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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: weeleyboy on October 30, 2017, 11:22:33 AM
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Hi I'm new to this forum and I currently run a 2009 Toyota Avensis Estate petrol cvt and I'm looking to down size to a Jazz cvt and wondering which models are best My budget is £10k max. I've seen a 2014 Jazz 1.4 Ex cvt with 24k on the clock for £8978 and wonder if this is good value. I'm unsure which is the best engine size to go for as there have been 3 different sizes as far as I can see.
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Welcome to the forum. I am sure you will get plenty advice from Mk 3 owners. Me, I have an old Mk 1 and love it.
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You might find the 1.2 engine in the Mk2 Jazzes a bit underpowered. I'd go for a 1.4.
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I did wonder if that was the case, hence my request for advice
Thanks
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You might find the 1.2 engine in the Mk2 Jazzes a bit underpowered. I'd go for a 1.4.
You cannot get a CVT equipped Jazz with the 1.2 litre engine. At least not in the UK.
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No, he is right, they are 1.3. However output is very similar to the earlier 1.4. I do not like the CVT as much as the I-shift, only available in 2010 year cars i think.
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I'd go for the EX with the glass roof, it makes a huge difference to the feel of the interior.
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I've viewing quite a lot on line and at local dealer and I've come to think the best choice would be a 1.4 EX CVT and I've seen a few 2014 models with around 20k miles for around £9k which would suit my budget unless someone can give me a good reason not to I think that's where I'm heading. Best deals seem to be in Scotland which is a bit far from Essex!
Thanks to all members for their assistance
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Arnold Clark has a nice one at £8500 with 7025 miles on it. Arnold Clark will bring a car to a dealership near you and they have a showroom in Milton Keynes.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710260682021?transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&model=JAZZ&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=sponsored&postcode=ky11pa&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4&year-from=2014&aggregatedTrim=EX&advertising-location=at_cars&make=HONDA&maximum-mileage=25000&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710260682021?transmission=Automatic&radius=1500&model=JAZZ&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=sponsored&postcode=ky11pa&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.4&year-from=2014&aggregatedTrim=EX&advertising-location=at_cars&make=HONDA&maximum-mileage=25000&page=1)
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You need to drive about three Jazz models of your own preference then you will have abenchmark, there are 100's for sale at present.
Check the MOT history using the DVLA website https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Good hunting
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Thanks everyone. I'm having a test drive in morning as not driven one yet. The one in Scotland looks good value for money. I'm offered a 2 year extended warranty for £445 and wonder if that's good value? Just waiting for a video of it to arrive via email to check it out.
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Personally would be better to get one nearer your county as if there are any problems you can get the dealer to sort out even though the Honda used car warranty is UK wide. I would suggest to purchase from a Honda franchise and dealer as their service are usually top notch. Cars are serviced and small dents are repaired. But do check out the car and if you see anything that needs fixing, let the sales executive know. Used Honda has a 12 months warranty which is quite comprehensive and doesn't go through a third party. With the reliability of the Jazz, you will be better off using that money for a service plan may be rather than going for a two years warranty package?
I had a quick look at Autotrader and there are many at £9k mark but don't be afraid to look over that mark. In my experience, you can get at least £500 off the list price, but as it's the beginning of the month, discount may be difficult. But test drive the cars now and buy end of the month for more discount. If the figures don't add up then get them to throw in a set of mats and a tank of petrol and a free service/road tax to make up £500. Remember to get the figures down on the car before discussing the part exchange. Beware of products such as GAP insurance etc.
I also seen a few ES-Plus 2014 but with mileage around 6k miles for around £9k. The spec is similar to the EX but without the panoramic roof.
Good luck and hope you can join us very soon.
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Thanks everyone. I'm having a test drive in morning as not driven one yet. The one in Scotland looks good value for money. I'm offered a 2 year extended warranty for £445 and wonder if that's good value? Just waiting for a video of it to arrive via email to check it out.
If you buy a properly serviced Jazz, a two year warranty is superfluous: the chances of any failure worth over £400 occurring are statistically remote.
An EX will resell easier... but I went for the ES as when I was buying the ES premium was c £2k - too much.
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Personally would be better to get one nearer your county as if there are any problems you can get the dealer to sort out even though the Honda used car warranty is UK wide. I would suggest to purchase from a Honda franchise and dealer as their service are usually top notch.
The one I suggested was from Arnold Clark (whom I worked for when I worked in their Honda dealership here), who are a nationwide dealership. They advertise cars locally, but if I see a car I fancy in Arnold Clark in the south of England they will ship it up to Kirkcaldy, and if I like it and buy it I purchase it from the dealership here, as if I had just walked on to their forecourt. It is really quite a good way of doing it. And all warranty work would be done by the dealership here. Same goes for a car shipped in the other direction.
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No, he is right, they are 1.3. However output is very similar to the earlier 1.4. I do not like the CVT as much as the I-shift, only available in 2010 year cars i think.
As far as I am aware Honda only sold in UK a 1.4 (1339cc both in 1.4 i-DSi and i-VTEC ) and 1.2 which could be 1198cc (i-VTEC 16 valve) or 1246cc (i-DSi twin plug 8 valve). So less than 100cc between 1.4 and 1.2 i-DSi engines WTF ???
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The cc's are not very different but the power and torque are.
My 1.2 i-DSi at 1246 cc gives 75 bhp and 81 ft lb of torque.
The 1.2 VTEC at 1198 cc gives 88 bhp and 84 ft lb of torque.
The 1.4 VTEC at 1339 cc gives 98 bhp and 94 ft lb of torque.
So there is an increase of over 30% in BHP between my engine and the 1.4. Quite a marked improvement.
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The cc's are not very different but the power and torque are.
My 1.2 i-DSi at 1246 cc gives 75 bhp and 81 ft lb of torque.
The 1.2 VTEC at 1198 cc gives 88 bhp and 84 ft lb of torque.
The 1.4 VTEC at 1339 cc gives 98 bhp and 94 ft lb of torque.
So there is an increase of over 30% in BHP between my engine and the 1.4. Quite a marked improvement.
Comparing i-DSi 1246 and I-VTEC 1339 is apples and oranges, the 1339cc i-DSi is only 82 bhp which is about 9% which is about what the extra capacity is (about 8%).
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What are you referencing for the 1339 cc i-DSi? Only references I can see for that engine was for a 136 bhp and a 94 bhp, as fitted to some Civics.
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What are you referencing for the 1339 cc i-DSi? Only references I can see for that engine was for a 136 bhp and a 94 bhp, as fitted to some Civics.
https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/hatchback-2002/specs/
on wikipedia it misses the 1339 i-Dsi 82 bhp engine fitted to UK Jazz entirely, but lists the higher powered 1.4 ones fitted to Civic
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Excellent. It was the Parkers site I got my numbers from. but I wasn't looking for a 1.4 i-DSi at that time. It shows just hove much more power the VTEC produces.
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Excellent. It was the Parkers site I got my numbers from. but I wasn't looking for a 1.4 i-DSi at that time. It shows just hove much more power the VTEC produces.
Having owned both the 1.4 idsi and 1.4 vtec I found the idsi more tractable and driveable around town (where Jazz spend a lot of their time) than ivtec due to different engine characteristics.
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Went for a test drive in a 1.4l cvt this morning and was impressed. It's obviously a bit slower accelerating than the Toyota Avensis it's replacing but adequate for my needs and a lot better mpg. I tried to get a deal from the local agent but he was going to cost over 1k more than the Scottish one for a lower grade model and about 10k more miles on the clock. I won't have the Honda warranty but sale of goods act offers some protection and I will have 1k to play with.
Hopefully the hunt will soon be over.
Thanks again to everyone for all the advice and tips.
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Good to hear, is the car from a franchise dealer, or a used car dealer?
As I said before, may be worth to compare this car with what's offered by a Honda Franchise Dealer. By the time you include the service, warranty, fixing bits here and there, plus the discount, the figure may be closed to what you pay from a used car dealer or private sale. Plus you know the car will be a good stock, no CAT c/d etc.
Good luck!
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The car I directed weeleyboy to is supplied by Arnold Clark, Scotland's largest car dealership, with over 200 outlets up and down the UK. Established in 1954 they are franchised dealers for the like of Ford, Vauxhall, Nissan, Peugeot, Volvo FIAT to name the ones I dealt with here. When I worked with them I was based in the Honda dealership in Kirkcaldy.
They are currently the 7th largest UK supplier of fleet vehicles.
What I like about their operation (as I have said earlier) is that if they have a vehicle you are interested in, they will transport it to an Arnold Clark dealer near you, irrespective of where it is in the country.
Having said all that, they are a car dealership supplying new and used cars, so the usual caveats apply!
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Hi,
My jazz camewith 2 year hondacare warranty which includes full aa membership, well worth having. I would only buy from a honda dealer,
Chris
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Hi guys, had my Jazz delivered from Scotland and first impressions are very favourable. It's 2014 1.4L EX CVT with just over 7000 on the clock from new and drives very smoothly. It's got a full service history and was over £1k cheaper than anything I could find locally which all had a much higher mileage. It has no spare wheel which I find a bit unsettling and will try and find a spare. Assume they are usually the space saver type but would a full size one fit the boot. I've heard that a Rover 25 wheel will fit or am I better getting something more expensive?
Another thing I will need is a tow bar and would appreciate any advice re makes etc. Would prefer a detachable type rather than fixed.
Derek
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I bought a Rover 25 spare wheel and tyre 5 years ago -unused for £25.. But Ebay has lots of Jazz ones which are later - so less likely to suffer rubber degradation.
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Congratulations.
It has no spare wheel.... I've heard that a Rover 25 wheel will fit or am I better getting something more expensive?
Could suffer from age related issues, a regular steel wheel from a base model 5.5Jx15 ET45 4x100 PCD with 175/65r15 tyre may be a better option. Circumference is within 0.3% of your 16" alloys so no need to worry about the 50 miles at 50 mph restriction with a spacesaver.
The under floor well is a decent space on your car, I'm sure someone can confirm that a full size wheel fits under the floor OK.
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TG
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My wife's 2012 Jazz has a full size spare in the wheelwell, came withoit any spare at all, and rather than buy a spare I got a set of 4 steel wheels with 175/65R15 Nokia winter tyres from mytyres and use a summer alloy as spare in winter and a winter steel wheel as spare in summer.
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I bought a matching, wheel, off an Ebay supplier. Then had a new, matching, Dunlop tyre fitted. This went to n/s front.
The 2,800ml original wheel, fitted perfectly into the wheel well. Held in place with a s/h retaining screw.
The only "mod", was to cut the carpet, to reveal the central retaining nut...... :)
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Congratulations! Yes, I have a steel full size wheel. It fits perfectly under the floor. I have noticed the car going a little slower with the weight but for me it's a must in case I need it during my driving lesson. Good to see you brought it from a main dealer. Did you get any discount?
Best wishes!
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8) I would recommend the 14..... ;) the 12 is a tad sluggish & under-powered. ;D
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Have you considered a Jazz Hybrid, 101 bhp and 55+mpg.
Mine has over 230,000 miles on it, so reliability is good. Try it, you might like it !
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I would like to thank Jocko for telling me about the one at Arnold Clarke which I ended up buying. When it arrived it was in excellent condition, the only blemish was a very small dent in the top of the tailgate which hadn't been mentioned at the time of purchase which I pointed out and they agreed to pay for it to be fixed.
I didn't go and collect it in the end but had it delivered on a trailer. I'd sold my car locally and by the time I paid for a flight up there and an overnight stop on the way back (600 mile trip - at one time may be but not now) plus fuel and the time spent it didn't seem too dear at £400 from doo r to door.
I would thoroughly recommend Arnold Clarke as an excellent company to deal with.
Very happy with it so far, very much easier to park than the Avensis which was much longer and fuel consumption very much improved. I picked up a space saver 15" wheel and tyre for £55 inc a jack and delivery and although I have 16" wheels it will get me home better than an aerosol! My next job is to find a suitable tow bar with a detachable tow ball so any suggestions welcome.
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I wouldn't be towing in a Jazz, when you can use the magic seats.
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Magic seats? I know they fold flat but I wouldn't want my garden rubbish inside the car.