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Title: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 04, 2021, 05:15:17 PM
Please note that since January 2021, the MOT Inspection manual has been updated to include LED bulbs.

Section 4.1.4 now states the following:

“Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.”


https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/blog/are-led-headlights-legal-in-the-uk/ (https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/blog/are-led-headlights-legal-in-the-uk/)
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: ColinS on February 04, 2021, 06:25:27 PM
There's going to be a lot of people putting their old bulbs back in just for the MOT.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest4871 on February 04, 2021, 07:20:12 PM
There's going to be a lot of people putting their old bulbs back in just for the MOT.

Can't imagine who   ;)
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Kremmen on February 05, 2021, 03:21:48 AM
They should also include blacked out front side windows and 'show' number plates.

Not to mention very loud exhausts.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 05, 2021, 06:56:47 AM
They should also include blacked out front side windows and 'show' number plates.

Not to mention very loud exhausts.
Number plates are included in the MOT. Whether the examiner fails them is his decision. Tints which are darker than permitted and loud exhausts can only be determined by measurement. Until the MOT requires garages to have suitable measuring equipment, I suppose there is not much the examiner can do about them.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: ColinB on February 05, 2021, 09:19:41 AM
Tints which are darker than permitted ... can only be determined by measurement. Until the MOT requires garages to have suitable measuring equipment, I suppose there is not much the examiner can do about them.
Measuring this isn't particularly difficult. I recall watching one of the TV real-life cop shows when a traffic officer stopped a car with dark tints. He produced a light meter, declared the tints to be illegal, and required the driver to remove the films by hand before he was allowed to drive on.

The only policy about this I can find quickly is from VOSA a few years ago:
http://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/repository/Tinted%20Windows.pdf
The excuse for not including it in the MOT (that it would be too expensive to equip all MOT centres with specialist measuring kit) seems pretty weak if the police can do it at the roadside.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 05, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
We shouldn't just be relying on MOT stations with regard to vehicle condition. There was a day when we had a fleet of traffic officers that were pulling over dodgy cars. That is what we need reinstating.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Kremmen on February 05, 2021, 10:39:55 AM
I agree.

The number of vehicles round me with tinted front windows, illegally spaced number plate letters, fog lights 24x7, you name it ..................

Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 05, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
I agree.

The number of vehicles round me with tinted front windows, illegally spaced number plate letters, fog lights 24x7, you name it ..................

Oh I agree. The list just goes on and on.  :( People know they will never get pulled over by a road traffice officer.

Over the last year, we have had an increasing number of 125cc bikes with ludicrous exhausts in the town. The bikes are being fitted with cheapy big bore end cans with the baffles removed. As we have no Police presence on the roads, the band of 15/20 lads are getting away with it. Not only are the cans illegal, but they will not be disclosed to their insurers, so they're uninsured too!  >:( Mind you, quite why the parents are unable to control there teens is another matter. My Dad would have torn me a new one if I rode about on a bike in that condition!  :D
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Kremmen on February 05, 2021, 01:10:42 PM
Being controversial, that's often the problem these days, there is no dad at home.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest9236 on February 05, 2021, 02:08:26 PM
Being controversial, that's often the problem these days, there is no dad at home.

And even if there is  He or she might not be aware of the technicalities etc, the mind boggles,
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 05, 2021, 02:12:35 PM
Being controversial, that's often the problem these days, there is no dad at home.
There has to be something in that. The nuclear family that stays together is not always the norm. My lad, 16, tells me most of the kids in his class have parents that have divorced or seperarated.

Mrs Westy and me are bucking the trend, 25yrs together later this year!  ;D Rare these days.

 
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest9236 on February 05, 2021, 02:16:20 PM
There's going to be a lot of people putting their old bulbs back in just for the MOT.

And then putting the LEDs back IN, must be very annoying for the Anti LED brigade.!!!!! I expect sooner or later they may see the Light.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 05, 2021, 02:20:45 PM
I managed 35 years before separating and divorcing!

***** Controversy warning. *****

One thing I have found over many years is that the average man in the street is not the sharpest tool in the box. The average IQ for the UK is 100 (Normal is 90 - 109), so with all the clever people in the country, there must be many with low IQs to pull the average down so far. May I say, many of those have the loud exhausts, black windows, and blue headlights or certainly have sired those that do.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest9236 on February 05, 2021, 02:23:10 PM
Being controversial, that's often the problem these days, there is no dad at home.
There has to be something in that. The nuclear family that stays together is not always the norm. My lad, 16, tells me most of the kids in his class have parents that have divorced or seperarated.

Mrs Westy and me are bucking the trend, 25yrs together later this year!  ;D Rare these days.

We have been "MARRIED" 63 years  and still together, would not change anything. So far ??
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest9236 on February 05, 2021, 02:31:18 PM
I managed 35 years before separating and divorcing!

***** Controversy warning. *****

One thing I have found over many years is that the average man in the street is not the sharpest tool in the box. The average IQ for the UK is 100 (Normal is 90 - 109), so with all the clever people in the country, there must be many with low IQs to pull the average down so far. May I say, many of those have the loud exhausts, black windows, and blue headlights or certainly have sired those that do.

And LED headlights ????
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: ColinS on February 05, 2021, 02:38:45 PM
We have been "MARRIED" 63 years  and still together, would not change anything. So far ??
We've only been married for 44 years but I always introduce her as my first wife.  Keeps her on her toes ;).
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 05, 2021, 02:43:20 PM
We've only been married for 44 years but I always introduce her as my first wife.  Keeps her on her toes ;).
;D Funny. I always introduce my wife as 'the current Mrs Westy' - I'm sure it was Wogan who used that line all the time.

@BIGFELLAH - Congratulations! So nice to hear of. Not many last 1/3rd of that these days.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 05, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
I had a manager who once told the tale of how on returning from his honeymoon he put money in an envelope and stuck it on the mantlepiece. He told his new wife that if ever she wanted to, there was her train fare home to her mother.
40 years later, they were still married, and the money was still there. My wife would have used it to buy cushions!
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Basil on February 06, 2021, 01:24:24 PM
Introducing legislation like this should make it a much better country to live in, well done to all involved !!!
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: madasafish on February 06, 2021, 04:43:43 PM
Being controversial, that's often the problem these days, there is no dad at home.
There has to be something in that. The nuclear family that stays together is not always the norm. My lad, 16, tells me most of the kids in his class have parents that have divorced or seperarated.

Mrs Westy and me are bucking the trend, 25yrs together later this year!  ;D Rare these days.

25 years ? Pfft.

Reverse the numbers   for us.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: guest9236 on February 09, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
We've only been married for 44 years but I always introduce her as my first wife.  Keeps her on her toes ;).
;D Funny. I always introduce my wife as 'the current Mrs Westy' - I'm sure it was Wogan who used that line all the time.

@BIGFELLAH - Congratulations! So nice to hear of. Not many last 1/3rd of that these days.

Thank you Westy36
 We met whilst Conveying  Suez CAS EVACS from  RAF Wroughton in K2 army ambulances (as seen in ICE COLD IN ALEX film)   I was In the RAMC Op Theatre mostly and My Wife to Be was in The QARANC the girls in the Red Capes And White Caps etc, those were the Days. I was then transferred to attachment to a section of Porton Down, I Had my Hotchkis Car so we could still meet up then which helped with the attraction I am sure,  So we are still together with lots of memories some sad and some good mostly good though.
But time passes so quickly I wonder where it all disappeared too.
Any way Keep Safe one and all, Some day we will be able to meet our nearest and dearest without breaking the law.????
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 09, 2021, 03:28:23 PM
Thank you Westy36
 We met whilst Conveying  Suez CAS EVACS from  RAF Wroughton in K2 army ambulances (as seen in ICE COLD IN ALEX film)   I was In the RAMC Op Theatre mostly and My Wife to Be was in The QARANC the girls in the Red Capes And White Caps etc, those were the Days. I was then transferred to attachment to a section of Porton Down, I Had my Hotchkis Car so we could still meet up then which helped with the attraction I am sure,  So we are still together with lots of memories some sad and some good mostly good though.
But time passes so quickly I wonder where it all disappeared too.
Any way Keep Safe one and all, Some day we will be able to meet our nearest and dearest without breaking the law.????
That's an interesting tale of how you met, in such testing time as well. Different generation.  :) Ice Cold In Alex with Katy the lorry is cool film, not seen it in years.

Clubjazz members have been married a long time 63, 52, 44 and 35yrs. I salute you!  :D Some achievement. Imagine all the bank jobs/wages vans you could have done for the sentences!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: sparky Paul on February 11, 2021, 11:28:56 PM
I always introduce my wife as 'the current Mrs Westy'

Here's a nice gift

(https://www.moretvicar.com/media/product/2019/02/07/3719_19880_w450.jpg)

https://www.moretvicar.com/collection/fartnum-and-mason/product/current-wife-mug
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 12, 2021, 09:27:05 AM
Here's a nice gift
:D I'd probably get away with that!
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: RichardA on February 14, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
Clubjazz members have been married a long time 63, 52, 44 and 35yrs. I salute you!  :D Some achievement. Imagine all the bank jobs/wages vans you could have done for the sentences!  ;D ;D ;D

Most people of my age group didn't get married until their 30s. I didn't attend my first wedding as an adult until I was 32. Interestingly, most of the Polish and Latvians I know got married in their early to mid 20s.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 14, 2021, 12:02:12 PM
I was married at 21. Divorced at 56. Married again at 59.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 14, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
I was married at 21. Divorced at 56. Married again at 59.
Most folk that marry young don't last the course. You did really well at 35yrs.  :D

Out of all the people we know that got together when Mrs Westy and me did in '96, none of them are still together! Be half of my life this year, and the best thing I ever did.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 14, 2021, 12:46:42 PM
I have no regrets about my first marriage. We had good times and two great kids. Just as we aged, our outlook on life changed.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: sparky Paul on February 14, 2021, 03:54:57 PM
Best way I've found to avoid divorce is to not marry in the first place  ;)
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: UKjim on February 14, 2021, 09:38:25 PM

Clubjazz members have been married a long time 63, 52, 44 and 35yrs. I salute you!  :D Some achievement. Imagine all the bank jobs/wages vans you could have done for the sentences!  ;D ;D ;D

52 for me and still going.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Kenneve on February 14, 2021, 09:59:29 PM
59 years come next June.
However we have been separated for the past 2 years or so, as the wife is now resident in a Care home with Alzheimer’s, having first been diagnosed some 10 years ago. Currently I haven’t seen her since August, due to the pandemic. So we have to make do, with FaceTime calls and I’m not sure whether she always recognises me.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Kremmen on February 15, 2021, 03:13:42 AM
Being married for decades does seem appropriate under the MOT thread  :D
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Jocko on February 15, 2021, 09:43:56 AM
Best way I've found to avoid divorce is to not marry in the first place  ;)
My wife and I were together for a spell before we married. I thought getting married was a sensible decision for legal reasons. That way, she gets a reduced portion of my pensions without any hassle.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: sparky Paul on February 15, 2021, 10:06:14 AM
My wife and I were together for a spell before we married. I thought getting married was a sensible decision for legal reasons.

I can understand that. Of course, there is now a secular alternative in the form of civil partnerships, and we have seriously considered going down that route for similar reasons.

If we lived in Scotland, I think we might have gone down the Humanist route some time ago - we have been together for over 27 years.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: sparky Paul on February 15, 2021, 10:19:10 AM
I haven’t seen her since August, due to the pandemic. So we have to make do, with FaceTime calls and I’m not sure whether she always recognises me.

That's really sad, I hope this is over for you soon. I know from our own experience how important familiar human contact is for relatives with Alzheimer's. I can't help thinking that we should have prioritised a testing regime to enable safe, full contact visiting for those who really do need it.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: Westy36 on February 15, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
59 years come next June.
However we have been separated for the past 2 years or so, as the wife is now resident in a Care home with Alzheimer’s, having first been diagnosed some 10 years ago. Currently I haven’t seen her since August, due to the pandemic. So we have to make do, with FaceTime calls and I’m not sure whether she always recognises me.
So sorry to hear of your situation. Thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: Changes to MOT
Post by: culzean on February 15, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
My wife and I were together for a spell before we married. I thought getting married was a sensible decision for legal reasons.

I can understand that. Of course, there is now a secular alternative in the form of civil partnerships, and we have seriously considered going down that route for similar reasons.

If we lived in Scotland, I think we might have gone down the Humanist route some time ago - we have been together for over 27 years.

Same sex couples have been able to have a civil partnership since 2004, it was sad that a heterosexual couple could not, it took a long court battle by a determined couple until 2018 to get the same rights for a man and a woman who wanted a civil partnership.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45714032