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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: Cyclewalkbob on November 19, 2021, 08:23:55 PM
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Hi,
There are a number of paint protection finishes out ther - Autoglym, Ceramic, Graphine etc.
The dealer wants £395 to put the the Autoglym Lifetime coating on and Ceramic starts at £500+ but still need careful washing to maintain the finish.
I am thinking of not taking up the dealers offer nor Ceramic but perhaps buy the Autoglym kit and put it on myself or even just wax the car then top up with “Bobby Dazzler” ( a synthetic coating that you spray on after washing. This allows rain beading and run off) between waxwings.
I have used this on my Motorhome and CV-R for the last 10 years and get a good finish for a lot less money.
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Bob
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Hi,
There are a number of paint protection finishes out ther - Autoglym, Ceramic, Graphine etc.
The dealer wants £395 to put the the Autoglym Lifetime coating on and Ceramic starts at £500+ but still need careful washing to maintain the finish.
I am thinking of not taking up the dealers offer nor Ceramic but perhaps buy the Autoglym kit and put it on myself or even just wax the car then top up with “Bobby Dazzler” ( a synthetic coating that you spray on after washing. This allows rain beading and run off) between waxwings.
I have used this on my Motorhome and CV-R for the last 10 years and get a good finish for a lot less money.
Any thoughts?
Cheers
Bob
We had the diamond shine applied by dealers on both our Jazz and Civic, I must admit ( I am allergic to cleaning cars ) that many years later our cars still look good after natures carwash ( rain ) and get cleaned by me only every second blue moon.
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I'm no expert but I have watched a lot of YouTube videos on detailing (very sad). The consensus seems to be that they are over priced at the dealer and, on top of that, it is suspected that the preparation of the paintwork to remove all contaminants (even on new cars) is skipped and the products just slapped on. The products themselves are not necessarily bad products but you might be better getting a specialist detailer to apply them properly.
That said, I have got Gardx on my new car. The dealer wanted £399 but I refused. They then offered it me for £150 so I decided to take it more out of curiosity than anything. That the price can be miraculously more than halved I think tells you all you need to know about how these products are priced. You can get the kits on Ebay for around £30!
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I had the Autoglym lifeshine on my Jazz.
Unfortunately I had to take it back twice as they hadn’t cleaned runoff from the application.
On my previous cars I haven’t had it and they still looked good at 10 years old with just a wash/wax applied (Autoglym wash.)
You could pay a professional a few hundred to have a ceramic coating applied properly- I’d probably recommend that if you wanted a coating.
Even with the lifeshine I had a few bad stone chips on the bonnet.
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Dont waste your money mate. Buy a good quality treatment aftermarket and apply it yourself. Me, I just put it through a car wash with wax applied occasionally. As I change cars every 3 years or so, I don't worry about what happens 10 years down the line. if youre planning on keeping a long time, I can see how you would perhaps give this more thought. ;D
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I use Turtle Wax ICE SEAL N SHINE HYBRID SEALANT SPRAY WAX
Cheap but not lifetime protection- only up to 6 months , application easy and no need to apply to much of the sealant.
Started use only after 7 months from car purchase - seen that factory coating not repelling water anymore, had to polish car gently then applied turtle wax sealant.
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Another vote for 'they are a waste of money'
Dealers often misrepresent 'paint protection'. The only slight protection they might help with is bird droppings.
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I use Turtle Wax ICE SEAL N SHINE HYBRID SEALANT SPRAY WAX
Cheap but not lifetime protection- only up to 6 months , application easy and no need to apply to much of the sealant.
Started use only after 7 months from car purchase - seen that factory coating not repelling water anymore, had to polish car gently then applied turtle wax sealant.
Yeah, Turtle Wax is often seen as being a "once good" brand which is easily outperformed. IMHO, Auto-Glym falls into that same bracket these days (although perceived as high-end). However, as you say, they have this line of Wax hybrid products which are really ace - both in terms of longevity and price. Very good indeed.
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Car wax of old was that horrible stuff that dried to a haze then when polished off pushed visible white residue into all the cracks. Also if you got any on black rubber or plastic it was a nightmare to get off.
These days I use the spray waxes, mostly the washless type that can be sprayed almost anywhere and polish up nicely.
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I've used Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic wax (spray) and the result is quite pleasing. The paint is super shiny and soft/smooth to the touch. And after several weeks the water still beads off nicely. Bird droppings also wash off easily.
Disadvantage of a greasy spray like this is that it easily gets onto rubber seals, plastics and windows, so you have to spend some extra time cleaning those (at least I do 'cause I'm a bit of a maniac ;)).
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I've still got a few bottles of Mantis waterless wash in stock.
That can be sprayed everywhere (except windscreen of course) and it polishes off nicely as it contains caranuba wax.
When done, drop cloth on bonnet, if it slides off, proper job.
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So you have to spend some extra time cleaning those (at least I do 'cause I'm a bit of a maniac ;)).
My next door neighbour thinks I'm an absolute nutjob, as I'm always making sure our family vehicles are pristine (even in winter).
In truth, it's because I had two herniated discs this year and bending / stretching is bloody good exercise for my back! That also helps me explain to my wife why I just spent another 40 quid on cleaning products...
"It's not just any wax my dear, it's ceramic so it lasts longer!
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When I worked I used to like to get the worst off each weekend.
In winter I could often be seen with a bucket of bubbles and a car brush, in the rain, waterproof yellow jacket and trousers.
As I washed, the fain rinsed.
Now if you want funny looks that works a treat.
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Car wax of old was that horrible stuff that dried to a haze then when polished off pushed visible white residue into all the cracks. Also if you got any on black rubber or plastic it was a nightmare to get off.
That's my mistake.
I'm still trying to use up that stuff.
Well, maybe once or twice a year. >:(
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I've had my 14 year old Yaris from new. Always outside . I treated it myself with Turtle wax gloss guard ,top coat sealer when it was new and maybe once or twice more in its early years. Very rarely waxed. The paint is still as good as new.
But its not predominantly somewhere that gets excessive droppings from birds or insects, or sap and the like from foliage , where more frequent care is probably a good idea.
Another benefit of applying your own treatments is you are more likely to spot problems such as stone chips.
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Another vote for 'they are a waste of money'
Dealers often misrepresent 'paint protection'. The only slight protection they might help with is bird droppings.
I can only speak from experience - my Civic is 10 years old now and never really gets cleaned ( maybe an occasional hosepipe brush with shampoo stick in winter to remover salt, but other than that not a lot ) wifes Jazz is 8 years old and same story.... If you plan to keep a car for a couple of years, maybe not considered worth it, but if you keep cars longer like we do and do not want to spend half of UK GDP on cleaning products and esoteric magic claybars etc. IMHO it is worth having it done. Just like feminists used to say 'life is too short to peel mushrooms' I say ' life is too short to clean cars' - I keep them in tip top condition as far as the oily bits are concerned, but waxing - Nahhhh
All I will do is remove bird droppings as soon as I see them, and use AutoGlym Super resin on the headlight plastic about once a month, I originally bought the super resin to clean up our PVC window frames and doors, but then I found out you were supposed to use it on cars Dooohhhhh!
We do have a garage, but that is for motorbikes, cars not allowed !
The neighbours on either side spend ages cleaning their car, one spends minimum 30 minutes a day, the other one about 2 hours once a week in one session, and their cars do not really look any better than ours.
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I haven't washed a car in the last 10 years.
When they are really dirty we drive to a car wash where they are washed by hand (two bucket method). Also vacuum and sometimes have the windows cleaned and that's it! Maybe 5, at most 6 times a year.
Takes half an hour to an hour with a cup of coffee in the waiting area.
Costs on an annual basis no more than doing it yourself with "premium" car wax or whatever "premium" stuff you put on the paint... And certainly less sweat and wet feet and trouser legs
After years they were still in pristine condition, so I assume that the Jazz will still look good in years to come.
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Another vote for 'they are a waste of money'
Dealers often misrepresent 'paint protection'. The only slight protection they might help with is bird droppings.
I can only speak from experience - my Civic is 10 years old now and never really gets cleaned ( maybe an occasional hosepipe brush with shampoo stick in winter to remover salt, but other than that not a lot ) wifes Jazz is 8 years old and same story.... If you plan to keep a car for a couple of years, maybe not considered worth it, but if you keep cars longer like we do and do not want to spend half of UK GDP on cleaning products and esoteric magic claybars etc. IMHO it is worth having it done. Just like feminists used to say 'life is too short to peel mushrooms' I say ' life is too short to clean cars' - I keep them in tip top condition as far as the oily bits are concerned, but waxing - Nahhhh
All I will do is remove bird droppings as soon as I see them, and use AutoGlym Super resin on the headlight plastic about once a month, I originally bought the super resin to clean up our PVC window frames and doors, but then I found out you were supposed to use it on cars Dooohhhhh!
We do have a garage, but that is for motorbikes, cars not allowed !
The neighbours on either side spend ages cleaning their car, one spends minimum 30 minutes a day, the other one about 2 hours once a week in one session, and their cars do not really look any better than ours.
I think there is a lot in what you say about some of the incredibly complex car cleaning and protecting methods that you see these days. Clay bars are a case in point. Essentially a bit of plasticine, you rub this over your paint after a wash with a "lubricant" to physically remove "bonded contaminants" - it's even accepted that this will "mar" your paint but, not to worry, you can grind the damage away with a compound applied with a rotary polisher. After that you have to use a panel wipe of some sort to removes the oils left behind by the compound before you can put a protective product on the paint like a wax or a "ceramic" spray.
I speak as somebody who has, to some extent, fallen for the hype because I do like a clean car but we had clean shiny cars before all these pastes, potions and waxes were invented. Even using a sponge results in howls of anguish from the detailing community and don't even mention a chamois leather!
I am currently in recovery :D
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I am currently in recovery :D
I am fully recovered...
I think it's high time to throw out this old box, somewhere deep in a corner in the garage with (if I remember well) Meguiar's Ultimate products.
They must be way past their expiry date anyway, I suspect.
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The bottom line for me is why pay a dealer ~£300 for something you can do yourself for a fraction (1/15) of that price.
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I can only offer personal experience and views, others will differ.
Modern car paint processes are pretty good generally. I recently parted with a 21yr old Yaris in silver which apart from actual scratches here and there and a few chips on the leading surfaces from grit etc, the paint was in excellent condition, the clear coat had not deteriorated at all. (think back to the Ford Silver Fox paint of the 1970's which actually peeled off in sheets :o ).
I don't particularly pamper the cars (well. one I do but that's different). It got washed a few times a year, maybe half a dozen, with Autoglym Shampoo which helps maintain a protective layer. Once a year it got a treat with Autoglym Resin Polish (wax), usually in autumn to give it a bit of boost for winter.
As others suggest, just make sure to clean off any poop etc promptly.
Dealers offer these treatments as add-on cash boosters, and fair enough if it fulfills your wishes, I wouldn't say don't, it's up to you, but I can't help feeling it's rather unnecessary expense. If the car is worth spending that sort of cash then you'll be looking after it anyway, so regular(ish) washing with a decent shampoo product will probably offer all the maintenance it really needs.
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A good rule of thumb may be if rain water beads you are fine. If it doesn't bead give it a wax.
I suspect that some people who frequently wash and polish their cars are making things worse. They may be rubbing more off the paint surface than they are applying as a protective finish. Especially if they use a slightly abrasive paint renovator product or are less than scrupulous about washing off surface dirt and grit.
I always hand wash my car myself. I haven't used a car wash for about 10 years. And then only because I was in Austria where it is illegal (at least in some areas) to wash your own car even on your own property. You must use a licenced car wash that recovers waste water, detergent etc. It was one of those automated rotary flappy things. I cringe going through those. They get gritty unless well maintained, and avoid in cold weather in case they freeze and flay your car with ice particles.
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I've not used a rotary wash for more than 40 years.
A friend used one back then but the previous car had his wing mirror ripped off. Unfortunately it was caught in the bristles and battered his car to death.