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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Upsetting sight.
« Last post by trebor1652 on Today at 01:23:38 PM »
I'm with you.
As you said made more distressing by its sibling not knowing why its pal won't get up.

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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: New owners.
« Last post by Jocko on Today at 01:20:29 PM »
Here is one hybrid I would have, at the drop of a hat. Love the fact that for my Monday to Friday motoring the engine would never need to start.

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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: A boy's day out.
« Last post by Jocko on Today at 01:16:34 PM »
Just realised how sexist my choice of title is, especially when  the last track day experience I attended was for my step-daughter, for whom we got a Ferrari driving day.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: New owners.
« Last post by andruec on Today at 01:15:24 PM »
I am deeply sceptical when it comes to hybrid cars. Who are the meant to benefit, the manufacturer to meet their C02 targets to avoid taxation of the user? They may be of benefit to the user in heavy traffic but I rarely drive in those conditions.
I have my doubts as well. I view hybrid technology as a way to reclaim lost energy and as an efficient driver I don't lose much in the first place. For instance I doubt I'll generate much power through the brakes since I hardly ever use them. However I will reclaim some through engine braking. From talking to someone I know who drives in a similar way that should reduce fuel costs quite significantly. I think she said she's averaging over 60mpg on a commute similar to mine (10 miles rural main road, 2 miles urban).

But I'm not really that bothered about the environmental side of things. I'd prefer to minimise my impact but I also take the long term view which is that all technology improvements are good because they all have the potential to trigger someone to come up with something even better. Everything humans invent becomes a tool in our arsenal in the great 'battle against the universe'. If some of those have negative effects then so be it - you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. I also like technology if it works well and looks good and so far most of the hybrid dashboards that Honda has produced have looked good. And the technology does seem to work well.

Will it save me money? Doubtful. But then if I cared about money the easy way to save it is not to throw it away on a new car in the first place. Will it reduce my environmental impact during my ownership of it? Maybe. About the only thing I'm pretty sure it will do is somewhat reduce the amount of pollution my driving creates.
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On a motorway or free flowing A road the batteries, motors etc are just extra weight to carry.
Which as you ought to realise is irrelevant. You, yourself, pointed out that it's acceleration that requires the most work from the engine. On motorways and in free flowing traffic there is little acceleration and thus the weight of the car is largely unimportant.

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There is no free lunch or miles to be had. I would guess that electricity used as road fuel will be taxed somehow, the government can't afford not to if electricity ever becomes a viable fuel. I believe that battery power is a stopgap until hydrogen fuel cells become cost effective.
Of course, but there's no avoiding death and taxes so it's hardly an argument against the idea. As for hydrogen - no thanks. At least, not yet. Hydrogen is not a fuel. It's an energy transport medium. That's because on Earth you don't find it lying around. You have to make it and most of those methods require quite a lot of energy. There are I believe a couple of chemical ways of producing it but I don't think they've been perfected yet.

But really this is about a few things for me:
* The dashboards look 'cool'.
* The technology is effective and works well.
* It will slightly, in at least one way, reduce the damage I do when I drive.
* It's clear that electric power is going to take over in cars over the next decade. I'm optimistic that the next Hybrid Honda sell in the UK will have a more reasonable price. It has to because it'll be their mainstream offering so they can't stick a premium on it.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Upsetting sight.
« Last post by Jocko on Today at 01:08:32 PM »
I came upon an upsetting sight, today while driving along a fairly busy country B road. A young fox cub had been knocked down in the carriageway, but what made it particularly upsetting was its young brother or sister refused to leave the body, and was dodging round the cars, just waiting on its turn to come. My wife was really upset. If there had been a safe place to stop and park I would have lifted the body and put it in the field. At least then its sibling would have had a chance. However, as it is a twisty road, with banks at the side I didn't get the chance.
Some of you may be thinking, good riddance to vermin, but all I saw was a young life lost and another at serious risk.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: New owners.
« Last post by Skyrider on Today at 12:50:20 PM »
I am deeply sceptical when it comes to hybrid cars. Who are they meant to benefit, the manufacturer to meet their C02 targets to avoid taxation or the user? They may be of benefit to the user in heavy traffic but I rarely drive in those conditions. On a motorway or free flowing A road the batteries, motors etc are just extra weight to carry. There is no free lunch or miles to be had. I would guess that electricity used as road fuel will be taxed somehow, the government can't afford not to if electricity ever becomes a viable fuel. I believe that battery power is a stopgap until hydrogen fuel cells become cost effective.

In the meantime OPEC are upping oil production by 1,000,000 barrels a day, we might even see a price drop at the pumps eventually. :-)
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Mk2 cvt verses mk3
« Last post by andruec on Today at 12:25:48 PM »
You have to use the paddles to " change gear" yourself in Sport mode, otherwise it is just like Drive with higher engine revs for a more lively response to the accelerator. To get back to auto in Sport mode you hold the ""up" paddle for a few seconds.
That's the same as the 1.3 in 'D' mode but in 'D' mode the 1.3 also reverts back to normality if you stop, or if you just maintain speed for several seconds. It means that the paddles are only really useful for downhill engine braking or temporarily taking control, eg for an overtake. I haven't driven my 1.3 in 'S' but I seem to recall that the Mk2 was happier to let you stay in 7-speed mode until you stopped.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: New owners.
« Last post by andruec on Today at 11:10:18 AM »
I agree, some people don't like change, even if it is an improvement. I don't understand why some people buy a car because of the name on the car. I think a purchase as important as a car requires research and an extensive test drive before a decision is made. The only thing I did not like about the 1.3 was the Atkinson cycle but that can be driven around. I put my money where my mouth is an solved the bit I did not like by buying a 1.5. Having the facelift improvements was a bonus!
Totally agree.  If they put the 1.5 in an EX before my next change is due (March 2019), then that is the route that I will be taking.  Otherwise it will be an HR-V, subject to test drive and afordability.
If they raised the spec of the 1.5 - made the engine an option with an EX - I'd consider it. Best of all though would be the hybrid version that Malaysia has because that has the 1.5l engine.

As regards 7th gear whilst I don't know about the Mk3 on the Mk1 7th wasn't quite as long a ratio. That makes sense if you think about it. You don't want the highest discrete gear to include ratios in its nominal range that are barely useable. That compromises the whole box and selection of gearing. But with a CVT that's a none issue. As long as the physical size and layout of a CVT allows a given ratio you might as well do so until you get to ratios that are truly useless.

The CVT is also more readily and easily capable of adjusting. A manual driver could get fed up having to change from 7th down to 6th because of an incline on a motorway or a hill on a main road. But again that's not a consideration for a CVT because the driver doesn't care how often it adjusts the ratio and hopefully isn't even aware of it doing it.

So I would expect the longest gear ratios to only be available on the CVT equipped models.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: New owners.
« Last post by Skyrider on Today at 10:39:44 AM »
I agree, some people don't like change, even if it is an improvement. I don't understand why some people buy a car because of the name on the car. I think a purchase as important as a car requires research and an extensive test drive before a decision is made. The only thing I did not like about the 1.3 was the Atkinson cycle but that can be driven around. I put my money where my mouth is an solved the bit I did not like by buying a 1.5. Having the facelift improvements was a bonus!

Sky whats the 7th mode like on cruising at 70mph will it take hills without having to change down or slowdown i mean as in that mode it must save on the fuel.

No idea, I am in Drive 99% of the time. The CVT will be in its highest ratio when cruising at any speed on a level road, it will reduce its ratio as required on an up grade. It really defeats the object of a CVT to use manual ratio selection except in specific (rare) circumstances. It does a better job than  a mere human so it is best to let it get on with it. Using cruise control the engine revs and CVT both vary to maintain the selected speed depending on the gradient.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Mk2 cvt verses mk3
« Last post by Skyrider on Today at 10:31:58 AM »
You have to use the paddles to " change gear" yourself in Sport mode, otherwise it is just like Drive with higher engine revs for a more lively response to the accelerator. To get back to auto in Sport mode you hold the ""up" paddle for a few seconds.
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