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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: Kremmen on December 02, 2021, 06:59:57 AM
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Gentlemen - start your engines :
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Instructions courtesy of Peteo48:
1) You purchase a USB Stick (16 gb).
2) You go to your car and start the engine and put the USB stick into a USB port. This will download the car's requirements to the USB stick.
3) You go back to your computer and download the new maps onto the USB stick - this will take 2 to 3 hours.
4) You then go back to the car, start the engine and put the USB stick back in and follow the on screen instructions. You must keep the engine running at all times!
5) After an hour, providing your car hasn't been hijacked or you haven't died from carbon monoxide poisoning, you check whether the download is complete.
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I laughed too loud at the fifth item 😆
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It took about 15 minutes when I did it. I didn't start the henjin, I just turned on the infotainment screen.
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I don’t think I’ll bother this time - maybe only once a year.
It told me my memory stick from last time was out of date, so I’d have to go through the whole procedure every time.
It’s such a complicated procedure, other cars I’ve had you just downloaded the map to a memory stick and plugged it into the car.
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Does this fix the lack of traffic info?
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I think the traffic info is permanently gone (with Garmin) - it used to come in through the radio signal, but apparently was 30 minutes out of date.
Honda cancelled the contract, so we are left with no cover. A satnav without traffic/etc isn't much use.
Even an old 2011 car I used to have had traffic via the radio signal and it was fairly up to date.
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I must admit that in the rush hours where traffic was constantly changing the TMC RDS was useless. It was not unusual for the M25 tailback to be anything up to 5 miles wrong, sometimes more.
But, not having any traffic does prevent other problems like not diverting you round long term roadworks.
Given a choice I'd rather have poor traffic than none.
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Regarding traffic is it better (providing you have an I-phone on Ios 12 or above) to use a downloaded Google map and data via Apple Car play. I’m considering that as an alternative but doubtless some members may be aware of problems or caveats with that approach?
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You could use Waze or any of the Smartphone mapping systems with Android Auto or Apple equivalent. TBH I rarely use built in navigation systems because it is so much easier to use Smartphone Apps which have up to date mapping and excellent traffic info. I suspect that built in SatNavs will soon be a thing of the past like CD players, tape players and spare wheels!
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You could use Waze or any of the Smartphone mapping systems with Android Auto or Apple equivalent. TBH I rarely use built in navigation systems because it is so much easier to use Smartphone Apps which have up to date mapping and excellent traffic info. I suspect that built in SatNavs will soon be a thing of the past like CD players, tape players and spare wheels!
Yes, new model Toyota Yaris no longer have built in SatNav's
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My maps were updated as part of the standard service so I'll just get mine done annually by the dealer, saves a lot of hassle
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My maps were updated as part of the standard service so I'll just get mine done annually by the dealer, saves a lot of hassle
Garmin maps normally get updates three times a year...
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Honda Garmin maps get updates once a year...
Have corrected that for you.
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My drive 51 is on 2022-20 already, why are built in satnavs updates different to stand alone ones ? The roads actually change more quickly than you think and once a year may not be enough
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My maps were updated as part of the standard service so I'll just get mine done annually by the dealer, saves a lot of hassle
Yes - that would be my preferred option. I successfully updated the maps on my Mark3 in 2020 but it was a laborious process and I've already forgotten how to do it.
I asked Holdcroft Honda in Warrington for a quote for them to do it - £149!!!!!!!!!!!
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Correction - it was £114 by Holdsworth Honda. I remember when I enquired being told by the lady on service reception "just use your phone luv - it's what I do even though I've got built in sat nav in my car."
I've just downloaded the Android Auto App. I might give it a go.
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I just find phone screens too small for navigation.
Plus I'm not happy about how hot they get in navigation mode.
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I just find phone screens too small for navigation.
Plus I'm not happy about how hot they get in navigation mode.
You don’t use the phone screen, you use Android Auto or the iPhone equivalent (both built into new Jazz, Crosstar and HR-V) the map and guidance are then shown in exactly the same way on the same screen as the built in SatNav display, voice guidance is through car speakers exactly the same as built in SatNav audio. It’s no different to using a built in SatNav!
Why aren’t you happy with how they get into navigation mode?
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My problem with that is that I use the USB slot to play my music via a memory stick. My phone is used to run Speedtrap Alert that gives accurate verbal warnings via the car system. Works very well.
I've hardwired in a Garmin DS61 that does everything I need including Garmins live traffic.
By using both the built in and the PND I can display, miles to go, time to go and arrival time.
If only the Honda Garmin built in could link to SmartphoneLink to display traffic.
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I sometimes think I over think all this. I almost never need sat nav because, 95% of the time, I'm going somewhere I've already been!
When I had my very first sat nav - a Navman - I never updated it and it got me where I needed to go for 5 years or more.
I do understand, however, not everybody has my driving profile and traffic updates can be be very useful hence my interest in Android Auto - I've downloaded the App and I've got the right connector (my phone won't support wireless connection).
I was just reflecting - back in the day I used to drive through France on Euro Camp holidays with the kids and sat navs weren't a thing back then. I often wonder how I did it!
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I was just reflecting - back in the day I used to drive through France on Euro Camp holidays with the kids and sat navs weren't a thing back then. I often wonder how I did it!
You just did like most others of that age, got out the map, wrote down major towns and villages on the route and road numbers if required and set off.... It did require forward planning which seems to be sadly lacking in these days of instant delivery and automated everything.. I used to have a see-through pocket on motorbike tank with route written out.. I still carry map book in car, god knows they are cheap enough - even with satnay I like to check route .. My B-in-Law said when he got his first satnav 'I get to places now and have no idea how I got there'.... says it all really 8)
Traveling without satnav / waze / google maps etc means you actually have to look at road signs though, which can be a major distraction from messing with phone or other in-car toys....
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Yes - study the map, note towns and villages along with road numbers and turn left or right. I used to stick the note to the dashboard.
I still look at a map before doing a longer trip.
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Maybe it’s an age thing but I always have an up to date Road Atlas with me and check Satnav routes, best thing is you know where you are going and what is around you that might be of interest or worth a diversion. Also if there is a hold up I can plot an alternative route to my destination away from the obvious ‘diversion’ Satnavs will direct all drivers on to. Saved hours last summer on route to Cornwall when M5 was blocked solid and I could see from Satnav where the alternative route would take drivers with satnavs - used map and plotted an alternative route - bit longer - but little traffic and got me to my destination easily missing delay spots.
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Yes - I asked for an updated Road Atlas for a Christmas present. I am a bit sad, I like maps :)
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Yes - I asked for an updated Road Atlas for a Christmas present. I am a bit sad, I like maps :)
You are not alone. Maps are simply the best for route planning.
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I like maps :)
Maps are simply the best for route planning.
I agree, but which one do you prefer? Our (Honda) Garmin maps, Google Maps, TomTom, OpenStreetMap, Waze, Here or maybe you have another preference?
For example, I think LocusMap is very good for cycling trips. Much better when you ride a bike than what we used in the good old days: a square yard of paper... ;D
Even behind the wheel in the car, that paper is quite a mess...
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The problem I've always had with road atlas's in the car is that as they are big and there is nowhere to store them so they soon get dog-eared and pages start dropping out.
I'm very happy to use a Satnav; my wife and I have far fewer arguments about our route than we used to; we both now swear at the Satnav!
If I'm on a long trip on my motorcycle I put a Satnav in my pocket and listen to the guidance voice with ear-buds. I use a power pack to extend the life of the Satnav battery.
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In those "good old days" I also came everywhere with (detailed) paper maps. Folded so that the required part is visible. In the photo (map in plastic for rainy days) on top of the handlebar bag. Don't ask what they looked like after a few days. Can you imagine how many maps you needed (and threw away after use) on a journey of more than 1650 km. (about 1050 mi.) from The Hague (Netherlands) to Barcelona or the Polish-Belarus border...?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aU7MYWz7oCAMciDadjT0uTWkQyuHJWrncqE2w3MrSXJILTw1PVE1excT7tbHxt_nbXdsUxMoajgjh79DZBWEzG_oxHa3ufeA9pAR7SywdYAJOCgL76TmsmvRGbkPJDLqaqpQaVoq3kvFaTeO4XIx3mKXhst9PpBDl5DOrLedKgdvtuPws1KcDruklAWVBaT7x8PnN71PssysMZVICplxrxRKpXrY_0LfQa4ysLXP3wCfOarPcrlvi7m4XG9aHnKJwdgaq8WEXkry0DXXGZFKnYYqnqfxkAm0rOxXGUde75AEmxIN1fb5WWCbcziGS6mlHEBQyohmQjhsTmG_U1wpboIk-x91Oz0WPPu7bl93AXRr1DaN8GRv6vwNMKJnWBzGbjQkKgrm-S8XQawDT41AeYe0fs4OLTrrxNCe_r-sT2rucUf08KRfYYUv7nBo_LOf5lliMi-ylYaWu3xJPdB4aR7sZ8tjpC0o_1hYqFTWpyPwSDscbBeQ4410xg-UHc2CtSOg2rzPEg7oRmPJ6D1XgcfH31kWgqJP22DbBxwkiNobomgltxp1CA3w-cXtpvSgsBTfGxJY8PliBjOKg2INJMhtqZhEM2Bg9RnpUUKBUtVZd-itmrY2rQ9v0oKZRwsDiD0ASbR_v_uul0FfIcX4ejFHUahlsWTswcYUf0l1S162MFtwwxE6ys8hFV_aWPBrqfUmwObv6pCK2t_KeYPLnJo=w899-h674-no?authuser=0)
Photo taken in the north of Poland (Masurian lake district).
That was the good old days. Now we do it like this:
(https://portal.bikeworld.pl/multimedia/foto/small/Makula_Tomasz_157_6ecfb.jpg)
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They seem to have a different definition of 100%
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Didn’t take too long, whole process from initially activating the usb to finishing the update was under half an hour.
I wish they would remove the initial step of having to activate the usb stick in the car first every time there is a new update though.
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Not just me then, I had that post #18 :
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=13868.15
What I don't understand is that I updated mine a short while ago to 2022.10 but Garmin Express is flagging a map update still !
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Let’s hope it’s not a second version of the same update as was the case apparently with issues with 2021 v1.0?
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In those "good old days" I also came everywhere with (detailed) paper maps. Folded so that the required part is visible. In the photo (map in plastic for rainy days) on top of the handlebar bag. Don't ask what they looked like after a few days. Can you imagine how many maps you needed (and threw away after use) on a journey of more than 1650 km. (about 1050 mi.) from The Hague (Netherlands) to Barcelona or the Polish-Belarus border...?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/aU7MYWz7oCAMciDadjT0uTWkQyuHJWrncqE2w3MrSXJILTw1PVE1excT7tbHxt_nbXdsUxMoajgjh79DZBWEzG_oxHa3ufeA9pAR7SywdYAJOCgL76TmsmvRGbkPJDLqaqpQaVoq3kvFaTeO4XIx3mKXhst9PpBDl5DOrLedKgdvtuPws1KcDruklAWVBaT7x8PnN71PssysMZVICplxrxRKpXrY_0LfQa4ysLXP3wCfOarPcrlvi7m4XG9aHnKJwdgaq8WEXkry0DXXGZFKnYYqnqfxkAm0rOxXGUde75AEmxIN1fb5WWCbcziGS6mlHEBQyohmQjhsTmG_U1wpboIk-x91Oz0WPPu7bl93AXRr1DaN8GRv6vwNMKJnWBzGbjQkKgrm-S8XQawDT41AeYe0fs4OLTrrxNCe_r-sT2rucUf08KRfYYUv7nBo_LOf5lliMi-ylYaWu3xJPdB4aR7sZ8tjpC0o_1hYqFTWpyPwSDscbBeQ4410xg-UHc2CtSOg2rzPEg7oRmPJ6D1XgcfH31kWgqJP22DbBxwkiNobomgltxp1CA3w-cXtpvSgsBTfGxJY8PliBjOKg2INJMhtqZhEM2Bg9RnpUUKBUtVZd-itmrY2rQ9v0oKZRwsDiD0ASbR_v_uul0FfIcX4ejFHUahlsWTswcYUf0l1S162MFtwwxE6ys8hFV_aWPBrqfUmwObv6pCK2t_KeYPLnJo=w899-h674-no?authuser=0)
Photo taken in the north of Poland (Masurian lake district).
That was the good old days. Now we do it like this:
(https://portal.bikeworld.pl/multimedia/foto/small/Makula_Tomasz_157_6ecfb.jpg)
Still have the SatNav (Pleitshier) on my classic Tourer……
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Sometimes, Garmin PND's do the same.
What seems to happen with them is after the update, it checks that it's worked and registers success. If you unplug too soon it can't check but next time you plug it into the PC and fire up GE it works and removes the update flag.
I wonder if, because the Honda update scenario is different, it was expecting us to bring the USB stick back indoors when complete and plug it in to register success.
Trying to do it retrospectively maybe won't work because as you say, it wants an updated car to USB file.
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Yep, that fixed it.
Went out and reloaded the USB in the car.
Came back in and no update flag :
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Hello,
I have the same problem, on Garmin Express it appears that there is still the map update to be done,
how did you solve it?
I did this procedure:
1) USB key formatted to FAT32
2) USB key inserted in the navigator and done the update
3) USB key inserted in Garmin Express and downloaded new map
4) USB key inserted in the navigator and updated.
Now, however, the presence of a new map to download remains on Garmin Express, where am I wrong?
How did you solve this?
Thanks for the info
(Sorry for the mistakes I used Google translate)
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Exactly as posted above ......
Go out to the car with formatted USB stick and reload.
Come back in, plug USB stick into PC and start Garmin Express
GE will read the stick, see it has 2022.10 logged and will remove the update flag.
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Hello,
so I have to add this sequence if I understand correctly:
5) Format the FAT 32 key again
6) Insert the USB key back into the navigator and search for updates
7) Re-insert the key into Garmin Express and seeing that the navigator is updated will delete the tick that warns that there is a new update.
If it's correct, I'll do the test this afternoon.
Thanks for the info
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That's it :)
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Hello,
thanks i did as you said (reinsert the formatted usb stick in the machine etc. etc.) and the check mark on the Garmin Express is gone.
Everything perfect now
Thank you