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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: The first signs of winter..
« on: Today at 07:57:23 AM »
And the answer is: Car started and pretty much immediately went to fast idle. No problems on the ice either. I was a bit concerned about our office drive and car park but she was absolutely fine.

What I'd like to know is, is the 2017 MK4 1.5 vtec even better ??
1.5 litres with a CVT could be a pretty hot car in the right hands. I hope that option is available although it might attract some of the undesirable types :)

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: The first signs of winter..
« on: December 11, 2017, 07:27:47 PM »
Minus six C this morning, a clear sky, frosty, and a hint of fog. My Jazz started immediately at the first turn of the key and ran normally. The steering wheel was a bit cold though!
I haven't started mine since Friday as I was working from home today. We'll see how it starts tomorrow I suppose. Still - so far it's doing nothing particularly untoward which is nice but I'm curious as to why. I've just checked here and I was still whinging about it last February after my service so it doesn't look like anything the dealer could have done.

Tomorrow will be interesting for other reasons - I'll probably find out how this version of the Jazz performs on ice. Previous ones were a bit 'rev happy' and this one has a torque converter that apparently gives more low-end power which isn't what you want on ice :-/

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Jazz security.
« on: December 10, 2017, 08:01:19 AM »
The fob listens 27/7 and replies to the car when interrogated.
Seems a bit wasteful of the battery. 24/7 ought to be enough I feel  :P

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Installing Android Apps on your head unit
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:37:40 PM »
Why is it not possible up upgrade the Android version with a download from the Android website, in the same manner as you would with Win8 to Win10? or have I completely misunderstood the problem.
No, that's a reasonable question. The most likely reason we can't is because 'Android' comes in many flavours and is typically customised for the hardware it will run on. It may be possible to customise the current version in the same way and install that but I doubt it. Each major version of Android tends to be bigger and perform more tasks than the previous one. It's unlikely that the infotainment unit has enough memory or processing power to handle the current version. I'd be pretty sure that it was given just enough resources for what it was sold as with no spare capacity for anything else.

It's also likely that Honda/Pioneer have attempted to prevent that being done they don't want us to. They'd probably argue that it could damage the infotainment unit or cause a malfunction that destroys the global ecosystem or some such drivel. It's not really in their interest to let us. They'd far rather sell us a new vehicle. Or maybe even they just don't give a damn and the easiest way for them is to make it such that there's nothing we can do so we won't bother them about it.

In way that's fair enough. We bought a car not a computer with wheels. could have been a lot better than it was. They could have gone with better hardware, up to date software and produced a world leading infotainment experience that demonstrated they had their finger on the pulse of modern personal technology.

But they didn't. Maybe next time  :'(

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Installing Android Apps on your head unit
« on: December 07, 2017, 07:43:44 PM »
I have tried to add Google maps to my 2017 reg jazz. Using the two regular methods I have failed totally. cmdroid permissions won't install. I use LGMirrordrive to connect up and have gmaps ready on the phone front screen. A bit clunky but it works. Samsung car mode does not mirrorlink. What is the problem and what is the cure?
The problem is Honda/Pioneer not understanding the pace of change in the IT world and probably not giving a flying fig anyway. The version of Android that the infotainment unit runs on was obsolete before the car even went on sale.

Hardware manufacturers have never understood software and never given it the credit it deserves. To them it's an afterthought - something to be farmed out to the lowest bidder. There is so much more they could have done here. They could have produced something revolutionary something genuinely significant. Instead they shovelled out some barely functioning crap and pretty much forgot about it.

Others are reporting success with mounting Sygic & Google Maps on the Connect system itself, ie not bothering with MirrorLink at all, see this:
Not tried it myself, I'm kind of used to using my phone as a stand-alone nav system.
If you use your phone as a music source you can have satnav instructions sent over the car's audio system along with music so the two aren't competing.

You seem to have got further than most of us. Last I tried I concluded that the version of Mirrorlink that the Honda uses (old and deprecated same as the software running the infotainment unit) just wasn't compatible with the modern version on phones.

All I ever manage with my S7 Edge was an acknowledgement by the infotainment unit that a Mirrorlink device was attached then my phone screen went black and required a reboot to come back. That was a year ago though and I think I read that Mirrorlink 2 (the modern version) was going to get compatibility with the older version so perhaps they rolled that out finally.

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: The first signs of winter..
« on: December 05, 2017, 04:17:24 PM »
Interestingly so far my car hasn't got any worse. It's still starting at what I'd call 'warm idle' but it picks up to 'cold idle'  within a second. One might almost think that was just a sensible way to do things - waiting half a second for oil to get pushed around before adopting the required idle speed. Certainly there's been no stuttering or near stalling so far.

The dealer didn't say they did anything back in February so I can't see why this year it should be better. 
We've had most of the varieties of weather I'd expect down here over winter by now so apparently it's sorted. I just hope it continues this way.

Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Jazz security.
« on: November 30, 2017, 07:41:44 PM »
but I don't understand how the keyfob can listen 24/7 and respond without the power being applied.
The key fob has a battery in it. It is probably listening 24/7 but only transmits when the car 'asks' it to. With modern electronics I would guess that a short range receiver requires very little power. In fact it's possible that as Culzean says the receiver is just using passive RFID the same as contactless payment cards use. So the battery in the fob may only be used when transmitting a code.

Are you sure you haven't got blocked ventilation outflow vents? It sounds to be misting as if it could/ would in recirculate mode i.e. there is not a free flow of warm moist air leaving the cabin or even that fresh air is not entering in the first place. Just a thought. It could be a low tech issue like a blocked pollen filter!
I don't think so. It isn't as bad as if it was in recirc mode, this is just a gradual build up. I had it on my Mk2 and my Mk3 and it's often been mentioned here and on the wider web so I'm pretty sure it's just poor ventilation design. As I mentioned earlier the Mk2 had the added 'bonus' that if you left it blowing air at the windscreen after an hour it would switch to blowing out cold air. Hardly what you want in the middle of winter :-/

It's one thing I miss from my old Nissan days. With my three Nissans as long as you had your aircon on you could drive on recirc forever without it misting up, the system was that good. My first Civic was fine but that was the joint effort between Rover and Honda and actually had a centre windscreen vent on the top of the dash. After that all my Hondas have suffered misting to some degree, usually in the rear even though I'm usually the only one in the vehicle. My first Jazz was like that but the last two have been worse.

I find that the heater fan dosen't cut in, until the engine temperature light goes off, thus ensuring that you don't get unwanted cold air blowing in, at the start of your journey.
I never seem to,be troubled by a misted screen, maybe because the car is normally kept in the garage overnight.
I find it tends to build up during a long journey or even a short one if it's cold enough outside. It's something of a known issue - or at least one that a lot of people have complained about over the years.

I like climate control because it's mostly a set and forget thing. Unfortunately since the Mk2 it's not been quite so good. Both Mk2 and Mk3 have a tendency to get steamed up. The climate control is supposed to direct air toward the windscreen automatically but it's not very good at it. Typically it will direct it at the screen for a minute or so from start then never again which is unlikely to be enough in most cases. For both the Mk2 and Mk3 I resorted to setting the output to screen and feet (overriding the climate control for that but leaving it to handle everything else). One improvement with the Mk3 is that you can do that for as long as you want. The Mk2 had an annoying fault that meant after an hour set that way the CC would start pumping out cold air.

Mind you this evening was a bit weird suggesting the Mk3 has other foibles. Leaving the office car park the temp was 11 degrees outside and slightly misty. With the CC set to auto apart from vent set to screen and feet the fan was off. I was beginning to think it was broken and was just about to stop before joining the main road when it suddenly woke up at level 3. Most odd.

I certainly don't accept some people's description of the CVT as being 'loud and whiny'. At high RPM loud and growly is a better description. I tested it tonight driving up a steepish dual carriageway between the M40 and Middleton Cheney. I left the car in 'D' and from 30 up to 80 with my foot to the floor revs are not constant - they rise from 4,000 to the red line. They only become constant when they reach the redline and that ain't no whine - a manual car would sound the same at that point. I think that in 'S' the revs would start at 4,500 so would top out earlier.

And for another point: Coming down that hill in the morning my Jazz will sit at 60mph for the last half mile with no acceleration input. Despite that I pulled away from everyone else leaving the roundabout quite easily and eventually reached 100mph(*) before having to back off as the next roundabout approached. The Jazz might not be a sports car but it's no slouch either.

(*)All purely out of scientific interest you understand ;)

One thing I am going to do, at some point, is try out a CVT. I have dissed them based on the noise and clutch slipping sensation I've experienced in an Auris and a Jazz but this was as a passenger. I really need to see for myself.
To be honest I don't think you'll be aware of it unless you're in the habit of flooring the accelerator all the time. For a more sensible driver it doesn't really sound or feel much different to a manual. Personally I quite like the constant cute growl while accelerating. It tells me that the engine is working hard. I find now that being in a conventional car sounds odd with the engine being moved around it's rev range in a desperate attempt to get the power or the efficiency that the driver is looking for.

Horses for courses.

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