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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: Geoff_W on December 21, 2023, 02:51:42 PM
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Here in the UK several radio stations are moving to DAB+. One of them is Classic FM, which is about the only one I listen to in the car. As the Jazz only has a DAB radio, that looks like the end of my radio listening in the car. I have seen suggestions about using a phone to stream Classic FM but I don't know how reliable that would be (and I don't have much of a data plan on my phone). Does anyone have a better idea?
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I might be wrong but I thought Classic FM will continue to also be broadcast in FM and that the Jazz radio can receive FM signals. There might be some reduction in sound quality and coverage compared to dab or dab+.
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Mk4 Jazz Hybrids SR, Ex and Crosstar should be compatible with receive DAB+ transmissions.
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I might be wrong but I thought Classic FM will continue to also be broadcast in FM and that the Jazz radio can receive FM signals. There might be some reduction in sound quality and coverage compared to dab or dab+.
Believe it or not, FM is actually better quality than DAB. The reason being is that many DAB stations have severe compression. So, if you are in an area where Classic FM is available, then tune to FM.
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An Internet radio app like Radio UK should work on Android Auto or Carplay and you have a choice of all the main stations including Classic FM, but FM should work just fine, it's in the name.
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I just play my music via the headunit that is now loaded on my phone, works flawlessly
Plus it mimics a USB stick in that it's FIFO and continues from where it was when I powered down
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I might be wrong but I thought Classic FM will continue to also be broadcast in FM and that the Jazz radio can receive FM signals. There might be some reduction in sound quality and coverage compared to dab or dab+.
"Some" is an understatement. Maybe it's an area thing but here in the wilds of East Yorkshire FM is pants.
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I might be wrong but I thought Classic FM will continue to also be broadcast in FM and that the Jazz radio can receive FM signals. There might be some reduction in sound quality and coverage compared to dab or dab+.
Believe it or not, FM is actually better quality than DAB. The reason being is that many DAB stations have severe compression. So, if you are in an area where Classic FM is available, then tune to FM.
If that was the case then simple Google searches would reveal it to be so. They don't.
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Radio 4 at key times of the day if I’m out in the jazz or Spotify drive tracks keep me entertained. Think radio 4 is on FM - the lady handed over my new jazz -programmed the radio for my phone radio 4 and Spotify on apple carplay !! Or I just listen to the engine on occasion lol
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New Zealand never got around to setting up DAB radio stations, let alone DAB+ stations.
Are we missing anything?
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Not really, especially in a car which isn't exactly a sound studio when you're on the move
Portable DAB radios go through batteries like there's no tomorrow, a few weeks if you're lucky. My FM radio batteries can last up to a year
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Here in the UK several radio stations are moving to DAB+. One of them is Classic FM, which is about the only one I listen to in the car. As the Jazz only has a DAB radio, that looks like the end of my radio listening in the car.
I can assure you first hand that the Jazz's DAB radio is quite capable of tuning into DAB+ stations!
DAB (without plus) is an older technology that has largely been superseeded by DAB+.
In Switzerland we have very good coverage by DAB+ radio stations and I've been listening only to DAB+ radio in my cars for years now (no complaints about audio quality compared to FM so far - quite the opposite!).
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Thank you all for your replies, and a belated Merry Christmas to everyone.
I'll wait to see if I can still get Classic FM in the new year.
I didn't think my Crosstar had DAB+ because I could find no reference to it in the MY21 online manual, only DAB.
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ZINRadio App is actually pretty good, you can also change stations via mfsw(via Bluetooth)
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Here in the UK several radio stations are moving to DAB+. One of them is Classic FM, which is about the only one I listen to in the car. As the Jazz only has a DAB radio, that looks like the end of my radio listening in the car.
I can assure you first hand that the Jazz's DAB radio is quite capable of tuning into DAB+ stations!
DAB (without plus) is an older technology that has largely been superseeded by DAB+.
In Switzerland we have very good coverage by DAB+ radio stations and I've been listening only to DAB+ radio in my cars for years now (no complaints about audio quality compared to FM so far - quite the opposite!).
Only true if outside the UK. I would appear that UK models are NOT DAB+. However, although Honda customer services were their useful self (not) and referred me to my local dealer, the latter were not able to confirm whether the radio in my Crosstar is DAB or DAB+. So we'll just have to wait and see, or ratherwait an listen :)
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I can listen to stations like Absolute Radio that only transmit DAB+ in my 2020 Jazz SR e:HEV and both the official 2020 & 2023 Model year specifications state that UK e:HEV are DAB+ compatible so I am confident that Classic FM DAB+ will be available on my Jazz. It might be necessary to rescan the stations but I expect the station will be on the same transponder so I don't think that should not be necessary.
I don't think dealers even read the specifications of the cars they sell now days. When I have asked about turning on the traffic sign recognition speed limiter on in one of my cars the salesman didn't know it even know it existed.
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Only true if outside the UK. I would appear that UK models are NOT DAB+.
First I want to express my sceptisicm that Honda would ship specifically modified models to the UK (they are driving on the left hand side in Japan as well).
Secondliy DAB+ is a superset to DAB which means a DAB+ radio is capable of receiving a (deprecated) DAB signal whereas a DAB radio will never be able to render DAB+ because it lacks the necessary CODEC.
Thirdly: Simply trust your fellow fora members that current MK4 Jazzes can render DAB+ radio like a pro!
And: Happy New Year to all!
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First I want to express my sceptisicm that Honda would ship specifically modified models to the UK (they are driving on the left hand side in Japan as well).
And: Happy New Year to all!
Japan drives on the left but there are other regs for things like lighting and emissions which usually make Japanese domestic models different to UK and other RHD markets. Traditionally Japanese spec cars didn't get much in the way of underbody corrosion protection, don't know if that's still true.
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The MK4 Jazz and Crosstar have DAB+ capable tuners.
However, I can't vouch for the audio quality as many stations are low bitrate.
Classic FM is 64kbps DAB+ (HE-AAC, 32kHz stereo)
Heart UK is 40kbps DAB+ (HE-AAC v2, 32kHz stereo). Heart 70s is 32kbps.
Boom Radio is 24kbps DAB+ (HE-AAC, 32kHz mono).
There are three levels of MP4 encoding:
* LC-AAC - lowest compression, as used by BBC Sounds
* HE-AAC - LC-AAC at higher compression with Spectral Band Replication
* HE-AAC v2 - LC-AAC at even higher compression, with SBR and Parametric Stereo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding
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All radios have been DAB+ for a few years. Household sets for a longtime and Car stereos (when fitted) by law in the UK since September 2020.
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All radios have been DAB+ for a few years. Household sets for a longtime and Car stereos (when fitted) by law in the UK since September 2020.
Which law would that be?
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Breaking News: National radio station Classic FM will switch from DAB to DAB+ in January 2024, but remain available on 100 – 102 FM.
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I can confirm that Classic FM is still available on my Crosstar in both DAB and FM formats. So clearly the UK Jazz head unit has a DAB+ radio.
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I can confirm that Classic FM is still available on my 2018 HR-V in DAB as well as FM.
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Breaking News: National radio station Classic FM will switch from DAB to DAB+ in January 2024, but remain available on 100 – 102 FM.
It switched on Tuesday 2 January: HE-AAC, 32 kHz Stereo @ 64 kbit/s
It used to be 128kbps stereo MP2.
http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#D1
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Breaking News: National radio station Classic FM will switch from DAB to DAB+ in January 2024, but remain available on 100 – 102 FM.
It switched on Tuesday 2 January: HE-AAC, 32 kHz Stereo @ 64 kbit/s
It used to be 128kbps stereo MP2.
http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#D1
Is that better or worse quality with the change to HE-AAC but a lower bitrate?
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AAC is not a bad codec, better quality per kB than mp3, but going from 128 to 64 might be broadly equivalent. Mind you by the time these stations have compressed all the dynamic range out of their output the quality almost seems mute.
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I cant find any voice commands for changing radio stations. There are commands for AM and FM to tune to a frequency ;D Who knows the frequency of any radio stations unless you are a radio geek. Anyway I'm talking about DAB stations. Ive tried different combinations of Play <station> or Tune to <station> etc etc but no luck, there's nothing as far as I can see in the manual. Changing stations whilst on the move is bit dangerous, even with the presets :o
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I cant find any voice commands for changing radio stations. There are commands for AM and FM to tune to a frequency ;D Who knows the frequency of any radio stations unless you are a radio geek. Anyway I'm talking about DAB stations. Ive tried different combinations of Play <station> or Tune to <station> etc etc but no luck, there's nothing as far as I can see in the manual. Changing stations whilst on the move is bit dangerous, even with the presets :o
When I first got my Crosstar I spent a lot of time trying to use voice control to change stations. In the end I just gave it up as a bad job. As I only tend to listen to Classic FM in the car, changing station isn't an issue for me.
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... Changing stations whilst on the move is bit dangerous, even with the presets :o
You can cycle through your preset stations with the skip buttons on the steering wheel.
Easy to do without looking. In addition the new station name shortly flashes in the central display.