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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: foxleys on March 13, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
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It’s early days, but I’m very pleased with it, drives like a larger car, comfortable seats - I’m 6’4” tall with plenty of leg and head room.
I was learning about the infotainment system and out of interest connected my car to my home WiFi network, just to see if the maps on the Garmin were current & they are.
It seems to be a once a year update, via 16gb (it must only be 16gb or updates may not work) usb memory stick, formatted to FAT32 on Garmin express.
Full instructions, click on below;
www.Honda.garmin.com/Honda
No updates are currently available, you just have to go and check above, every few months.
Make sure you select UK on the bottom left of the home page of above.
It seems updates are free for 5 years, from new I guess....or from when the first update is done?
Now, I need to learn how to use Android Auto, and get it working wirelessly from the kind post on here by Roman! I don’t fancy plugging in my phone every time I want to use Android Auto!
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When you get chance I would welcome your impressions on driving in different environments. Particularly, urban on our usual potholed roads and motorways cruising at a legal 70 MPH (or maybe a little over!!!). Refinement and ride comfort of particular interest.
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When you get chance I would welcome your impressions on driving in different environments. Particularly, urban on our usual potholed roads and motorways cruising at a legal 70 MPH (or maybe a little over!!!). Refinement and ride comfort of particular interest.
Hi, will do once I have had it for a couple of weeks.
I have a Nextbase dashcam & I’ll upload a short video soon.
Unfortunately as I live in Jersey I wouldn’t be able to comment on anything above 40mph - our speed limit here.
I doubt if I’ll be doing any motorway trips till next year, due to Covid.
But I’ll do a Jersey report soon.
Best & thanks.
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But I’ll do a Jersey report soon.
Look forward to it.
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+1 Be nice to 'go for a ride' on the Island with you. ;)
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When you get chance I would welcome your impressions on driving in different environments. Particularly, urban on our usual potholed roads and motorways cruising at a legal 70 MPH (or maybe a little over!!!). Refinement and ride comfort of particular interest.
Had my Crosstar since last summer. It's great on the motorway, smooth and quiet, rides well. Long trip to Cornwall last year, 2 up and filled with luggage. Plenty of power if you need it. Good on sideroads, lumpy surfaces, although the Crosstar has slightly softer springs and a little extra clearance. Only small disappointment was that Honda don't provide traffic data in the UK, you have to use Android Auto for that. But very happy, would definitely buy another.
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Thanks for your impressions.
How did it do the Cornish hills? Some reviews have complained that the engine is very loud on hill climbs - and there are plenty of those in Cornwall - coming from Padstow I remember struggling up those hills on a pedal cycle!
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Some reviews have complained that the engine is very loud on hill climbs - and there are plenty of those in Cornwall - coming from Padstow I remember struggling up those hills on a pedal cycle!
However, loudness is subjective. I've previously commented that the engine is clearly audible under such conditions (but I wouldn't call it unpleasant although I've not had reason to explore the maximum power capability) as it's a contrast to normal operation when it's difficult to tell by listening whether the vehicle is powered by engine or battery.
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Thanks, some of the road tests imply that the engine noise going up hill is like revving the engine flat out in first gear with accompanying vibration. Always good to get users view because some road testers seem intent on finding fault by driving test cars in a way no owner would!
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That's assuming they actually get a test car. I'll bet a lot read other reviews and rework them. I've seen some shockers over the years where they've clearly not been near the model reviewed.
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I was lucky enough to have a Crosstar as a courtesy car last week, and used it as a 3 hour test drive. My current car is a Mk3 Sport (CVT), which has been by far the most responsive Jazz I have owned. (5 in total - all CVT)
My concern was that the Hybrid model with its modest power rating would not be a match for the Sport. I need not have worried, I drove from West Cornwall to East Cornwall including all the hills that only the Sport has handled with relative ease and the Crosstar matched or bettered the Sport. I now have it on order.
General impressions are that in most other aspects it matches previous models, the one exception being the much improved dash. All digital speedo etc and centre console much much better, more responsive and easier to use whilst driving for sure.
Just a note on the much talked about engine noise under pressure. My experience of all CVT Jazz models is that if you want anything like a ‘performance’ car it will be rowdy when pushed hard. The Crosstar is no different. In 18 years of Jazz driving I have never had an issue, when a little bit of extra power is required, within reason it responds. In particular the Sports and Hybrid models.
If you want a powerful car that climbs hills fully loaded at max speed limit with no effort then don’t buy a Jazz!
Finally, a general comment. In 18 years I have averaged between 10 and 16k miles per annum using West/Mid Cornwall as my base, load usually me my wife + 2 terrier dogs or larger in cages + luggage, and have not had one occasion when the car let me down.
I also have been lucky that my main dealer (Rowes Honda Truro) have been excellent.
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Finally, a general comment. In 18 years I have averaged between 10 and 16k miles per annum using West/Mid Cornwall as my base, load usually me my wife + 2 terrier dogs or larger in cages + luggage, and have not had one occasion when the car let me down.
I also have been lucky that my main dealer (Rowes Honda Truro) have been excellent.
Fantastic! That's Honda reliability. :D
Hope you enjoy your new Crosstar when it arrives.
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I was lucky enough to have a Crosstar as a courtesy car last week, and used it as a 3 hour test drive. My current car is a Mk3 Sport (CVT), which has been by far the most responsive Jazz I have owned. (5 in total - all CVT)
My concern was that the Hybrid model with its modest power rating would not be a match for the Sport. I need not have worried, I drove from West Cornwall to East Cornwall including all the hills that only the Sport has handled with relative ease and the Crosstar matched or bettered the Sport. I now have it on order.
Finally, a general comment. In 18 years I have averaged between 10 and 16k miles per annum using West/Mid Cornwall as my base, load usually me my wife + 2 terrier dogs or larger in cages + luggage, and have not had one occasion when the car let me down.
I also have been lucky that my main dealer (Rowes Honda Truro) have been excellent.
Thanks - a great review. I am not sure what vintage you are but me and my wife are both in our 70’s and find higher seated vehicles so much easier to enter and exit than most hatchbacks. Had my Yeti serviced today and got a Seat Leon as a courtesy car - drove fine but it was just too low for comfort, dropped into seat and had to climb out! How did you find the Crosstar for ease of access? Was it a case of simply sliding in and out or was there a drop into the seats and a climb out? Most important for my wife who has a back condition that makes bending and raising difficult.
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Regarding seat height etc, to be honest I wish it was a little higher, but my wife and I are in our early 70’s and she uses crutches. I checked with her regarding the passenger side access, and she found it on a par with our current mk3. The drivers seat (as pointed out elsewhere) does of course have some adjustment.
I would say the Jazz height sits somewhere between a full small SUV and a small hatchback, but I don’t have much personal experience on the subject.
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Regarding seat height etc, to be honest I wish it was a little higher, but my wife and I are in our early 70’s and she uses crutches. I checked with her regarding the passenger side access, and she found it on a par with our current mk3. The drivers seat (as pointed out elsewhere) does of course have some adjustment.
I would say the Jazz height sits somewhere between a full small SUV and a small hatchback, but I don’t have much personal experience on the subject.
Thanks - I guess we will have to wait to try the Crosstar for ease of access. Might wait until new HR-V is available (Summer/Autumn) then we can compare. Hate to order a Crosstar then find the HR-V is much better for access, on the other hand the Crosstar is a perfect size for us and I suspect the HR-V will be larger than we need. Decisions, decisions!
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on the other hand the Crosstar is a perfect size for us and I suspect the HR-V will be larger than we need. Decisions, decisions!
I think the HR-V will be similar sized to Crosstar overall but more 'sporty' looking. Any extra size will be taken up making it look like an SUV with a flatter bonnet. I would expect there will be little difference in height unless they are introducing a 4WD option. Still worth waiting though if you're not in a hurry. I'm in the same situation.
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on the other hand the Crosstar is a perfect size for us and I suspect the HR-V will be larger than we need. Decisions, decisions!
I think the HR-V will be similar sized to Crosstar overall but more 'sporty' looking. Any extra size will be taken up making it look like an SUV with a flatter bonnet. I would expect there will be little difference in height unless they are introducing a 4WD option. Still worth waiting though if you're not in a hurry. I'm in the same situation.
Yes, no desperate hurry to change cars. Just lining up alternatives for the back-end of the year but I do appreciate Honda hybrid technology.
Tend to order for delivery in March of following year - and yes I am vain as everyone and enjoy the new registration for it’s better resale price.
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My current car is a March reg, 2013.
Never again, having a Feb service date can be a pain with potential icy roads.
I'm currently aiming for a Sep reg Jazz. August services will be nicer.
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I think the HR-V will be similar sized to Crosstar overall but more 'sporty' looking. Any extra size will be taken up making it look like an SUV with a flatter bonnet. I would expect there will be little difference in height unless they are introducing a 4WD option. Still worth waiting though if you're not in a hurry. I'm in the same situation.
There are estimated 2022 HR-V dimensions at https://topelectricsuv.com/news/honda/2022-honda-hrv-launch/. It's only an inch or so higher and wider than the Crosstar but more than a foot longer. Will there be room for a spare wheel under the boot floor? I think the ride height of the Crosstar is about an inch lower than the current HR-V but didn't notice the difference when I swapped. In terms of ease of access, Honda doors tend to open wider than most.
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I think the HR-V will be similar sized to Crosstar overall but more 'sporty' looking. Any extra size will be taken up making it look like an SUV with a flatter bonnet. I would expect there will be little difference in height unless they are introducing a 4WD option. Still worth waiting though if you're not in a hurry. I'm in the same situation.
There are estimated 2022 HR-V dimensions at https://topelectricsuv.com/news/honda/2022-honda-hrv-launch/. It's only an inch or so higher and wider than the Crosstar but more than a foot longer. Will there be room for a spare wheel under the boot floor? I think the ride height of the Crosstar is about an inch lower than the current HR-V but didn't notice the difference when I swapped. In terms of ease of access, Honda doors tend to open wider than most.
If those dimensions are correct then you could possibly gain 44 mm (1.73”) in overall height which could translate to the same increase in seat height. However, significant increase in length but similar ground clearance so who knows! Only proof will be to try one alongside the other, I suspect the HR-V is going to cost a whole lot more than the Crosstar though.
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If those dimensions are correct then you could possibly gain 44 mm (1.73”) in overall height which could translate to the same increase in seat height. However, significant increase in length but similar ground clearance so who knows! Only proof will be to try one alongside the other, I suspect the HR-V is going to cost a whole lot more than the Crosstar though.
I suspect the extra length is, as I said earlier, to accommodate a more horizontal 'SUV' style boot design, and also to accommodate possibly larger or more kit in there, i.e. bigger engine? I remember when I got my HR-V I didn't feel much bigger inside than the 2nd gen Jazz it replaced.
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Now, I need to learn how to use Android Auto, and get it working wirelessly from the kind post on here by Roman! I don’t fancy plugging in my phone every time I want to use Android Auto!.
Just go into phone settings and you will be able to add your phone.
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Love my new Crosstar and the larger Navigation screen compared to my Mk3 EX I traded in. A little dissapointed that my map on my Crosstar is older than the one on my Mk3 which had most of the new roads contructed nearby! I also had the 'safety camera' POI's installed on my Mk3 - Wondering whether to try to intall onto my new car? Anyone tried yet?
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I've not tried but page 33 of the Navi Manual https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_523/file.res/32TZA800_Navigation%20Book.pdf provides a clue about the procedure.
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I've tried the map update, but the installed one is the current one - Just don't know why my Mk 3 map was more up to date?
I know how to add the 'safety cam' POI's, (in fact I have loaded them to a USB today), Just a bit hesitant to go ahead, although I cant see the process doing any harm. You did have to 'restore' the system to activate the integrate the camera points, but have to say, worked well in my Mk3. Showed, beeped and iisted all cam types including sites where mobile camera vans frequented, when aproaching.
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Thanks for the info.
Could you point me to the procedure used to add speed camera POI on mk 4 Garmin sat back, as I can’t see the process detailed in the manual?
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This is from my Civinfo site, just edited highlights:
It's really easy to do, but takes a little time as you have to perform a map update on your system.
Firstly get yourself a blank USB key (min 8gb, max 32gb). Then go here and follow the instruction to update your maps:
https://honda.garmin.com/honda/index.html
Don't worry if you've recently updated your maps, you won't use up your free updates. The 5 free updates Honda give refers to the annual Garmin update... you can download each map/update as many times as you want within that 5 year period.
When done you should have a USB key with lots of files/folders on it.
You then need to obtain the Garmin CSV download from PocketGPSWorld, SCDB or Cyclops, (needs a subscription) and use Garmin's POILoader to create a .GPI file if your download isn't .GPI.
Then copy and paste the .GPI file into the POI folder that is on your USB key. Dont delete the other .GPI in the folder as that is all the other POI's for your system.
The take the USB key to your car and update the maps as normal.
Once updated, you will get the alerts automatically when you are near a camera.
To enable the sound, you will have to reset/restore the Garmin App (NOT the connect system). Don't worry, it's not as drastic as it sounds... it just resets the Garmin settings back to default (and enables the alert sounds). You don't lose the history or saved favourites etc. You just have to set units, map colour etc.
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Note:
By default Garmins advance alerts are about 33 to 36 seconds ahead. In my book this is far too much so I created a program with lots of options to fine tune the alerts.
Plus it checks and installs the SOX.EXE program that is required by POILoader to enable the audible alerts.
Free from here:
https://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=91951
This program is written by me, is free, and is 100% safe.
(https://i.imgur.com/hjJQ5uf.jpg)
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I think the HR-V will be similar sized to Crosstar overall but more 'sporty' looking. Any extra size will be taken up making it look like an SUV with a flatter bonnet. I would expect there will be little difference in height unless they are introducing a 4WD option. Still worth waiting though if you're not in a hurry. I'm in the same situation.
There are estimated 2022 HR-V dimensions at https://topelectricsuv.com/news/honda/2022-honda-hrv-launch/. It's only an inch or so higher and wider than the Crosstar but more than a foot longer. Will there be room for a spare wheel under the boot floor? I think the ride height of the Crosstar is about an inch lower than the current HR-V but didn't notice the difference when I swapped. In terms of ease of access, Honda doors tend to open wider than most.
If those dimensions are correct then you could possibly gain 44 mm (1.73”) in overall height which could translate to the same increase in seat height. However, significant increase in length but similar ground clearance so who knows! Only proof will be to try one alongside the other, I suspect the HR-V is going to cost a whole lot more than the Crosstar though.
Details of the new HR-V in this video:
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Well I have had my Jazz Hybrid EX for about 1 month & I am loving it!
Things I like;
Wide comfortable seats
Plenty of space
Big wide sort of panoramic screen or view
I just filled it up today, for the 1st time 69.5mpg I recon, remember I live in Jersey, 40mph speed limit, lots of 20 and 30mph zones.
Drives like a bigger car
The noise from the engine (even going up hills) does not bother me, it is a lot quieter than my Mk3 Jan 2018 Jazz.
My 15 year old lab can get in the middle of the car, by me lifting one side of the cinema seat bases, don't have to lift here in!
Things I don't like;
No sunroof
No button to move the front seats like there were in the Mk1 & 2.
Not much else!
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Went into my local dealer yesterday and borrowed a Hybrid Jazz EX for a couple of hours.
Did probably about 50miles in it and was very impressed, covering a variety of terrain, from motorway, to local roads and steep hills.
I liked:-
Performance and fuel consumption
Quietness, even the engine, when pushed was quieter than my current EX.
Much of the time it was difficult to know whether it was in EV mode or EV/ICE mode
Comfort, the ride was much improved, soaking up rough roads better.
I disliked:-
The steering wheel has a cheap plastic feel to it compared to my current EX
Will probably need to jack up the seat slightly as even with adjustment at maximum it seemed too low for me.
(I come originally from a 4x4 background where I like to sit higher up)
I found speed a little difficult to judge, having to rely solely on the speedometer and not having engine speed noise, in the background, but I guess it's just something to get used to.
Anyway, back to the showroom for 'discussions'
They were able to match the 'Buy any Car' quote for my old car and also give me my Veterans Armed Forces Discount, so I placed an order.
Went the the Crystal Red with delivery sometime next week.
Looks like I will need to get a pilots licence, to work out what all the gizmos are for. ;D
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Went into my local dealer yesterday and borrowed a Hybrid Jazz EX for a couple of hours.
Did probably about 50miles in it and was very impressed, covering a variety of terrain, from motorway, to local roads and steep hills.
I liked:-
Performance and fuel consumption
Quietness, even the engine, when pushed was quieter than my current EX.
Much of the time it was difficult to know whether it was in EV mode or EV/ICE mode
Comfort, the ride was much improved, soaking up rough roads better.
I disliked:-
The steering wheel has a cheap plastic feel to it compared to my current EX
Will probably need to jack up the seat slightly as even with adjustment at maximum it seemed too low for me.
(I come originally from a 4x4 background where I like to sit higher up)
I found speed a little difficult to judge, having to rely solely on the speedometer and not having engine speed noise, in the background, but I guess it's just something to get used to.
Anyway, back to the showroom for 'discussions'
They were able to match the 'Buy any Car' quote for my old car and also give me my Veterans Armed Forces Discount, so I placed an order.
Went the the Crystal Red with delivery sometime next week.
Looks like I will need to get a pilots licence, to work out what all the gizmos are for. ;D
Don't worry about the gizmo's, once you've set up the car the way you want it you don't have to do it again and soon get used to it.
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I disliked:-
The steering wheel has a cheap plastic feel to it compared to my current EX
Will probably need to jack up the seat slightly as even with adjustment at maximum it seemed too low for me.
(I come originally from a 4x4 background where I like to sit higher up)
I found speed a little difficult to judge, having to rely solely on the speedometer and not having engine speed noise, in the background, but I guess it's just something to get used to.
I would have suggested the Crosstar to get the extra 1" in height.
That big digital speedo makes it easy to quickly check the current speed (the displayed number is about 1 1/2 mph higher than the true speed).
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Hi John
I was thinking more of head height within the car.
I made up some steel spacer blocks, together with longer high tensile bolts, some years ago when I had my 1st Jazz, which I have transferred from car to car.
Even with a 20mm spacer, I still have adequate head room
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Did probably about 50miles in it and was very impressed, covering a variety of terrain, from motorway, to local roads and steep hills.
I liked:-
Performance and fuel consumption
Quietness, even the engine, when pushed was quieter than my current EX.
Much of the time it was difficult to know whether it was in EV mode or EV/ICE mode
Was it you who has asked several times how noisy the engine is on steep hills? If so, you've answered your question.
And yes, under normal driving conditions it takes a trained ear to know whether the engine is running.