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Other Hondas & General Topics => Off Topic (Non-Honda) => Topic started by: Jocko on February 21, 2018, 04:48:10 PM
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Given a link to this US site on another forum. Worth a look.
https://www.truedelta.com/ (https://www.truedelta.com/)
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I know Honda have a good reputation here, but I wonder how the US cars' reliability relates to the Japan/China/Swindon built cars?
In fact, where are the US-spec cars built?
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They appear to have a few plants in the States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants)
But none building the Jazz/Fit. Must get them from China.
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Here is a good UK reliability site.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/68 (http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/68)
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I'm on Honda number 5 - no trouble with any of them and all were second hand. I have also had 3 Nissans (although none recently) and found them bullet proof as well.
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Before I got the Jazz I had an 85 Carlton, a 92 Cavalier and a 01 Volvo S40, and they were all bullet proof. The two Vauxhalls had almost 400,00 miles between them, when passed on, and not a problem at all. I wouldn't have parted with the Cavalier except my wife spotted the Volvo and fell in love with it. I gave the Cavalier to my nephew, who ran it for a couple more years before the rust bug got to it.
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On the other side of the spectrum my two most unreliable cars were a VW Golf 1.9 TDI and, many years ago, a Fiat 128. Some wag told me that FIAT stood for "Fix it again Tommy!"
I only ever owned one Vauxhall. A 1987 Cavalier - great car and very reliable until it got stolen from the approach at Newton le Willows station and written off in a police chase involving a helicopter apparently!
Had a couple of Fords - middling reliability. Annoying little problems rather than anything major.
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I only ever owned one Vauxhall. A 1987 Cavalier - great car and very reliable until it got stolen
I've had a couple of Vauxhalls, my first one got nicked off the drive. Silver Calibra 4x4, first I knew about it was a Policeman banging on the door at 8 in the morning to see why I hadn't paid for the £15 petrol I just put in. He lost interest once he realised it was stolen.
Turned up ringed on a garage forecourt 6 months later.
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I lied earlier - I owned 2 Vauxhalls. I had a 1.8 Carlton back in the early 90s. Bit under powered as it only had the 1.8 engine.
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My Carlton was the 1.8 auto. Never found it particularly under-powered, but I had come from a long line of old bangers so didn't have much of a baseline to judge it on. I must say, I loved the RWD. The Cavalier I replaced it with felt distinctly uncouth after the Carlton, and it was the CDi, with all the toys.
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I had 30 years of company cars. Almost all were brand new and I kept them for 3 years and did around 60k miles..
Ford: reliable
Volvo : reliable
Audi: not very reliable.
Rover (3 800s over 5 years no choice): awful. Barely lasted 6 months before another fault..Engines. clutch, exhausts, electrics. POC.
Mercedes: not very reliable.
Then privately :
Jaguar: not very reliable.
BMW: some faults
Audi - not very reliable.
Toyota : 100% reliable.
Honda Jazz (to date) : 100% reliable.
Not much has changed: the unreliable ones then still are. (except Rover of course)
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My other half ran a Rover 218 turbodiesel for 60-odd thousand business miles, R8 shape with the Peugeot-Citroen XUD engine. It was utterly reliable, and never required anything but service parts and consumables. Great car.
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I had 30 years of company cars. Almost all were brand new and I kept them for 3 years and did around 60k miles..
Ford: reliable
Volvo : reliable
Audi: not very reliable.
Rover (3 800s over 5 years no choice): awful. Barely lasted 6 months before another fault..Engines. clutch, exhausts, electrics. POC.
Mercedes: not very reliable.
Then privately :
Jaguar: not very reliable.
BMW: some faults
Audi - not very reliable.
Toyota : 100% reliable.
Honda Jazz (to date) : 100% reliable.
Not much has changed: the unreliable ones then still are. (except Rover of course)
Audi and Mercedes usually do pretty badly in long term reliability tests - your experience definitely bears that out. You can't go wrong with Japanese in my experience.
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My brother's previous BMW M3 was a nightmare. Niggle faults every couple of months. What was really frightening was the repair costs. He used an independent BMW garage, which was cheaper than the main dealer, but even then it was costing £600 - £800 a pop. The last time he had a warning light come on, then reset itself, he traded it in that weekend before it had a chance to return!
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They appear to have a few plants in the States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants)
But none building the Jazz/Fit. Must get them from China.
Mexico I believe.
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They appear to have a few plants in the States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants)
But none building the Jazz/Fit. Must get them from China.
Mexico I believe.
The Mexican factory makes the HR-Vs for north America and Europe and has been struggling to achieve Honda's normal quality standards *but seems to be slowly improving).
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A while back I got chatting to a new HRV owner at my Honda dealer. He'd come in because the engine was covered in Mexican sand. Amazingly the dealer told him they would clean it when the first service was due. I was less than impressed.
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I had 30 years of company cars. Almost all were brand new and I kept them for 3 years and did around 60k miles..
Ford: reliable
Volvo : reliable
Audi: not very reliable.
Rover (3 800s over 5 years no choice): awful. Barely lasted 6 months before another fault..Engines. clutch, exhausts, electrics. POC.
Mercedes: not very reliable.
Then privately :
Jaguar: not very reliable.
BMW: some faults
Audi - not very reliable.
Toyota : 100% reliable.
Honda Jazz (to date) : 100% reliable.
Not much has changed: the unreliable ones then still are. (except Rover of course)
Audi and Mercedes usually do pretty badly in long term reliability tests - your experience definitely bears that out. You can't go wrong with Japanese in my experience.
You can - CAN and WILL - go wrong with Mazda diesels, and Toyota diesels and Mark1 Subarus diesels broke crankshafts and had MAJOR DPF issues... there's a definite trend there.
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My son-in-law's Land Rover Discovery diesel snapped its crankshaft. Luckily it was a company vehicle and they just replaced the entire engine.
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Saw a 2 year old Porsche Cayenne being winched onto back of AA recovery vehicle today.
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Saw a 2 year old Porsche Cayenne being winched onto back of AA recovery vehicle today.
Always makes me feel good when I witness something like that!
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As a buyer I see the Jazz as a safer bet because the owners seem to take good care of them. More of them than not have full service histories and half of those are from Honda. There are obviously less Jazz on the roads than, say ford focus. I don't know if reliability scores take that into account? But overall, I'd guess that they are just well looked after. And seeing how many cars my brother has killed due to ill-treatment, vs the rest of my family. I'd say that probably plays a big part.