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Title: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mfelicio on November 05, 2023, 12:04:14 PM: Hi all, I have a Honda Jazz 2022 and my phone is an iPhone 14 Pro. When I connect my iPhone to Carplay, there is a huge lag on navigation, particularly with Waze and Google Maps, but even with Apple Maps there are some occacional issues as well.

The problem happens in wireless and wired connections. I replaced my cable with an Apple original but the problem did not disappear. I recently rented a Clio and, using the same phone and cable, I had no issues at all.

Sometimes Carplay works fine for a few minutes, specially if I disconnect GPS and precision navigation and connect again. But that doesn't last long.

My wife has an Android phone and there is no lagging issues with Android.

Have you guys had the same problem with Carplay? Found a solution?
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Whiteshark on November 05, 2023, 04:34:39 PM: I have noticed exactly what you describe. I therefore tend to use the garmin factory fit, which is ok.
Would be interested if anybody has a solution.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: ColinB on November 06, 2023, 09:53:26 AM: Quote from: Bristol_Crosstar on November 06, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
... the Garmin system is very good at navigation.

Provided that none of the roads have changed since the built-in system was last updated. One of the benefits of Google is that map updates happen automatically and frequently in the background. Judging by the number of posts on here about the hassle involved in updating the Garmin, I suspect many people just don't bother so may be trying to navigate by maps several years out of date. That's not just a problem with Honda's system.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: CB72 on November 06, 2023, 11:29:16 AM: Basically, the Jazz garmin is rubbish compared to a standalone Garmin which has traffic alerts and you can upload routes. My dealer charges £40 to update the maps.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Jazzik on November 06, 2023, 11:43:01 AM: Quote from: CB72 on November 06, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
My dealer charges £40 to update the maps.
(https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/konfus/a058.gif)

Our dealer does it for thank you! (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/verschiedene/a014.gif)
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: peteo48 on November 06, 2023, 12:10:32 PM: Quote from: CB72 on November 06, 2023, 11:29:16 AM
Basically, the Jazz garmin is rubbish compared to a standalone Garmin which has traffic alerts and you can upload routes. My dealer charges £40 to update the maps.

I'd pay that in a flash but I was quoted £140 by Holdcroft Honda in Warrington. They gave the somewhat unhelpful advice to "just use your phone."

Tried connecting my phone the other day so I could access Android Auto. No Android Auto icon anywhere to be found either on my phone or on the infotainment system.

Yet another example of older people being digitally excluded. Not a surprise really when the Covid enquiry saw the virus as nature's way of getting rid of old people.

Don't know why I get so agitated about this - I rarely go anywhere I haven't been before ;D
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: coldstart on November 06, 2023, 12:18:19 PM: Quote from: peteo48 on November 06, 2023, 12:10:32 PM
Tried connecting my phone the other day so I could access Android Auto. No Android Auto icon anywhere to be found either on my phone or on the infotainment system.
Have you tried downloading the current Android Auto app for your phone from the Google Play Store? (it's free)

Moreover there are tutorials available on Youtube e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5yzQZOhyHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5yzQZOhyHE) if you don't want to read the manual.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Whiteshark on November 06, 2023, 12:29:03 PM: Does anybody have a solution to the original question ? :'(
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: nowster on November 06, 2023, 02:28:34 PM: Quote from: Whiteshark on November 06, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
I often need to travel into remote parts of North Wales, where the signal is poor and both the Garmin and Google get confused.

I do the same. I've never lost GPS lock. And you can get Google Maps to download chunks of the map for offline use. I have the whole of the mapping of Gwynedd downloaded onto my phone.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on November 06, 2023, 02:47:07 PM: I do the same, download local copies of the Google mapping I need

That may be a partial answer to the Apple Carplay v Google Android lag if the maps have to download data to redraw the map

I run Google Maps on my headunit in satellite view, which is more 21st century, and no issues at all, Android phone
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on November 07, 2023, 04:05:45 PM: I have the same problem with my new Honda Jazz 2022 that I recently purchased from the dealer. I thought it was only my car that had the problem, but they showed me another used car of the same model year, and it also had the same problem. They suggested that I use Apple Maps or Waze. I found this post while I was desperately searching for a solution. Waze and Apple Maps are much better than Google Maps or TomTom, but as you said, they are also not stable. I wrote to the Honda customer centre to make them aware of this problem, but my single email probably will not have much impact on them. Ironically, even though the dealer suggested that I should use Apple Maps / Waze instead of Google Maps, it seems they are actively using Google Maps because they replied to my 1-star rating very quickly here; https://maps.app.goo.gl/FLSLYhV1VTyNiRfHA

Quote from: Whiteshark on November 06, 2023, 12:29:03 PM
Does anybody have a solution to the original question ? :'(
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on November 08, 2023, 05:14:57 AM: I wonder if this is another Apple firmware issue where Honda have tested against the latest firmware during development but Apple have since changed things and the Android to Apple, or vice versa, isn't the same any more.

I've seen lots of problem posts every time Apple issue a new iOS and various apps no longer work or have issues

Just guessing
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Whiteshark on November 08, 2023, 08:01:21 AM: I have noticed this problem since I bought the car in 2021, so I don’t believe it to be affected by any iOS update. I don’t use google maps very much , I rely on the Garmin on the satnav and send the destination from my iPhone, tbh without any problem. It is only on the rare occasion it won’t send the destination to the car, and I am too lazy to manually key that in to satnav, that I use google maps.
It is just irritating to drive past your turning point, because you are following the physical directions. Happened the other day and I had to turn round , because I had missed my turning, usually on country, narrow roads.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on November 08, 2023, 08:21:59 AM: Just for info, wired or wireless iPhone to headunit ?
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Whiteshark on November 08, 2023, 12:05:44 PM: Wireless
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on November 08, 2023, 03:56:28 PM: Have you tried wired ?
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Whiteshark on November 08, 2023, 07:21:56 PM: No I haven’t and maybe I should , thanks
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on November 08, 2023, 08:02:28 PM: Quote from: Kremmen on November 08, 2023, 03:56:28 PM
Have you tried wired ?

Btw, I have tried both wired and wireless. I used the original cable, Anker brand cable. None worked without any lag.

Today Apple released iOS 17.1.1, but I haven't tested it yet.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: canterhans on November 16, 2023, 01:23:59 PM: I used to have terrible lag with GoogleMaps via Apple CarPlay. iPhone XR. Bluetooth connection, no wire.

No problem at all when I switched to Apple Maps. Until I updated to iOS17 recently, now there is a lag. I supposed the problem was that this old iPhone has a problem with iOS17. I'll try with my wife's iPhone13 (also running iOS17) and report back.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on November 16, 2023, 01:28:19 PM: Quote from: canterhans on November 16, 2023, 01:23:59 PM
I used to have terrible lag with GoogleMaps via Apple CarPlay. iPhone XR. Bluetooth connection, no wire.

No problem at all when I switched to Apple Maps. Until I updated to iOS17 recently, now there is a lag. I supposed the problem was that this old iPhone has a problem with iOS17. I'll try with my wife's iPhone13 (also running iOS17) and report back.

Problem is not the phone, it is most likely the car. I have 15 Pro and I can use these apps(apple maps, google maps, waze, tomtom) in Skoda without any problems. Apple Maps and Waze works slightly better than others.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: methodicallymad on August 23, 2024, 05:38:54 PM: Has anyone managed to get an answer or solution to this?

Am having the same problem, response from Honda was because this issue isn't known to affect my model (22 Jazz crosstar hybrid) there's nothing wrong. Want to escalate but good to know if anyone else has managed to get anywhere with this.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on August 23, 2024, 05:45:24 PM: I haven't got any resolution yet, I brought my car to Gatwick Honda and Bognor Regis, they both replied that it is known isssue and suggested me to use Android. I bought very cheap android phone just for this reason. I will never buy Honda again. The issue doesn't exist on HRV even they both have same unit (as far as I can see), this means the problem might be resolved with an software update but it seems Honda just doesn't care.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: dfconnolly on August 23, 2024, 07:48:07 PM: We have 2-4 second time lag problems using Apple Car Play on I-phone SE (2nd Gen) iOS 17.6.1 with Google Maps and Waze.
Using original Apple lightning/usb connection.

I’m sure it’s a slow or poor capacity processor in the head unit. I have a 2020 C-RV and have NO time lag issues whatsoever (I think that’s an Alpine Head Unit for the infotainment.

One other possibility is ensuring Bluetooth is off on the phone when it’s cable connected (something I’ve yet to try myself on the wife’s Jazz!)
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: otmar on August 23, 2024, 08:30:06 PM: I‘ve fixed it by using one of these: CarlinKit 5,0 2air. It seems this forces carplay to use the cars gps and maybe reduces the video framerate. No lag anymore with google maps, HereWeGo…
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on August 23, 2024, 11:40:31 PM: @otmar thanks for the tip, I will also try this and give feedback here as soon as I test myself.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Farrow on August 27, 2024, 08:19:37 PM: Having become completely fed up with the lagging navigation with my iPhone, I ended up swapping it out for a Pixel 8.

Generally, apps like Waze/Google maps work better but now I find Android Auto crashes - sometimes it will crash occasionally, other times it can crash three times in ten minutes. Both the iPhone and Pixel have been connected using a wire.

This is one of the reasons I'm getting rid of my Jazz after 18 months.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on August 28, 2024, 04:34:41 AM: Since switching to wired my Android Auto connection has been 100% reliable

Connects immediately on head unit start plus I'm using satellite view which I assume transfers more data

So is it a Jazz or phone setup issue ?
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Farrow on September 22, 2024, 08:16:14 PM: Quote from: Kremmen on August 28, 2024, 04:34:41 AM
Since switching to wired my Android Auto connection has been 100% reliable

Connects immediately on head unit start plus I'm using satellite view which I assume transfers more data

So is it a Jazz or phone setup issue ?
Out of interest, do you ever use Waze for navigation? Out of the apps I've used, there seems to be more Android Auto crashes when using it (yet not crash-free with Google Maps or Tom Tom).
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on September 23, 2024, 04:45:07 AM: I tried it once and it wasn't for me

I didn't like the display compared to Google Maps satellite view

The main reason I switched back was that on the MK4 Jazz, Waze has a bug when sending navigation data to the driver display on some turns

At a roundabout for example, if you are told to go straight on, the driver display should show a line with a small semi circle then another line with arrow pointing straight ahead

Instead, under Waze, it would display the graphics for making a 360 turn and going back where you came from. Works perfectly OK in Google Maps

The Waze display on the headunit was correct, just the driver display

They may have fixed it as this was just over 2 years ago
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: mepakdil on September 23, 2024, 10:26:24 PM: Quote from: mepakdil on August 23, 2024, 11:40:31 PM
@otmar thanks for the tip, I will also try this and give feedback here as soon as I test myself.

I have been testing it for a while, and it has been working without any issue so far. I think my problem resolved.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: R2D3 on September 24, 2024, 08:41:25 AM: Quote from: otmar on August 23, 2024, 08:30:06 PM
I‘ve fixed it by using one of these: CarlinKit 5,0 2air. It seems this forces carplay to use the cars gps and maybe reduces the video framerate. No lag anymore with google maps, HereWeGo…

But £60 to fix a problem (Honda's inbuilt rubbish SatNav). Why isn't Honda paying us to do that?
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Kremmen on September 24, 2024, 08:57:02 AM: On another Honda forum a member fitted a GPS booster to his windscreen and that fixed his problem of regularly being shown as being in an adjacent field, etc
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: otmar on September 24, 2024, 10:03:53 AM: Quote from: R2D3 on September 24, 2024, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: otmar on August 23, 2024, 08:30:06 PM
I‘ve fixed it by using one of these: CarlinKit 5,0 2air. It seems this forces carplay to use the cars gps and maybe reduces the video framerate. No lag anymore with google maps, HereWeGo…

But £60 to fix a problem (Honda's inbuilt rubbish SatNav). Why isn't Honda paying us to do that?

https://a.aliexpress.com/_Evfqjat
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: R2D3 on September 24, 2024, 06:32:02 PM: Quote from: otmar on September 24, 2024, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: R2D3 on September 24, 2024, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: otmar on August 23, 2024, 08:30:06 PM
I‘ve fixed it by using one of these: CarlinKit 5,0 2air. It seems this forces carplay to use the cars gps and maybe reduces the video framerate. No lag anymore with google maps, HereWeGo…

But £60 to fix a problem (Honda's inbuilt rubbish SatNav). Why isn't Honda paying us to do that?

https://a.aliexpress.com/_Evfqjat

But around £60 from a reputable supplier.
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: coldstart on September 24, 2024, 08:07:41 PM: Quote from: R2D3 on September 24, 2024, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: otmar on August 23, 2024, 08:30:06 PM
https://a.aliexpress.com/_Evfqjat

But around £60 from a reputable supplier.

aliexpress knows how to expertly bypass the (unfortunately?) lax swiss tax laws and are therby circumventing the swiss equivalent of VAT!

So, long story short: reputable isn't the first attribute that comes to my mind with this company, why I for one would never ever buy anything from them - my compatri..ots might differ (sorry, somehow my keyboard just went crazy)
Title: Re: Google Maps and Waze lagging on Carplay
Post by: Lord Voltermore on September 25, 2024, 11:57:40 AM: I thought Aliexpress were often just agents with goods often actually despatched by independent suppliers as is sometimes the case with Amazon etc.

But I have in the past been shocked by some chinese suppliers who seem to regard it as normal to quote false values or descriptions in customs documentation or claim its a free gift etc when it was not. And no doubt various other shipping dodges. And even blatantly advertise on line their willingness to do so.

Sorry if its going off topic but I once investigated the true cost of oil filters from China. Bought wholesale they were as cheap as 40p each :o (48 cents euro) But if I bought a minimum of 500 they would paint the filter, and print the box ,with whatever logo I chose free of charge. Fair enough if the logo was 'Voltermore auto spares' but the implication was it could also be Honda etc. Thats advertised on line, not some sleazy secret deal.

And they very often make fake versions even of stuff made by other Chinese manufacturers . The recent incident of exploding walkie talkies in Lebanon has revealed an increasing problem not just of fake copies
but acquiring the genuine tooling and factory equipment to make the genuine item illegally without the knowledge or quality control of the original maker.
I know China can make good quality if they try , or must, but I'm still very wary.