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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: JazzyJJ on May 25, 2018, 10:37:44 PM

Title: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: JazzyJJ on May 25, 2018, 10:37:44 PM
How are those with key less entry protecting their keys from people copying the keys signal and running off with the Jazz?

I knows its 'only' a Jazz but you never know.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MONOJOY-Blocking-Antitheft-Protection-Security/dp/B076KZF645/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1527284278&sr=8-3&keywords=keyless+car+key+signal+blocker
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 25, 2018, 10:45:29 PM
If you really think your Jazz is at risk of being stolen from your home, ( must be a really rough area ) keep the keys in a metal container, a biscuit tin is one option. Any tin with a lid will do.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: ColinS on May 26, 2018, 07:33:59 AM
I do nothing. When not in use my car resides in a locked garage. But to be honest, I could, and have in the past, leave a car in my drive with the keys in it.  So glad to live in rural Dorset.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 26, 2018, 09:00:55 AM
I do nothing. When not in use my car resides in a locked garage. But to be honest, I could, and have in the past, leave a car in my drive with the keys in it.  So glad to live in rural Dorset.

Similar here, just a bit (or a lot) to the north. It's all about location!. :-)
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: culzean on May 26, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
If you really think your Jazz is at risk of being stolen from your home, ( must be a really rough area ) keep the keys in a metal container, a biscuit tin is one option. Any tin with a lid will do.

Wrap it in kitchen foil or a metalised crisp packet as a temporary fix.  Even the budgies cage may do it, it is called a 'Faraday cage' after the great scientist (it is the same principle as the 'see through' metal mesh door on your microwave.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/27/australian-sacked-skipping-work-using-crisp-packet-hide-whereabouts/
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: JazzyJJ on May 26, 2018, 09:41:09 AM
If you really think your Jazz is at risk of being stolen from your home, ( must be a really rough area ) keep the keys in a metal container, a biscuit tin is one option. Any tin with a lid will do.

Nah, I’m not in a rough area. Doubt anyone wants to nick and export a Jazz. Just wondered about best practice since I’ve seen it done on tv etc. However, the local thief’s will do it for fun once they get hold of the tech. As I wrote fun and Jazz I thought... “nah” they won’t  :P
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: trebor1652 on May 26, 2018, 09:43:31 AM
I don't know why the remote doesn't have an on/off switch, after all there is already a slider to release the key. Something similar is needed to turn the remote off.

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Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: ColinS on May 26, 2018, 09:51:17 AM
I don't know why the remote doesn't have an on/off switch, after all there is already a slider to release the key. Something similar is needed to turn the remote off.

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At some stage it gets to the point where you may as well use a key.  Some may say that it is at that point already.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: culzean on May 26, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
I don't know why the remote doesn't have an on/off switch, after all there is already a slider to release the key. Something similar is needed to turn the remote off.

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At some stage it gets to the point where you may as well use a key.  Some may say that it is at that point already.

What is convenient for the rightful owner is often very convenient for the criminal fraternity as well  :-X

Nothing that uses radio waves or is connected to the internet is secure,  I used to like my original Civic which used infra-red keyfob to lock and unlock doors - sensor was up by front interior lights / drivers mirror.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 26, 2018, 11:53:10 AM
"As I wrote fun and Jazz I thought... “nah” they won’t"

I take it you have not driven a 1.5 Jazz?  Floor a 1.5 and you certainly surprise a few people! :-)
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: JazzyJJ on May 26, 2018, 01:38:50 PM
Unfortunately not. Wish they had that engine in all models. I take back the fun and jazz comment - was jokey, i genuinely enjoying driving my 07 manual jazz. I push it these days and it works for me. Maybe I’m so used to driving it that i know what it can do. Anyway.... let’s hope I get to that point with the cvt.

I’d look like a boy racer type in the 1.5 sport... just didn’t fit the look I wanted.. shame.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 26, 2018, 05:37:51 PM
I’d look like a boy racer type in the 1.5 sport... just didn’t fit the look I wanted.. shame.

I would prefer one without the boy racer plastic body kit but I am of an age where I don't care what others think of me. :-)
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: guest7675 on May 27, 2018, 10:47:27 AM
To be honest im glad my sport i have ordered does not have keyless entry.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: andruec on May 27, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
To be honest im glad my sport i have ordered does not have keyless entry.
Heh. I don't think many people would want to go back. I thought it was a pointless gimmick at first but now I wish the technology would evolve to the point where I could safely use it for my house. I find the whole idea of having to use a specially shaped piece of metal to open a door archaic. And even the idea of pressing a button now seems quaint.

In any case I wouldn't consider the sport unless Honda equip it properly. As currently marketed it's the runt of the litter and the only thing it has going for it is a bit more pep. Whoop-dee-doo. There are few situations where that is useful. On the other hand climate control is useful almost every day of the year.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 27, 2018, 12:23:23 PM
To be honest im glad my sport i have ordered does not have keyless entry.

+1. I once had a car with a keyless system , did not like it and one reason I bought an SE. So glad the Sport does not have keyless or climate. It's a pity Honda didn't put the 1.5 engine in an SE, or maybe they did!
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 27, 2018, 12:35:36 PM
As currently marketed it's the runt of the litter and the only thing it has going for it is a bit more pep. Whoop-dee-doo.

Wrong!

The 1.5 and possibly all the facelift models have a strengthened body shell, revised suspension settings, stiffened steering rack mounts, is quieter, and is a different driving experience. Even Mrs Skyrider noticed the difference and bearing in mind she used a pre facelift SE for two years, said "This one feels more solid and planted on the road", her technical knowledge is minimal and she has certainly never provoked VTEC into action!
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Jocko on May 27, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
I think andruec was referring to it being the runt of the facelift models litter.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 27, 2018, 12:57:57 PM
I think andruec was referring to it being the runt of the facelift models litter.

And sounds like someone who has not driven one.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: andruec on May 27, 2018, 03:59:28 PM
I think andruec was referring to it being the runt of the facelift models litter.

And sounds like someone who has not driven one.
I don't need to. The official specification shows it to be lacking a number of features available on higher spec models. Honda have clearly removed some features in order to try and keep the price down. It's a boy racer's car for people on a reduced income. If all you care about is performance (pointless on a road car on today's roads) then it's a reasonable choice. But if you want something with features that are actually useful you need to look elsewhere at the better specified models in the range.

Basically: It's a toy, built down to a price.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 27, 2018, 05:30:39 PM
As I said above, an improved SE with the bigger engine, my ideal car. The only downside is the bodykit. As you are a self confessed gadget  addict does your EX have the ultimate gadget, a CVT? It is far easier to use and is more efficient than a DIY gearbox.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: culzean on May 27, 2018, 05:47:06 PM

It's a boy racer's car for people on a reduced income.

Basically: It's a toy, built down to a price.

Wow do you realise how snobbish you sound ?

Personally as someone who thinks cars have become too complicated and too expensive (and those two are linked) I would not mind a simpler car with better performance.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Skyrider on May 27, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

It's a boy racer's car for people on a reduced income.

Basically: It's a toy, built down to a price.

Wow do you realise how snobbish you sound ?

Personally as someone who thinks cars have become too complicated and too expensive (and those two are linked) I would not mind a simpler car with better performance.

He can't be a snob, he only has a superseded EX model.  :-)
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: JazzyJJ on May 27, 2018, 08:19:07 PM
I find the whole idea of having to use a specially shaped piece of metal to open a door archaic. And even the idea of pressing a button now seems quaint.

Exactly what I think and said to the salesman ... why are we using a piece of metal to open & start the car. I understand the security risk and other peoples preferences.. I just prefer not handling a key if the tech is available not too.
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: culzean on October 06, 2018, 09:04:12 PM
Here is an interesting article on keyless RFID systems and how simple they are to defeat, as I said earlier in thread anything wireless or connected to internet is open to anyone and certainly not secure.

https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/automotive/rfid-ignition-system.htm
Title: Re: Protecting Keyless Entry?
Post by: Madelvic on February 26, 2019, 09:47:53 PM
If you really think your Jazz is at risk of being stolen from your home, ( must be a really rough area ) keep the keys in a metal container, a biscuit tin is one option. Any tin with a lid will do.
Oh no it doesn't!  Tried it with key in a tin, could still open the car doors keylessly.  Need to buy a bespoke pouch, all of £6 on Amazon