manufacturer that only oferfs 3 years. The majority are now offering up to TEN years.
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A ZR-V maybe?
Better than the ZR-V is the RAV4, I think. ZR-V - direct injection, RAV4 - D-4S (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=17752.msg153880#msg153880).
RAV4 has a stronger engine, more power, higher ground clearance, larger trunk, larger dimensions, much greater towing capacity (up to 2,000 kg), greater range. And yet it costs about the same.
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Many thanks all for your suggestions. I was quite taken with the Mazda MX30 Makoto until I discovered its ridiculous rear passenger set-up. Then the Lexus LBX but not sure about the small boot. Much more research and test driving to come I guess!!
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I moved from a 2020 Crosstar to a 2022 HR-V because I wanted something a bit bigger and then to a 2025 Jazz because I decided that the HR-V was inconveniently big for country lanes (if it were the size of the Mk 2 HR-V then I would still have it).
As noted above the HR-V's powertrain has to work harder to move a bigger vehicle using what is effectively the same engine. However, the HR-V capable of travelling further on the battery which has about 25% more capacity but, overall, I achieved about 15% lower mpg than the Jazz. Any willingness of either vehicle to rev the engine excessively can be tamed by using Eco mode.
I felt the bigger HR-V handled rough roads better than the Jazz although the latter, being smaller, is easier to drive around some of the potholes. I don't remember the HR-V road noise being worse than the Jazz and wonder if Honda have changed the standard tyres.
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As noted above the HR-V's powertrain has to work harder to move a bigger vehicle using what is effectively the same engine. However, the HR-V capable of travelling further on the battery which has about 25% more capacity but, overall, I achieved about 15% lower mpg than the Jazz. Any willingness of either vehicle to rev the engine excessively can be tamed by using Eco mode.
Same engine but more power, 129 Bhp I believe, some reviewers of the HRV overemphasise the engine noise, they floor the accelerator which I have never needed to do in my Jazz, most cars, both Hybrid and ICE will be noisy when the accelerator is floored.
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Same engine but more power, 129 Bhp I believe, some reviewers of the HRV overemphasise the engine noise, they floor the accelerator which I have never needed to do in my Jazz, most cars, both Hybrid and ICE will be noisy when the accelerator is floored.
Honda's specs at https://www.honda.co.uk/cars.html indicate the same engine max power. The HR-V's max total power may be higher due to a bigger battery able to deliver a higher output (if it has enough charge).
What is more relevant is the power needed under everyday driving conditions and the HR-Vs higher weight (and, I suspect, worse drag factor) means that the HR-V's engine needs to run faster for the equivalent driving conditions.
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Same engine but more power, 129 Bhp I believe, some reviewers of the HRV overemphasise the engine noise, they floor the accelerator which I have never needed to do in my Jazz, most cars, both Hybrid and ICE will be noisy when the accelerator is floored.
Honda's specs at https://www.honda.co.uk/cars.html indicate the same engine max power. The HR-V's max total power may be higher due to a bigger battery able to deliver a higher output (if it has enough charge).
What is more relevant is the power needed under everyday driving conditions and the HR-Vs higher weight (and, I suspect, worse drag factor) means that the HR-V's engine needs to run faster for the equivalent driving conditions.
With respect unless I'm missing something the Honda configurator shows the HRV max power at 131PS, 129Bhp, the Jazz 107PS, 105Bhp, the HRV's 131PS is probably a combination of the ICE and electric motors
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With respect unless I'm missing something the Honda configurator shows the HRV max power at 131PS, 129Bhp, the Jazz 107PS, 105Bhp
imho you are mixing up the max power of the ICE with the max power of the main electric motor.
spoiler alert: The ICE's max power of the HRV is the same as the Jazz's: 107 PS (only it has to propel a heavier and much "bulkier" car)
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With respect unless I'm missing something the Honda configurator shows the HRV max power at 131PS, 129Bhp, the Jazz 107PS, 105Bhp
imho you are mixing up the max power of the ICE with the max power of the main electric motor.
spoiler alert: The ICE's max power of the HRV is the same as the Jazz's: 107 PS (only it has to propel a heavier and much "bulkier" car)
Correct, I missed the "combined power" bit
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Correct, I missed the "combined power" bit
sorry to be nitpicking again: On the Honda e:HEV drive train there is no such thing as "combined power"!
The Honda e:HEV cars essentially are electric vehicules! The main (and strongest) motor is the electric motor.
Honda's engineers where clever enough to add a clutch to connect the ICE "directly" (in fact: over some fixed reduction gear) to the wheels, when the load approximately matches the power output of the ICE at the present road speed, thus eliminating the losses of going through generating and using electric current.
So, in the (not so) long run, any Honda e:HEV can "only" deliver the power equivalent of the ICE (minus the conversion losses). The maximum power stated by the specs is only available when and while there's enough power stored in the measly HV-battery.
btw: I'm old enough to think that anything with more than 100 PS must be a "sports car" ;)
(and more than "adequate" in everyday's stop-and-go traffic!)
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Having driven a new Kia sportage for a month i can say it was very quiet compared to the jazz and HRV models by a noticeable amount !
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MUCH bigger car than the Jazz!!