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Title: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: RichardA on August 13, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
From @HondaProJason:

https://youtu.be/nYCOAnsuPtk
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 13, 2017, 07:17:24 PM
Not exactly a UK spec model, the steering wheel is on the wrong side.  :-)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: VicW on August 13, 2017, 07:20:39 PM
Even more electronic gizmos to go wrong. Have Honda sorted out the ones that we already have yet?
No mention of the performance options.

Vic.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: TG on August 13, 2017, 08:46:04 PM
Plus a write up via CarAndDriver.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-honda-fit-first-drive-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-honda-fit-first-drive-review)
128 photos: http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2018-honda-fit-first-drive-review-gallery#T1 (http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2018-honda-fit-first-drive-review-gallery#T1)

Note this is a 1.5 I4 made in a US factory to US specifications.  My favourite feature is "road-departure mitigtion" !

Another big deal for the segment is the availability of the Honda Sensing driver aids, which include not just forward-collision warning, automated emergency braking, and lane-keeping assist, but also road-departure mitigation and adaptive cruise control.
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TG
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 13, 2017, 08:58:30 PM
The only things there that we don't have is the 1.5 engine and adaptive cruise control.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: ColinB on August 14, 2017, 12:07:21 PM
Also looks like they've moved all the sensors out of the windscreen pod into a housing behind the front grille. So presumably these are now sensors that don't need to be swept by the wipers any more.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: TG on August 14, 2017, 06:09:03 PM
Sadly 'road departure mitigation' is less bizzare than I had imagined....

"RDM is designed to alert and assist the driver if the vehicle is about to unexpectedly leave the road. The system will apply strong steering correction and braking force to help stop the vehicle before a serious accident occurs.  If the system determines that its steering input is insufficient to keep the vehicle on the road, it may also apply braking force. Braking is applied only when the lane markings are solid continuous lines. The system cancels assist operations when the driver turns the wheel."

Welcome features are the Apple Carplay / Android Auto integration that should mean less fumbling with smartphones; the digital dash elements look like a welcome enhancement but the US Honda range has tended to have improved infotainment systems compared to the European offering for several years.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2gtnonc.png)
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TG
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Steve_M on August 14, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
Information about what Europe will get for 2018 Jazz facelift.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/100443/honda-jazz-facelifted-for-2018-with-styling-tweaks (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/100443/honda-jazz-facelifted-for-2018-with-styling-tweaks)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: John Ratsey on August 14, 2017, 06:46:21 PM
Information about what Europe will get for 2018 Jazz facelift.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/100443/honda-jazz-facelifted-for-2018-with-styling-tweaks (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/100443/honda-jazz-facelifted-for-2018-with-styling-tweaks)
No sign of the 1 litre 3 cylinder turbo but instead a 1.5 litre engine borrowed from the HR-V which will make the Jazz less in need of revs to get moving than the current engine.

At least Honda has the sense to retain physical controls for controlling the heating.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: richardfrost on August 15, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
instead a 1.5 litre engine borrowed from the HR-V

The HR/V engine in a Jazz will be interesting. Seriously considering a move back to the Jazz from my HR/V. I am really enjoying driving my son's 2005 GD around at the moment and for all local journeys it is first choice.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Downsizer on August 15, 2017, 10:54:00 AM
In deciding not to use the 3 cylinder turbo, Honda may be reacting to the new real world emissions testing regime in Europe.  Re styling, the back view is a distinct improvement in my view.  I've never understood the need for the large vent in the rear bumper of the present model

http://www.caradvice.com.au/490266/european-car-makers-to-upsize-engines-to-meet-real-world-emissions-tests-report/?source=plistas (http://www.caradvice.com.au/490266/european-car-makers-to-upsize-engines-to-meet-real-world-emissions-tests-report/?source=plistas)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: olduser1 on August 15, 2017, 11:08:23 AM
I wonder how much reduction in retail price will emerge for these improved models?
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: John Ratsey on August 15, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
In deciding not to use the 3 cylinder turbo, Honda may be reacting to the new real world emissions testing regime in Europe.  Re styling, the back view is a distinct improvement in my view.  I've never understood the need for the large vent in the rear bumper of the present model.
For me, an attraction of the smaller engine is that it will warm up faster. My HR-V seems to take at least 5 miles (more in winter) for the instantaneous mpg to get where it shoud be. Will any of the new tests replicate the cold engine, cold weather, short journey condition? This could provide manufacturers motivation to improve engine warm-up (thermostatic louvres in front of the radiator to minimise cold air entering the engine compartment is probably the easiest).

I agree that those "vents" on the back of the Mk 3 are ugly. They are actually solid and serve no function. I would stick some extra reflectors there.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 15, 2017, 01:12:58 PM
Radiator blanking devices were superseded by thermostats decades ago, the radiator is not used until the engine is hot. The thermostat (radiator) only opens and starts cooling when the heater can no longer provide adequate cooling.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: VicW on August 15, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
I thought that the report said that the existing engine would be used in the UK ?

Vic.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Downsizer on August 15, 2017, 01:41:45 PM
My reading of the article is that the current 1.3 litre unit will continue in all models except the new "Dynamic" model, which will have the 1.5 litre engine to go with red bits, spoilers etc.  Spoiler is a good description in my view!  No doubt this model will be more expensive to insure.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: John Ratsey on August 15, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
Radiator blanking devices were superseded by thermostats decades ago, the radiator is not used until the engine is hot. The thermostat (radiator) only opens and starts cooling when the heater can no longer provide adequate cooling.
I know about the thermostat. My point is to keep cold air out of the engine compartment until it is warmed up and a lot of that cold air will pass through the radiator. I believe that Kia have implemented a louvre system, together with capture of heat from the exhaust, on the Niro.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Jocko on August 15, 2017, 03:17:12 PM
I know that from reading the Hypermiler's site they say that they block the grill to prevent the cold air from chilling the block and manifold. On a cold morning the windchill factor means that the air flowing round the block is sub zero. Warmer intake air also improves economy (though slightly reduces power).
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 15, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
Life is too short to prat about with bits of cardboard stuffed into radiators, also I am sure the aircon will be impressed at losing the cooling air to its condenser. My car works fine as it is. I have been in both Canada and Norway in winter with a temperature of minus lots, I don't recall anyone blocking off their radiator. It would make for an interesting warranty claim, "My engine has overheating damage because I blocked off the radiator". I can see the dealers staff in hysterics, after you have left of course!
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: culzean on August 15, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Life is too short to prat about with bits of cardboard stuffed into radiators, also I am sure the aircon will be impressed at losing the cooling air to its condenser. My car works fine as it is. I have been in both Canada and Norway in winter with a temperature of minus lots, I don't recall anyone blocking off their radiator. It would make for an interesting warranty claim, "My engine has overheating damage because I blocked off the radiator". I can see the dealers staff in hysterics, after you have left of course!

It used to make sense to block off the rad in winter for faster warm-up when mechanical or viscous coupled fans were used on radiator which used to suck cold air all the time and blow it over the engine - slowing the warm-up (and have been known to cause cold radiators to freeze),  but with electric fans they don't kick in until engine is starting to overheat anyway.  Modern engines have the least volume of coolant they can safely get away with so this also speeds up the warm-up time.

I remember you could fit radiator blinds with a cable and a handle inside the car to raise and lower the blind, but a lot of 'low tech' people did use cardboard.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Jocko on August 15, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
I had a Ford 100E, with a radiator about 3' tall. In the winter I hung a lump of cardboard blanking the bottom half of the radiator, held like a framed picture, by wire hung from the filler cap.

(http://i.imgur.com/r1HipUK.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 15, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Things have moved on a bit since then, I doubt if a 100E had an engine ECU to be confused by DIY radiator modification. :-)

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/radiator-blinds.htm (http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/radiator-blinds.htm)

I remember them too!
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Jocko on August 15, 2017, 09:19:19 PM
I remember the ones on the A30. When the company stopped making them they moved over to Gimp suits.
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: culzean on August 15, 2017, 09:25:06 PM
here is a more modern take on the radiator blind / shutter

http://www.car-engineer.com/radiator-shutter-reduced-aerodynamic-drag/ (http://www.car-engineer.com/radiator-shutter-reduced-aerodynamic-drag/)
Title: Re: 2018 Honda Fit With a New Sport Trim, HFP Package & Standard Sensing
Post by: Deeps on August 15, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
 Ford were using a similar system on their "Eco" models a few years ago.

https://youtu.be/fE87WmiEwyI

https://youtu.be/6K4eh-BDR9g