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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: TiJazz on March 03, 2021, 02:02:28 AM
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Mine is an odd one - it’s that between us, me and my other half never talk about it.
She drives it to the office, she brings it back home, no hassle, no drama.
Very different to my previous recent cars...
With the Tesla, we’d talk about whatever weird sh...t Autopilot had done that day.
With the Zoe, we’d talk about how many miles range we arrived home with.
With the MG eZS, we’d talk about false AEB activations and how to operate the systems. For example, she called me once to say the speed limiter wasn’t working - as it turned out, she’d accidentally knocked the stalk into ACC.
With the Ioniq, it was the lack of respect from other drivers because everyone assumed we were an Uber...
And with all our EVs, we spent hours discussing the general unreliability of our home charger.
I like my grey Jazz.
I chuck 40 quid of liquefied dinosaurs into the tank every 6 months, it drives like an EV (because it basically is one), nobody bats an eyelid at it, and I can fit a ton of Billy bookcases in the back.
I now understand why my father has consistently bought every model of Jazz since 2006... it just works.
What are your favourite things about the car?
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The magic seats, the fuel efficiency (figure beside my avatar is my average since buying it almost 5 years ago), and the sheer reliability of the thing.
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Magic seats for me too, makes for a great dog bed. Also the general nippiness.
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Interesting you say that - it’s the slowest car I’ve driven for a year or two! ;D Still more than enough to get by though.
The magic seats are great. That extra storage below window height is super useful, like a second trunk.
Reliability is so much better than any modern EV - and with those, the more you pay, the less reliable they become!
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Interesting you say that - it’s the slowest car I’ve driven for a year or two! ;D Still more than enough to get by though.
I agree, first gear is very low.....but I still like the car and would buy another :)
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My Mk 1 goes like sh*t of a shovel if you rev it. It is only 1.2 litre, so it will never stay up with the big boys, but it is no slouch away from lights or roundabouts.
And let's face it, a MK 1 Golf would seem slow against just about any reasonable EV.
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Great post, and I enjoyed your comments re previous cars! :D
I now understand why my father has consistently bought every model of Jazz since 2006... it just works.
You've nailed it. I have family members that have been buying since around then too and I don't mind confessing that I genuinely sniggered at their choice. For the price of their new Jazz, they could have had a 2yr old Focus or similar. I didn't understand the buying decision at all.
Many years later, and having owned one for coming on a year and thousands of miles, I fully understand why people have been buying the Jazz in volume. "They just work!". Brilliantly sums the car up.
It is a car for people that just want a practical small car that quietly goes about the business of being a practical competent small car. I never worry about our Jazz. Reliability is a given, lots of NCAP stars and cheap to run. Ticks so many boxes.
"They just work!" - Should have been Honda's advertising slogan. Reminds me of this:
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Bullet proof reliability, excellent (for me) driving position, unmatched interior space in its class and indeed better than some bigger cars. Flat loading space and magic seats also good.
I used to buy a range of makes but I would actually be a bit nervous about getting anything else now.
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The shape and practicality of the mk1 Jazz was a revolution.
Think about 2001 when these cars first appeared on the roads, and the rubbish all the other manufacturers were churning out at the time - the basic outline of the mk4 Ford Fiesta hadn't changed since the mk1 in 1976. Some Fiestas were still being fitted with the 1.3 Kent OHV engine!
I still think the mk1 Jazz looks fresh even now, and I prefer the look of it to all the later Jazz models. The only problems I have is that they're getting a bit long in the tooth now, the gearbox ratios are too low... oh, and the power steering is a bit duff.
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I've owned mostly "sensible" cars, I got to drive higher end stuff with my jobs and soon realised that I wouldn't want to live with one for everyday use.
I have an old Yaris and have the Jazz since last October. The Yaris is a similar concept of thing, it just does the job, no real frills. The Jazz is a slightly bigger version if you like, lots more space inside and a few generations forward in stuff like safety. I want reliability, comfort, and ease of use, and it does that.
In a less practical aspect, I want something parked on the drive that I won't look at and think "Oh dear". I'm afraid many other cars would make me feel depressed with the weird styling....... and the wheels, don't like fussy wheels.
I've had a Honda Deauville bike for nearly 20yrs and it was usually described as a "dullsville" by the bike press. In many respects it's a 2 wheel version of a Jazz, it doesn't set the world on fire, it just gets on with the job it was meant for and goes on for ever. A bit like kitchen white goods, you just want it to work.
They are what you need, not necessarily what you want.
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Reminds me of this:
"BE SAFE INSTEAD OF SEXY" ;D
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Sexy is clearly subjective! ;D ;D Who knew? Maybe they should have used these adds in the UK??
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@Sparky Paul exactly! The mk1 Sport looked way ahead of its time. As it happens, at that time, my folks’ driveway consisted of my old man’s mk1 Jazz Sport, my mk5 Fiesta 1.2 (my first car, the 16v Yamaha engine was a cracker) and my mother’s mk5 Fiesta 1.3 (yes, THAT 1.3!).
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Mine is an odd one - it’s that between us, me and my other half never talk about it.
She drives it to the office, she brings it back home, no hassle, no drama.
Very different to my previous recent cars...
With the Tesla, we’d talk about whatever weird sh...t Autopilot had done that day.
With the Zoe, we’d talk about how many miles range we arrived home with.
With the MG eZS, we’d talk about false AEB activations and how to operate the systems. For example, she called me once to say the speed limiter wasn’t working - as it turned out, she’d accidentally knocked the stalk into ACC.
With the Ioniq, it was the lack of respect from other drivers because everyone assumed we were an Uber...
And with all our EVs, we spent hours discussing the general unreliability of our home charger.
I like my grey Jazz.
I chuck 40 quid of liquefied dinosaurs into the tank every 6 months, it drives like an EV (because it basically is one), nobody bats an eyelid at it, and I can fit a ton of Billy bookcases in the back.
I now understand why my father has consistently bought every model of Jazz since 2006... it just works.
What are your favourite things about the car?
Hi, I'd be interested to know how many miles your Hybrid Jazz does per fill up of £40.00 every 6 months?
Thanks.
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I haven’t used a full tank yet, but I do know the car’s estimate of 600 is way off. I reckon it’s about 400-450 on the motorway in the depths of winter, mostly with ACC on, based on my use so far. Eco doesn’t make a difference, it just kills the throttle response.
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I can get 480 miles on a tank from my Mk 1.
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In winter with heating at 70mph? ;)
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My heating doesn't go up to 70mph. I just have three speed settings.
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In winter with heating at 70mph?
In winter, with heating (I have more heating than I need) but as I seldom drive above 60 mph - 70 mph. No.
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I would never have considered a Jazz. I was into bigger cars (Carlton, Cavalier, Volvo S40). I never particularly rated the Jazz's appearance one way or another.
My Volvo was getting near the end of its life, so I looked for something I could afford. I looked at a couple of cars before the Jazz, but both were sold by the time I saw the adverts. I saw the Jazz and went and had a look. This was the dealer's photo.
(https://i.imgur.com/CM8rWkz.jpg)
I bought it, and then a week later was extremely disappointed when my brother put his 55 plate Accord up for sale (immaculate, low miles, full dealer service history, leather upholstery and automatic). I could have had that.
However, we are now almost five years on, and I have grown to love it.
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I still think the mk1 look great, especially in that colour. I think the styling details on the later models look fussy by comparison.
Leather seats you can keep. This is the first and last car I've had with leather seats - sweaty in summer, and stone cold in winter. It's a good job they're heated, or you would end up with hypothermia.
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And slippy. I remember sliding about in the back the one time we went for a meal with our respective wives.
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Can't say I'm sold on the Mk1 styling. I suspect they put the then current Civic in front of one of those fairground mirrors that makes things look tall and thin and said, That'll do.'
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And slippy. I remember sliding about in the back the one time we went for a meal with our respective wives.
Could be fun - I’m wondering how you were seated. Working class - men in front, women behind; middle class - married couple in front, same behind; upper class - man and the other wife in front, same behind.
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Watch out for LGBT responses....
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I had a two litre turbo diesel Mondeo estate for years but I always thought when the kids were older and it was just me and the missus, I would get a small petrol car.
About 5 years ago the Mondeo clapped out and I needed to get a replacement a bit quick, I did some research and came up with a list of possibles then went to a car supermarket and just sat in them to see what they felt like, a lot of them just felt too small and closed in but the Jazz felt great.
I test drove a Jazz and a Yaris and I liked them both but the Honda salesman was an old friend so I went for the Jazz.
The Jazz was 2 years old with then 28k on the clock for just over £7k and a service plan included up to 5 years and 62k miles.
5 years on and now on 84k miles, I still think it's great, I like the reliability, economy, space and magic seats, all around vision and the basic simplicity of the controls.
I do like looking at cars and checking what's around but I don't think I could beat it for a reasonable price.
I'm not convinced by the current choice of electric or hybrids available at the going rate so for now I think I will stick with a small petrol car and probably stay with the Jazz for a couple more years yet.
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married couple in front, same behind;
I Never thought about the classes configuration but true. It was probably less middle class and more because my brother and his wife arrived together and picked us up in the street.
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Can't say I'm sold on the Mk1 styling. I suspect they put the then current Civic in front of one of those fairground mirrors that makes things look tall and thin and said, That'll do.'
You're right, it's not far off. Still, it was different for 2001.
My preference for the mk1 stems from disliking fussy details and angles - I like to see curves ;)
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Great thread - but as someone who is seriously considering buying a Crosstar it would be very interesting to know your LEAST favourite thing about your Jazz?
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Great thread - but as someone who is seriously considering buying a Crosstar it would be very interesting to know your LEAST favourite thing about your Jazz?
The thing I least like is the useless Infotainment screen/system that is impossible to update with any useful addition like an add on Sat Nav etc Should you require to do so which is impossible .
The whole thing was released on the unsuspecting customer with an out of date Android operating system.
But apart from that I think the Jazz is a superb workhorse reliable and cavernous in the extreme for its external size.
We use ours for all manner of conveyance such as animal feed Straw bedding, in fact anything goes in with space to spare for the driver.
Oops sorry should have said this appertains to the Mk3.
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Great thread - but as someone who is seriously considering buying a Crosstar it would be very interesting to know your LEAST favourite thing about your Jazz?
In the Mk 3, the flimsy boot floor is disappointing after the one in the Mk2. I soon gave up on the infotainment system apart from the radio. But overall, I have no regrets after 5 years.
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Anyone with any "least likes" about the Mk 4??
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Passenger seat isn’t height adjustable. Slower than my old Tesla.
Would like a bigger battery and the option to plug in on the two days a year my home charger is working, but then I wouldn’t want to spend £30k on a Jazz either!
Tldr there’s nothing wrong with ‘em
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Passenger seat isn’t height adjustable. Slower than my old Tesla.
Would like a bigger battery and the option to plug in on the two days a year my home charger is working, but then I wouldn’t want to spend £30k on a Jazz either!
Tldr there’s nothing wrong with ‘em
Thank you - the two items I have identified are the lack of a height adjustable passenger seat (seems a miserly omission) and the rare tyre size. If I’m being picky I would like the option of a heated windscreen for those cold frosty mornings and the rapid demisting they provide on muggy evenings. However, overall I am warming more to the Crosstar - mind you until I have test driven one over a few hours it's all theory. Test drive to learn about the ride comfort over our “wonderful” roads, tyre and engine noise and just general refinement and ease of driving.
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Those are all good too.
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I’ve had my Mk4 Jazz for just over two weeks now, and so far I can’t say there’s anything to dislike. It does exactly what it says on the tin. The active driving aids are new to me, and have surprised me a few times with a sudden intervention, but they’re never illogical, so it’s just sth to get used to. I’m quickly learning how and when to use them.
There are however two things I didn’t expect from a (or any) brand new Honda. Firstly there’s the clear difference in panel gap on the left and right hand side of the bonnet. I noticed this when giving the Jazz it’s first wash. I won’t be returning my car over this, but I’m really surprised a made in Japan Honda has this issue... (I’ve always heard that Japan made Hondas are supposed to be the best?)
Secondly there’s the somewhat more annoying problem of rattling front windows when slightly open (no more than a few cm). Even on reasonably good road surfaces there’s the odd rattle. Once the windows are opened more than about 5 cm, the rattling stops. I’ve notified my dealer, who in turn notified Honda HQ. Currently I’m awaiting their reply.
My favourite thing about the Jazz is the fact that it doesn’t follow market trends (unlike the new Yaris) and stays true to it’s origins. Understated design, easy to use, compact and highly practical while also being nice, even fun, to drive.
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If it was my new car I would certainly complain about the fit of the bonnet. Modern build systems should not permit uneven gaps. Is it possible that the bonnet has been refitted in the UK after a repair? Possibly damage during transit?
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If it was my new car I would certainly complain about the fit of the bonnet. Modern build systems should not permit uneven gaps. Is it possible that the bonnet has been refitted in the UK after a repair? Possibly damage during transit?
I agree. Very unusual to see an obviously different panel gap these days, should never be seen on a new car. Any pdi blemish repairs should be every bit as good as factory finish.
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Cant say I’ve noticed odd panel gaps. Tesla had loads because they’re built on a Friday afternoon by union reps, but the Honda is rock solid - as you’d expect from a made in Japan car and the associated working practices ;D
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If it was my new car I would certainly complain about the fit of the bonnet. Modern build systems should not permit uneven gaps. Is it possible that the bonnet has been refitted in the UK after a repair? Possibly damage during transit?
Thanks for the advice. I’ll take some pictures and send them to my dealer, see what they have to say...
Can’t speak for Honda UK, as I’m Belgian ;D
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If it was my new car I would certainly complain about the fit of the bonnet. Modern build systems should not permit uneven gaps. Is it possible that the bonnet has been refitted in the UK after a repair? Possibly damage during transit?
Thanks for the advice. I’ll take some pictures and send them to my dealer, see what they have to say...
Can’t speak for Honda UK, as I’m Belgian ;D
If it's obviously different to the eye, I think I would - a bit disappointing, but a little adjustment might be all that's needed.
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I’ve had my Mk4 Jazz for just over two weeks now, and so far I can’t say there’s anything to dislike. It does exactly what it says on the tin. The active driving aids are new to me, and have surprised me a few times with a sudden intervention, but they’re never illogical, so it’s just sth to get used to. I’m quickly learning how and when to use them.
There are however two things I didn’t expect from a (or any) brand new Honda. Firstly there’s the clear difference in panel gap on the left and right hand side of the bonnet. I noticed this when giving the Jazz it’s first wash. I won’t be returning my car over this, but I’m really surprised a made in Japan Honda has this issue... (I’ve always heard that Japan made Hondas are supposed to be the best?)
Secondly there’s the somewhat more annoying problem of rattling front windows when slightly open (no more than a few cm). Even on reasonably good road surfaces there’s the odd rattle. Once the windows are opened more than about 5 cm, the rattling stops. I’ve notified my dealer, who in turn notified Honda HQ. Currently I’m awaiting their reply.
My favourite thing about the Jazz is the fact that it doesn’t follow market trends (unlike the new Yaris) and stays true to it’s origins. Understated design, easy to use, compact and highly practical while also being nice, even fun, to drive.
I've noticed the same "issue" with the windows too, but I've already got used to open them wider, so they don't rattle anymore.
Anyway the Jazz is so quiet that I don't like keeping the windows open as the wind noise is much louder, instead I use more the climate which works perfectly in auto.
Concerning the bonnet gap, mine too has a difference between left and right gap but it's barely noticeable, and it's the only place where I've found difference in the gaps, all the other passenger doors and trunk door are unexpectedly perfect (I've owned Italian and French car only befire the Jazz).
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When you think of the thousands of parts in a car and the speed at which they assemble them they're doing pretty well if panel gaps are the only issue.
I'm sure that can be adjusted if it's too much.
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When you think of the thousands of parts in a car and the speed at which they assemble them they're doing pretty well if panel gaps are the only issue.
I'm sure that can be adjusted if it's too much.
It’s the difference between a hand assembled car of old and modern robot assembly lines. Robot assembly lines align body parts perfectly (within tiny tolerances) and the bonnet gap on either side should not be noticeably different to the eye. Body component gaps have been getting smaller and smaller over time and airflows smoothed, one result is lower wind noise and the other is improved aerodynamics.
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I've noticed the same "issue" with the windows too, but I've already got used to open them wider, so they don't rattle anymore.
Anyway the Jazz is so quiet that I don't like keeping the windows open as the wind noise is much louder, instead I use more the climate which works perfectly in auto.
Concerning the bonnet gap, mine too has a difference between left and right gap but it's barely noticeable, and it's the only place where I've found difference in the gaps, all the other passenger doors and trunk door are unexpectedly perfect (I've owned Italian and French car only befire the Jazz).
I agree these are not major issues. The panel gap is something I can ultimately live with, but the rattling windows don’t belong on a brand new car in my opinion. Even if there’s an easy way to work around it ;).
Another thing I noticed only yesterday, is that there are no lights in both sun visors. I checked the brochure, and it says they are standard on all Jazz models. That’s another email to my dealer ???.
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I think the Japanese Fit Luxe model has the illuminated vanity mirrors. I wonder if they are just missing bulbs in the non illuminated versions. Be interesting to see what’s behind the mirror lamp’s blanking plates.
In some markets, the headlamps are not LED and the centre, driver’s knee and rear side airbags are not fitted.
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I wonder if they are just missing bulbs in the non illuminated versions.
My Volvo had only one rear foglight, but on inspection, I found I had only to push out a plastic plug and stick a bulb in the socket to have two rear foglights, like its upmarket sisters.
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My 1.4 has a great engine for use around town with just enough power and no need to rev the engine. It feels like a modern version of the old Austin/Morris 1.3 a series engine, but still the gearing is far too low and generally too close. I wonder what the engineers were thinking of as it would pull far higher gearing.
In the year that the MK1 came out, the K11 Micra ended production, a wonderful car that if not for rusty sills could be made to go on for ever with only 3 other minor quality issues. Nissan were losing over £1,000 on each one and you can feel why when you drive it. Thick quality plastic, smooth light controls, an engine that pulls AND revs with a cam chain when most had cheapo belts fitted. The K12 was a major step down in quality(well it was a Clio in disguise) even if it had more space and gave 15% better mpg
The Jazz took Micra's place as the best small car and gave so much more space inside despite only being a few inches longer, higher and wider. Nothing like as much fun to drive as the later 1.3 k11's with an anti-roll bar was like a Mini Cooper S to drive. I was so sad to sell mine as I needed as estate. Most die because of abuse and clean ones almost non-existent now. The Mk1 is now bargain basement motoring and unlike a few years ago when most were with their first, caring, mature owners, they show the scars of use with many being battered into submission as 2 cars used on school runs.
The styling is typical Honda of the period. I had a Mk1 600 Transalp, similar simple lines where form follows function. A modern version of what Brunel or Bauhous alumni might have drawn up. There has been little as far as I can see that has really improved on it since, as the MK2 went backwards in many areas.
I just wish the gearbox had better bearings and ratios!
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I think the Mk2 was better-looking than the Mk1, but these judgements are subjective. The bonnet profile looked more purposeful, although I don’t think it had a purpose. I find the Mk3 cluttered, but the Mk4 seems to have cleaner lines.
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but these judgements are subjective.
Personally, I don't think there is much to draw between them. Neither looks particularly attractive.
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The K12 was a major step down in quality(well it was a Clio in disguise) even if it had more space and gave 15% better mpg
The K11 was a great little car. At least they retained the Nissan petrol engines for the K12, imagine if they had been fitted with the crappy Renault lumps.
As for the Jazz, I still prefer the looks of the mk. 1 to all the later cars - too many fussy angular details creeping into the design of the mk.2/3. The interior is perhaps a bit dated now, but much better quality materials than the later cars.
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The mk1 Sport was always my favourite Jazz. The 2 was dull and the 3 was just the wrong shape. 4 Crosstar looks nice.
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The mk1 Sport was always my favourite Jazz. The 2 was dull and the 3 was just the wrong shape. 4 Crosstar looks nice.
I saw a Sport for sale the other day, in that dark Purple and in fab condition - it looked great!
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Having been used to a Mk 2 the Crosstar is s totally different drive. I usually drive steadily to maximize fuel use but yesterday I pulled out of a busy junction into a gap in the traffic and needed to get up to speed so put my foot down like I used to in my old car and it was like whoosh! Took me by surprise but very useful in those situations where you find yourself in a tight spot.
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Having been used to a Mk 2 the Crosstar is s totally different drive. I usually drive steadily to maximize fuel use but yesterday I pulled out of a busy junction into a gap in the traffic and needed to get up to speed so put my foot down like I used to in my old car and it was like whoosh! Took me by surprise but very useful in those situations where you find yourself in a tight spot.
I quickly discovered the same - I wanted to overtake a tractor and found I was also overtaking the 60 mph speed limit. The battery and motor are capable of providing a short burst of power more potent than suggested by the 0 -60 mph figures (for which the engine has to do most of the work).
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The mk1 Sport was always my favourite Jazz. The 2 was dull and the 3 was just the wrong shape. 4 Crosstar looks nice.
I saw a Sport for sale the other day, in that dark Purple and in fab condition - it looked great!
This was it, high on miles but looked very smart I think
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-Honda-Jazz-1-4-i-DSi-Sport-5dr-HATCHBACK-Petrol-Manual-/353432375939?nma=true&orig_cvip=true
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/74IAAOSwJLtgXMVf/s-l1600.jpg)
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From reading power specifications of the Mk4 compared to the Mk3, the torque figures of the Mk4 are more than twice that of the Mk3, so it is not surprising that the initial acceleration ‘get up and go’ is much better.
Peak power is much the same, but it is torque that makes the difference.
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That’s electric drive for ya. 100% torque from zero. The actual 0-60 of the new Jazz is 8.5s - the official 10s figure is just to placate the insurance companies.
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The actual 0-60 of the new Jazz is 8.5s - the official 10s figure is just to placate the insurance companies.
I wonder if 10s might reflect the worst case with the battery at the low end of the normal charge range in which case the power boost from the battery is significantly less than if the battery is at the high end of the charge range.
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The actual 0-60 of the new Jazz is 8.5s - the official 10s figure is just to placate the insurance companies.
I wonder if 10s might reflect the worst case with the battery at the low end of the normal charge range in which case the power boost from the battery is significantly less than if the battery is at the high end of the charge range.
But at that point the engine is driving the generator which is feeding power directly to the electric motor so charge level of battery has no effect.
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Exactly. 10s is probably the Eco mode figure or something.
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I saw a Japanese video on Youtube with an even faster acceleration 8)
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8-8.5 sounds about right flat out when lightly loaded
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The Jazz is a premium car in terms of quality and fitness for purpose, , if the car had a BMW or Mercedes badge it would cost 50% more to buy and maintain, well there is nothing geriatric about the thinking of engineers who design and develop the Jazz, the engineers who develop european cars are the geriatrics, serving up the same cliched formulaic cars time and time again. Honda have 20 years of hybrid knowledge and look who is the leader maker of IC engines! The Mark IV Jazz is years ahead of the European competition, and at a bargain price of £19,000, only a little more than a base level Fiesta, are Honda selling the £19,000 SE as a loss leader?
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The thing I love most about my 2020 Jazz is how gently it drives. No camparison to older Honda Jazz or even the Insight. They really took their time at Honda in developing.
15'' wheels also contribute to the nearly perfect ride.