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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: michaelC on October 07, 2022, 04:46:20 PM
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Hello everyone, should be a quick question:
When I twist the left stalk so the rear fog light indicator comes on, I notice that only the rear DRIVER side fog light seems to come on. Nothing on the left passenger side (both sides have the brake lights on ok)
Am I right then in thinking that I need to get that fixed, before going in for an MOT test due 29 Oct 2022?
Or is there some weird logic to have only the rear driver side lighting up the fog light??
Cheers!
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Unfortunately it's penny pinching by nearly every manufacturer Honda included.
Legally and for type approval they only need to fit the one and that depends on whether it is for right or left hand drive markets. So we only get one on the RHS.
There's nothing wrong with your car and it won't fail its MOT for only having one fog light.
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I had the same on my Volvo S40 but I discovered that the holder and wiring were there. All I had to do was knock out the plastic cover over the holder and fit a bulb. I wonder if the Jazz is similar.
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Quite often cars will have a fog light one side and a reversing light the other side using the same section of the tail light assembly.
As said by ianhj the regs don't require a fog light both sides, and when you think about it then it's really not any advantage. The one is bright enough to warn drivers aproaching from the rear in fog that there is something up ahead, and by the time they get a bit closer the two tail lights will be visible unless the fog is so thick you could knit it.
Penny pinching or cost effectiveness? You decide. If they fitted more lights we'd only end up paying for them.
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Thank you all for your sage advice and experiences! That’s really helped assure me a lot!!! :)
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In some countries it has been prohibited to have rear fog light on both sides. Reasoning was that it can be mixed with or reduce the visibility of the break lights.
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In some countries it has been prohibited to have rear fog light on both sides. Reasoning was that it can be mixed with or reduce the visibility of the break lights.
That is an interesting point it also makes good sense.
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The fog lights have to be a certain distance from the brake lights to prevent confusion. I remember having to check the regs when I fitted auxiliary rear fog lights to a car that didn't have them as standard (too old).
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Yes, according to UNECE Regulation No 48 6.11.9 the distance between the rear fog-lamp and each stop-lamp shall be greater than 100 mm. And if there is just one rear fog light, it has to be either on driver's side or on centreline.
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2 rear fog lights were a useful tailgater deterrent :D
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One rear fog light does the job as well.
I get really annoyed to drivers keeping the rear fog light on when there is a line of cars or even jam on road. In such situations I'd wish I had an aircraft landing light mounted on top of the dashboard.
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I only ever put on my rear fog light when I am alone or the last car in a line. As soon as someone comes up behind me I switch it off. However, if the guy behind me has his front fog lights on then it must be really foggy so I leave it on or even switch it on!
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I only ever put on my rear fog light when I am alone or the last car in a line. As soon as someone comes up behind me I switch it off. However, if the guy behind me has his front fog lights on then it must be really foggy so I leave it on or even switch it on!
We obviously have the same mentality as that is exactly what I do. And with the guy behind having his front fog lights on, I switch my rear fog light on even if there is absolutely no fog about, just to remind him that he has forgotten to switch them off :D.
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Unfortunately front fog lights are pretty unannoying if there is a traffic jam and you cannot see the fog lights from mirrors. ::)
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If the wiring is there then just put in bulb if you want a visually well balanced set of lights at rear
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I have driven for more years than I care to remember (or able to remember) Maybe I have avoided bad fog, but I have never once felt the need for FRONT fog lights that cannot be met by dipped headlights. Yes maybe you get more 'white out' with dipped headlights but at least you can be seen by others . Are lights that enable you to drive faster than perhaps you should really the solution? Maybe I am mistaken as I've seldom had a car with front fog lights, or more to the point, ever seen oncoming cars with front fog lights where I have felt 'that helps '.
But rear foglights are a really useful safety measure. . No just in fog but in rain heavy enough to produce lots of spray.
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Oh, I beg to differ. I have driven in conditions, more so in my early years, where front fog lights have made a massive difference. Headlights tend to reflect back to you whereas fog lights are mounted lower and get under the fog. They used to be amber years ago, and that too made a difference. Someone, no doubt, will explain the science behind it.
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Fog doesn't go right down to the ground. The idea of low-set fog lights is that they shine under the fog. However, with modern cars, you still have to have dipped headlights on, which causes bounceback negating the benefit of the fog lights. On an old Jaguar we had, the light switch went Off - Side - Main - Fog, switching out the main headlights in this last position. Somewhere along the line manufacturers did away with that system (probably for conformity in another region) but I believe it is legal to drive in fog with sidelights and two front foglights here in the UK.
It is illegal to use rear foglights in the rain.
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It is possible, I have driven my MKIII Jazz with just sidelights and fog lights. As you said, they are little use if you leave the headlights on.
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In fog. Front fog lights are there for showing road markings and edge of road. Dipped headlights are so you can be seen by other road users.
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Round here front fog lights are a massive help when finding your way along country roads with soft verges. Being low and with a wider spread it is much easier to pick out the edge of the road.
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The wiring in the vehicle harness may be there for fog and reversing lights on both sides (commonality), and the light cluster plug contacts the relevant harness supply, but you'll very often find the light cluster panels are different and use the same (mirrored) section for fog (red) one side and reverse (clear) the other.
It should only have one fog, leave it as is.
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However, with modern cars, you still have to have dipped headlights on, which causes bounceback negating the benefit of the fog lights.
It is illegal to use rear foglights in the rain.
Seems I have put the cat among the pigeons with this one. Its just my opinion. :-[
I agree about the Bounceback.
I disagree that its illegal to use rear fog lights in the rain . Highway Code rule 236 says
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
Law RVLR regs 25 & 27"
It does not specify fog. I agree normal rain does not justify rear fogs and would be illegal but heavy rain can seriously reduce visibility due mostly to spray from surface water ,which is arguably fog anyway. But i'd argue it could also apply to other things like a dust storm, smoke, falling snow .
The test I apply is if the outline of vehicles in front of me 'looms' into view BEFORE their standard rear lights are visible (assuming the idiot has them on) I'll put my rear fogs on. I have often experienced this situation in fog and heavy spray. As soon as standard rear lights are adequate I'll switch my rear fogs off.
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Rule 236 of the Highway Code refers to driving in fog, not in heavy rain.
5. Fog (234 to 236)
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Before entering fog check your mirrors then slow down. If ‘Fog’ is shown on a sign but the road is clear, be prepared for a bank of fog or drifting patchy fog ahead. Even if it seems to be clearing, you can suddenly find yourself in thick fog.
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When driving in fog you should
use your lights as required (see Rule 226)
keep a safe distance behind the vehicle in front. Rear lights can give a false sense of security
be able to pull up well within the distance you can see clearly. This is particularly important on motorways and dual carriageways, as vehicles are travelling faster
use your windscreen wipers and demisters
beware of other drivers not using headlights
not accelerate to get away from a vehicle which is too close behind you
check your mirrors before you slow down. Then use your brakes so that your brake lights warn drivers behind you that you are slowing down
stop in the correct position at a junction with limited visibility and listen for traffic. When you are sure it is safe to emerge, do so positively and do not hesitate in a position that puts you directly in the path of approaching vehicles.
236
You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced (see Rule 226) as they dazzle other road users and can obscure your brake lights. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves.
Law RVLR regs 25 & 27
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Oh what fun. ;D Highway code rule 226 -, overview for driving in adverse weather conditions (not yet specifically for fog ,rules 234 -236)
Rule 226
You MUST use headlights when visibility is seriously reduced, generally when you cannot see for more than 100 metres (328 feet).You may also use front or rear fog lights but you MUST switch them off when visibility improves (see Rule 236).
This overview does not refer specifically to fog, (other than referring to rule 236 which explains why having fog lights on at the wrong time is not a good idea. ) So its actually rule 226 that is my defence for using them in heavy spray - with a definition of what constitutes poor visibility - although I think mine is better. :P (I was wrong to cite rule 236)
And also the highway code is not the law , its the Road vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 section 27 that prohibits their use -
Rear fog lamp
(a)Used so as to cause undue dazzle or discomfort to the driver of a following vehicle.
(b)Used so as to be lit at any time other than in conditions of seriously reduced visibility.
(c)Save in the case of an emergency vehicle, used so as to be lit when a vehicle is parked.
There is no mention of fog.just 'conditions of seriously reduced visibility '
I would be very happy to argue my case in court on this , in Rex -vs- Voltermore ;D
The " man on the Clapham Omnibus" would surely think it absurd I could be penalised for minimising the chances of being rear ended because its the wrong type of reduced visibility.
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And I could equally argue that you driving ahead of me in heavy rain with a rear fog light on was causing me discomfort. See you in court. ;D
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And I could equally argue that you driving ahead of me in heavy rain with a rear fog light on was causing me discomfort. See you in court. ;D
If ,with my 20/20 vision,and windows properly clear of mist etc I couldnt see more than 100 metres at the time, then I could quite legitimately have rear fogs on. I'd say if you are blinded by them you are too close for the conditions. - or I have swept away some of the fog/spray for you. . I prefer to follow someone in fog as you know you can see the vehicle in front. As the 'pathfinder' into the unknown a poorly lit vehicle might suddenly appear.
But you do make a good point. If there is a vehicle behind you that can clearly see you, and probably wondering why you are driving so slow, then there is no longer a need to have your rear fogs on. . You would now be contravening the " used so as to cause undue dazzle..... " prohibition.
One for the lawyers in silly wigs perhaps. ;D
I'd just let you overtake, then follow you, and see how you like pathfinding into the unknown. :o And leave my rear fogs on while I am still 'tail end charlie'.
I sometimes put my hazards on if traffic is coming to an unexpected halt. As soon as the car behind me responds to the warning I turn them off.
We could become like the Wagatha Christie trial and sell the rights to Hollywood for a film version. The most suitable actors to play me might be too busy as the new James Bond. What actor would you have playing your part? 8)
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Have to be Harrison Ford. Blind as a bat with no idea where he is going.
I remember driving along the M8 one foggy night and I came up behind a line of cars in lane one doing about 35 mph, I could see about half a mile of them so I cautiously overtook until I reached the front - and could see nothing. I slowed to 35 mph and pulled into lane 1 then waited for the next "me" to drive to the front of the queue. Visibility was reasonable until you had no reference points to measure it by.