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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015-2020 => Topic started by: Thatch49 on May 27, 2022, 09:55:16 AM
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Just purchased 2019 Jazz Ex Navi with very low mileage. Garage (Honda Dealer) uses Petronas Syntium 7000 Hybrid SAE 0W-20 engine oil amd I have bought a litre just in case engine needs topping up. For the next couple of years I will use main dealer as I got a couple of free services when I purchased the car. They say they use this oil on all their Jazz cars. When my free services are used up I will revert to a local garage I have used for the last 15 years. The handbook says a 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is acceptable instead of 0W-20 and I used Castrol Magnatec in my old car. The Honda mechanic says this will damage the filters etc on the Jazz - is this right ? According to the Halfords car checker the 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is the correct one.
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Welcome. I would say you are being told porkies. Many Honda dealers use many different oils as do many members here.
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Thanks. That's the conclusion I was coming to.
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Just purchased 2019 Jazz Ex Navi with very low mileage. Garage (Honda Dealer) uses Petronas Syntium 7000 Hybrid SAE 0W-20 engine oil amd I have bought a litre just in case engine needs topping up. For the next couple of years I will use main dealer as I got a couple of free services when I purchased the car. They say they use this oil on all their Jazz cars. When my free services are used up I will revert to a local garage I have used for the last 15 years. The handbook says a 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is acceptable instead of 0W-20 and I used Castrol Magnatec in my old car. The Honda mechanic says this will damage the filters etc on the Jazz - is this right ? According to the Halfords car checker the 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is the correct one.
GK3 and GK5 Jazz do not have filters apart from the kat, and an A5/B5 oil is good for catalitic converters. Cars with particulate filters (such as the present Jazz e-HEV) should or must use ACEA C2/C3 oils, our 1.3 Honda does not have a GPF.
If possible, go on with a 0w20 oil: the SAE 0W20 is the factory fill oil for Hondas since 2001, it's the best oil until the engine starts to consume oil, when a thicker lubricant will be more appropriate. You're lucky, in UK you have plenty of avaiability of these oils https://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/honda-oils-fluids-information/0w-20/
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Just purchased 2019 Jazz Ex Navi with very low mileage. Garage (Honda Dealer) uses Petronas Syntium 7000 Hybrid SAE 0W-20 engine oil amd I have bought a litre just in case engine needs topping up. For the next couple of years I will use main dealer as I got a couple of free services when I purchased the car. They say they use this oil on all their Jazz cars. When my free services are used up I will revert to a local garage I have used for the last 15 years. The handbook says a 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is acceptable instead of 0W-20 and I used Castrol Magnatec in my old car. The Honda mechanic says this will damage the filters etc on the Jazz - is this right ? According to the Halfords car checker the 5W-30W A5/B5 oil is the correct one.
GK3 and GK5 Jazz do not have filters apart from the kat, and an A5/B5 oil is good for catalitic converters. Cars with particulate filters (such as the present Jazz e-HEV) should or must use ACEA C2/C3 oils, our 1.3 Honda does not have a GPF.
If possible, go on with a 0w20 oil: the SAE 0W20 is the factory fill oil for Hondas since 2001, it's the best oil until the engine starts to consume oil, when a thicker lubricant will be more appropriate. You're lucky, in UK you have plenty of avaiability of these oils https://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/honda-oils-fluids-information/0w-20/
I do not understand why a Honda dealer is promoting the Petronas oil for your Jazz and not a Honda product, Honda sell a 0W-20 oil, surely Honda, having designed and manufactured the engine must know a fact or two about the lubrication requirements of the engine, here is a link to Honda engine oils :
https://hondadirectparts.co.uk/parts/category/honda-jazz-genuine-parts/jazz-2016/engine-service-kits-jazz-2015/
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I do not understand why a Honda dealer is promoting the Petronas oil for your Jazz and not a Honda product, Honda sell a 0W-20 oil, surely Honda, having designed and manufactured the engine must know a fact or two about the lubrication requirements of the engine, here is a link to Honda engine oils :
https://hondadirectparts.co.uk/parts/category/honda-jazz-genuine-parts/jazz-2016/engine-service-kits-jazz-2015/
I don't know in UK, but in Italy some Honda dealers are ALSO Nissan and/or Toyota and/or Suzuki and/or other brand dealers, and oils are the same for all vehicles entering in the workshop. Petronas is used for FIat/AlfaRomeo/Jeep cars, maybe it is cheaper than Honda or Castrol products.
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Honda engines have very fine tolerances, so do nt need thick oil. They run on thinner oils, and this helps also to give good fuel economy.
Dealers will promote whatever oil they are contracted to use. Petronas is good quality.
The Honda branded oil is made by one of the big oil companies anyway.
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Use the correct synthetic 0W-20 grade oil that meets the standard recommended by Honda.
If you follow the service intervals and lubricants recommended by Honda, you shouldn't need to worry about oil grades.
If you trust your independent garage for future servicing, then do as I do and supply them with the correct oil, sump plug washer and oil filter for the engine oil change.
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Thanks to everyone who replied. The links to places where I can buy the recommended Honda oil are particularly useful. My independent garage is quite happy for me to supply the oil as he won't be able to get it himself locally.
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Thanks to everyone who replied. The links to places where I can buy the recommended Honda oil are particularly useful. My independent garage is quite happy for me to supply the oil as he won't be able to get it himself locally.
do you get a rebate on your service if you supply your own oil, filter and copper washer? as the oil is over £50 for 0w20
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I find that a slightly confusing question to be honest...
Surely you wouldn't expect them to be billing you for the consumables you've supplied?
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Perhaps they do a fixed price service plan. It is like if you order a meal in a restaurant and ask them to hold the salad they don't reduce the price you are charged.
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Perhaps they do a fixed price service plan. It is like if you order a meal in a restaurant and ask them to hold the salad they don't reduce the price you are charged.
That's a poor analogy... ???
Garages tend to buy the more common standard spec oil in bulk, and independent garages will often use aftermarket filters etc to bolster their profit margins.
So yes, it's fair to expect to not get billed for their oil and filter (or even salad ;D) but the overall bill will most likely not be discounted to the tune of the full cost of the supplied genuine consumables.
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I don't receive a rebate as such. I just don't get charged for the oil as I supplied it. I don't supply filters or washers.
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IMO the correct specification is more important than Brand. There is a lot of 'own label' packaging in the lubricating oil industry, and there is only a limited number of oil fields ,each producing a different quality of crude oil that has to be refined to a consistent specification of base stock, by a limited number of oil refineries. A few major oil companies may produce their own unique product with their own additives with fancy names, but many oil blenders use additives made by massive internationally known chemical companies such as BASF.
For Instance 'Comma oil' is seen as a bit of a budget brand in the UK. Originally independent blenders, they were then owned by Esso, then Mobil Exxon, and currently by a Brazilian Company, who produce Mobil products in the South American region. Trucks leave The Comma site in uk with both Comma and Mobil logos. Comma claim to have packaged 'own label' oil for Toyota, Landrover etc. So is this Mobil oil, Comma oil, or specially made oil?
Or is it the same stuff with customers paying a premium price for a well advertised name?
If Honda factory fill a Jazz with synthetic 0W20 oil I cannot see why anyone would want to revert to anything less to save a few quid. 5W30 may be an acceptable substitute, on some older models or high mileage cars but its a thicker oil that may not circulate as easily, especially in colder weather.This will increase fuel consumption.
Honda dealerships may use various brand names, depending on who gives them the best price. But it should be the correct quality and specification. Some may be Suzuki etc dealerships as well as Honda and may share oil from the same drum.
I can see the appeal of providing your own oil to a small independent. If they have a drum of 5w30 in the workshop that dispenses a measured dose they may be tempted to use that, rather than go to the trouble of sourcing the correct stuff.
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For my Mk 1 i-DSi engine Honda recommends 5W-30 but says I can also use 0W-20. With almost 150K on the clock I stick to 5W-30. Even with that my engine uses oil.
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I don't receive a rebate as such. I just don't get charged for the oil as I supplied it. I don't supply filters or washers.
Personally I would supply the genuine 'Honda' oil filter too.
In a similar fashion to the oil, Honda won't make the filters, but their quality control will ensure the filter meets their specification for performance and reliability.
They may be a few quid more, but at least you'll know it's the right bit of kit for the job.
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For my Mk 1 i-DSi engine Honda recommends 5W-30 but says I can also use 0W-20. With almost 150K on the clock I stick to 5W-30. Even with that my engine uses oil.
Oil is improving all the time and car makers tend to add the newer grades to the recommended list (if also suitable) They can improve mpg in cold starts etc. But also a good arguement for saying "if 5w30 was good enough when the car was new, its good enough now." With a high mileage engine that uses oil I too would use to 5w30
-even in cold and woolly Scotland :P
I don't receive a rebate as such. I just don't get charged for the oil as I supplied it. I don't supply filters or washers.
Personally I would supply the genuine 'Honda' oil filter too.
In a similar fashion to the oil, Honda won't make the filters, but their quality control will ensure the filter meets their specification for performance and reliability.
They may be a few quid more, but at least you'll know it's the right bit of kit for the job.
A good idea. There are lots of rubbish after-market filters out there. Some are little more than tin cans filled with toilet tissue, or may be missing by pass valves etc. Garages doing fixed price servicing including parts may go a step too far in economy parts.
But make sure you buy the 'genuine Honda' filter from a reputable and reliable source. There are aftermarket makers in the far east selling filters wholesale for as little as 50p each, who if you buy enough will print the filter and boxes with your own logo. Fair enough if its "Freds cheapo auto spares" but my understanding is some wont care if you ask for the branding to imitate a reputable filter brand, or car manufacturer >:(
Personally I am less fussy about using after market air and cabin filters .Most do a good enough job. I usually change these myself. They are not always included in budget servicing anyway,or conveniently 'forgotten ' by the mechanic.
The op mentions 'washers' presumably meaning drain plug washers. Servicing garages tend to suck the old oil out through the dip stick tube rather than removing a drain plug. :P Saves problems with having to stock a variety of washers, possibly damaging the sump, not tightening it correctly, oil leaks etc.
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https://8g.hondaclub.cz/files/J_Jetter_Honda_042109.pdf
Pages 7 to 14.
EUDM and JDM models mainly use 0W20 oils as factory fill, Castrol for EU, Idemitsu for Japan.
Note that recommended oil viscosity for EUDM differs from USDM, mainly due to different fuels.
So it's not a good idea to buy oils from USA and fill EU engines, they could not be the best choice.