Post by: Tytus on October 08, 2021, 10:11:28 AM
Can you please tell me,
There is a hope for towing bar/ towing a small trailer or bike racks, on the tow hitch, for the MK4/hybrid?
Towing options/ specs?
Thank you.
Post by: Deathstar on October 08, 2021, 12:49:30 PM
Post by: Tytus on October 08, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
PS: This is my current Jazz(2003),83HP, towing 350kg with no problem, I want a new one, but lack of towing options.
Post by: Jazzist on October 08, 2021, 04:00:09 PM
Not on the MK4 there is not, it’s not type approved for a towbar.I have an approved detachable towbar of the brand Brink under the car. I am only allowed a bikecarrier with a maximum total weight of 70 kg. (carrier + bikes). Not towing a trailer (official)
Post by: Tytus on October 08, 2021, 04:13:14 PM
Can you make some real pictures of it please?
Post by: DERMOT on October 08, 2021, 04:18:02 PM
Has link to brink fitting instructions. Only for bike carrier.
Toyota Auris hybrid also had zero towing dating, as Does the current hybrid camry.I
I think more not worth type approval costs rather than ability
Post by: Jazzist on October 08, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Nice , a little bikes hope at least,
Can you make some real pictures of it please?
Post by: Deathstar on October 08, 2021, 11:05:01 PM
I’m talking about the UK, and not NL.Not on the MK4 there is not, it’s not type approved for a towbar.I have an approved detachable towbar of the brand Brink under the car. I am only allowed a bikecarrier with a maximum total weight of 70 kg. (carrier + bikes). Not towing a trailer (official)
Illegal to even fit it in the UK no matter it’s use.
Post by: Jazzik on October 08, 2021, 11:47:03 PM
It is quite possible that the regulations there, just like in the Netherlands and here in Poland, are different than in the UK... Tow bar allowed, but only for a bike carrier.
Post by: Deathstar on October 09, 2021, 07:32:17 AM
Post by: richardfrost on October 09, 2021, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: Deathstar on October 09, 2021, 10:12:34 AM
Illegal to fit a bike carrier?In the UK the Jazz is not type approved for a towbar as there is no towing weight.
Have a look at your V5C
If you install one it would invalidate your insurance.
You can buy them, but it’s your risk and what is to stop someone towing with it if you sell the car in the future.
You can however install a tail gate mounted one though.
Post by: richardfrost on October 09, 2021, 03:20:09 PM
Post by: Neil Ives on October 09, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
Post by: DERMOT on October 09, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
https://brink.eu/en-gb/towbars/towbar-types/bike-carrier-solution/
https://brink.eu/en-gb/towbars/frequently-asked-questions/is-there-a-towbar-for-hybrid-or-electric-cars/
See attached instruction sheet. It is not much harder than fitting rear mudflaps.
Brink give a rating plate label, and that states the only bikes , no towing.
If brink have done this and they are oe m to a few mfgrs, I can t see why illegal to fit.
Toyota had a modified towba r and cycle carrier for the hybrid autos that had square tube connection to stop took using with trailer
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Post by: Neil Ives on October 09, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
Post by: Jazzist on October 09, 2021, 06:07:38 PM
Post by: Jazzist on October 09, 2021, 06:22:48 PM
Perhaps because Uk is not a bikecountry?
Post by: Neil Ives on October 09, 2021, 10:18:33 PM
Does this mean, 'If you don't know the 'S Load' value do not fit this'?No, seriously, what the heck does this graphic mean?
Post by: DERMOT on October 10, 2021, 12:00:17 AM
The graphic seems to say look at the s rating on towbar and this will be less than the one for the car.
At least Honda did not outsource their user guide to the graphic artist than done brink towbars..
I would have thought that the towbar label should suffice, as they understand the load rating of the car and their towbar.
On next page there is clear 70kg max nose weight, and no towing just for bike carrier.
I would have thought that type approval for the bike carrier towba r would be for UK and EU, and the brink web site make a big deal
Of bike carriers for hybrid cars that can't tow.
https://www.trailparts.co.uk/S_and_D_Values
"The "S" value is a rating measured in kg and represents the maximum vertical load which can be applied to the Towing Jaw/hitch. This is also known as the "nose load".
All type approved towing brackets must also show this value on their respective manufacturer's label. The vehicle manufacturer's hand book will also give the maximum "S" value which can be applied to the rear towbar mountings; the actual vertical load which can be applied to the hitch is the lower of the two values. "