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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Sidot on July 31, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
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Help needed by an elderly Jazz driver please.
Had the car three years now and still not comfortable with the system.
The car has been back several times and the system always comes on the screen on the motorway. I only motorway drive on holiday or infrequently. I know how to reset it ( initialise).
Latest visit to garage was three weeks ago and they said they have done everything that Honda have instructed them to. This has happened before. For health reasons I have a new automatic on order to collect on return from holiday. But I'm using my present manual gearbox car to drive in France next week.
Question is.....do I check the tyre pressures, inflate to correct pressure and reset...knowing I have done this several times over the years and it has always given me false warnings or do I leave alone and hop off in hope?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Sidot - worth having a look at a thread called "Tyre Pressure Warning System - Danger of crying wolf too often" started by Mike Bore with more than a few entries from your truly!
In a nutshell, my experience was as follows: Bought a 10 month old Mk 3 Jazz in February this year with just under 7,000 miles on the clock. First bit of motorway driving, light came on. Pulled off the motorway and checked pressures at a petrol station - all OK.
2 weeks later, a bit more motorway driving and the light came on again. Ignored it this time but checked tyres on getting home - pressures were perfect. Recalibrated system as per manual.
2 weeks further on - bit more motorway - light came on. Ignored it. Checked at home, pressures normal. Recalibrated system again. Checked with local dealer and agreed that next time the light came on I would NOT recalibrate but bring the car in to be looked at.
Since then, the system has not activated once despite several motorway trips. It's been OK for the last 3 months despite the hot weather. I recalibrate every time I check the tyre pressures.
I gather the system is very sensitive. Why mine did it and then stopped doing it is a complete mystery. One thing worth checking is this - are all the tyres the same brand and tread pattern? are they all at the same state of wear? I gather if you have a different type and condition of tyre on any axle it can cause issues.
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If it is currently ok then my advice would be leave alone and hop off in hope! Changing pressures, or even checking them is likely to set it off again.
It is relatively easy to recalibrate (reset) the system. I would get the garage to show you how to do this while taking notes. And then do it yourself immediately in front of them. It is far easier to learn by doing than by reading instructions.
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My local dealer has had so many questions about this system they’ve found it necessary to put a special sign in the service reception area. See this post:
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=8667.msg61213#msg61213
(the image is easier to read in the post following that one after it was re-posted in portrait format)
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I’m pretty sure that on my HRV after you reset the system you had to drive a certain distance at a certain speed before the reset 'locked in'. It might have been 25 miles at 40mph or something. Basically, a modest motorway journey. I might have dreamed that but I don’t think so.
Can't see why that would be necessary as my current Toyota manages just fine. I have replaced a tyre, had one repaired and reinflated one several times before that and the reset was immediately effective. But then Honda does have a general tendency to over complicate things, whereas Toyota are famed for simplifying things.
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I have never had any problem, in 3 months ownership. Even after topping up.
I have run the procedure, once. For familiarisation.....
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If it is currently ok then my advice would be leave alone and hop off in hope! Changing pressures, or even checking them is likely to set it off again.
It is relatively easy to recalibrate (reset) the system. I would get the garage to show you how to do this while taking notes. And then do it yourself immediately in front of them. It is far easier to learn by doing than by reading instructions.
That would be my advice as well. It's annoying but don't let it spoil your trip.
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Thank you all for your replies.
I shall kick each tyre and then set off in hope.!
I'm a Jazz enthusiast and am hoping that my next car which is to be of necessity an automatic will be free from TPWS problems.
Thanks again.
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Im back from holiday.
675 miles in UK and France.
Guess what......that's it TPWS on all the time no matter what I do.
Ignore it....reset it.....reinflate tyres and reset it, nothing stopped it coming on.
It's a shame because other than that the car performed very well.
Got a SE CVT on order and can't wait to say cheerio to this car.
I'm saying that whoever buys this car from Brindley Honda will get a very good car with only 18k miles on the clock and a TPWS that cannot be cured from malfunctioning.
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Hope it didn't spoil the holiday.
These things are a complete mystery. I have never found out why mine kept coming on and why, for no apparent reason, the fault cured itself.
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I had a couple of self inflicted ones with my last Jazz, none with this one, although I have checked and adjusted the pressures and reset the system three times (monthly).
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My neighbour overcame his TPMS problems by letting some air out of his tyres so they were all 2psi below the recommended pressures. He reset the system then inflated the tyres to their normal pressures, which for him is 2psi over the manufacture's figures. He did it in the morning when the tyres were at there coldest. I don't know if this is the right thing to do but it worked for him.
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That might work, put the tyre pressures up to the maximum recommended pressure, initialise and run like that for long enough for the system to calibrate itself and then repeat at normal operating pressures. Certainly worth a try.
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I might have another solution.
I recently had to change one front tyre, because of a serious cut in the tread, probably caused by a pothole.
This change has since caused the TPWS to activate several times, I guess due to the differing tread depth between the left and right hand tyres, although only about 1.5 mm.
Yesterday on my usual trip 'oop north ', a 240 mile round trip, the TPWS activated again, early on in the journey on the M42.
I stopped at the next services and checked TP and reset the system.
It did not activate again during the next 200+ miles.
Could it be that, resetting the TPWS on straight motorway type roads, rather than twisty urban roads has made the difference?
Certainly it is logical to think that this is so, time will tell!!
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Good point, my self inflicted ones were after a system reset and onto a motorway. Maybe the system has to work out a max and min rotation rate for each wheel. If these are close together due to predominantly straight running the system might not give itself enough leeway for the trigger level. How's that for clutching at straws.
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My last time, due to having new front tyres, I had to reset three times on motorway / dual carriageway only driving all on the same trip. It has only happened to my on two occasions. Once when the car was new and again when I had new tyres. I would kind of expect that due to bedding in. I never re-inflated them on either occasion, just re-calibrated.
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I had this issue on my first trip on M25 at constant 70mph. Reset when tyres when hot. Did same trip again few months later with no issues.
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It's almost as if the system has to adjust to the owner! I'm still on no issues after 3 false alarms early in my ownership, all 3 triggered by motorway driving (unless that was just co-incidence.)
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140 motorway miles on Sunday on a warm day. No tyre pressure warning. I have now settled into a routine of recalibrating every month after checking the tyres.
The system seems to be working when looking at the lights on the instrument display when you turn on the ignition.
I guess I will never know why it went off 3 times in succession after motorway drives early in my ownership. It can't be bedding down of tyres because they seem to be the originals (the car only had 7,000 on the clock when I bought it).
I'm content with this (I had an arrangement with the dealers that I would bring the car in with the light showing next time it happened) but it remains a mystery and, looking through various posts on this forum but also on other Honda forums, it seems the system playing up for no reason then settling down is not uncommon. I'm still thinking it might be the change of owner - lowish mileage - first owner never gone about 40 mph? Who knows?
The issue now is that I will assume that any future warning is a false alarm which rather defeats the object of having a system in the first place.
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The system is a Joke
Last week I got a puncture with a screw, from a standing start. I was alerted to it by the fact that it was driving strangly, well I knew I had a puncture instantly, from experience. The tyre was totally deflated
The warning system didnt go off, until it had been changed for the spare!
When it got fixed, and the proper wheel replaced, the warning light went off!
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I agree the system is a joke. As applied by Honda, it serves no useful purpose and I now drive as if it doesn't exist. Fortunately the random alarms after fast motorway driving (it was that and only that that set mine off) have ceased. They went off for no reason and they have stopped going off - also for no discernible reason.
The better ones have a sensor on each wheel.
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I agree the system is a joke.
Only for some people, for most it works perfectly.
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Is it that the system monitors in a range?
For example, if the tyre is under pressure by say 20% it is triggered or if it is over pressure by 20% it is triggered.
This might explain why it is triggered on a motorway in hot temperatures with a high road surface temperature and thus the tyre over inflated because it is much hotter than normal?
Naturally, not triggering from start when the tyre is totally flat is rather stupid!
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I agree the system is a joke. As applied by Honda, it serves no useful purpose and I now drive as if it doesn't exist. Fortunately the random alarms after fast motorway driving (it was that and only that that set mine off) have ceased. They went off for no reason and they have stopped going off - also for no discernible reason.
The better ones have a sensor on each wheel.
Maybe they tinkered too much with the MK3 system, I have never had a problem, alerted me when I had alloy corrosion and wheel was losing about 4 psi a week. also when I picked up a woodscrew, and when I swap from winters to summers and back on Civic I have to recalibrate, on my wifes Jazz I don't have to.
The 'better ones' are expensive to maintain, my bro has a Suzuki Vitara with 'a sensor in each wheel' and he bought new steels and winters ( against my advice, I told him if you have sensors in the wheel get all season tyres - if you get new wheels it will cost you for sensors and for programming them in every year) - he put the steels on and his dash lit up like a christmas tree - he had to take them off and will put them back on when he has time to go to dealer to get the sensors 'programmed in' to his ECU, reverse when he swaps wheels in spring £££'s - worst thing is batteries last 3 years. Lots of makers use ABS system.
The system is a Joke
Last week I got a puncture with a screw, from a standing start. I was alerted to it by the fact that it was driving strangly, well I knew I had a puncture instantly, from experience. The tyre was totally deflated
Maybe I am old school but I always do a quick check of tyres before I start the car, especially if it has been parked for a while 1. to check I still have 4 wheels. 2. to check no tyres looks under-inflated ( ie flat at the bottom'.
I agree the system is a joke.
Only for some people, for most it works perfectly.
I don't have a mark 3 but never had a problem on our Jazzes or Civic.
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The system is a Joke
Last week I got a puncture with a screw, from a standing start. I was alerted to it by the fact that it was driving strangly, well I knew I had a puncture instantly, from experience. The tyre was totally deflated
I think the tyre deflating while the vehicle is parked will catch the system out as it is based on comparing the wheel rotation speeds while moving and must include some averaging in order to not be caught out by factors such as turning a corner. Hence it would notice a deflated tyre, but not immediately on pulling away but, as you discovered, a driver should quickly notic a flat tyre.
Where it should work usefully is warning about the partially deflated tyre which isn't immediately noticeable in the vehicle handling. Imagine your tyre only being part-deflated when you pulled away and then continued to deflate on your journey. It should warn you of the problem long before the handling is affected.
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The system is a Joke
Last week I got a puncture with a screw, from a standing start. I was alerted to it by the fact that it was driving strangly, well I knew I had a puncture instantly, from experience. The tyre was totally deflated
I think the tyre deflating while the vehicle is parked will catch the system out as it is based on comparing the wheel rotation speeds while moving and must include some averaging in order to not be caught out by factors such as turning a corner. Hence it would notice a deflated tyre, but not immediately on pulling away but, as you discovered, a driver should quickly notic a flat tyre.
Where it should work usefully is warning about the partially deflated tyre which isn't immediately noticeable in the vehicle handling. Imagine your tyre only being part-deflated when you pulled away and then continued to deflate on your journey. It should warn you of the problem long before the handling is affected.
Knowing how the system works stops it becoming a joke.
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Worth a read:
https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/Report%20-%20EU%20drivers%20at%20risk%20of%20under-inflated%20tyres.pdf
Whilst there’s a requirement for these systems to be fitted, there doesn’t seem to be an adequate requirement for the systems to function so as to deliver the expected safety & environmental benefits.
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Further to John Ratsey's point, I vaguely recall that there is a minimum speed requirement for the system to operate. As John says, this avoids it being triggered by low speed manoeuvring.
I've now looked at the handbook (novel idea!). p 443 says that the warning system does not function at low speed. Recalibration needs a total of 30 mins above 25 mph.
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Joke system explained. Thanks, I couldn't be bothered to explain it again.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Once you have had a series of false alarms - and these are not uncommon - you lose faith in the system. I am fully aware of how they are supposed to work.
Being a bit old school, I check my tyres regularly. Good point Culzean makes about the individual tyre sensor system. They can be expensive to maintain and I gather most of them are battery powered so replacing batteries is also an issue.
I'm not over concerned. I've lived without a Deflation Warning System in all my previous cars so my mindset is that I don't have one and I drive and check my tyres accordingly. I also recalibrate the system faithfully and that seems to keep it quiet for now.
I will personally eat humble pie if it ever gives a genuine alarm!
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We will have to keep a log, I have had two (self inflicted, RTFM) false alarms and one genuine slow puncture alarm. That is over two Mk3s.
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Most of the features on modern cars encourage laziness, eg. because some people can't be bothered to look at their tyres occasionally we have TPMS in various guises, because people can't be bothered to turn their lights on we have DRL ( and some people still don't use appropriate lights, and any vehicle without DRL will not get noticed in people's rush to be 'somewhere else at fastest speed' ) , then auto wipers, auto dip, auto braking, speed limit recognition - and why do we have them ? People who make an sell bits to car makers lobby politicians ( and brown envelopes ) have something to sell and get laws passed to sell their ( often badly implemented ) systems. Politicians do not understand most things and are easy to bamboozle and buy off.
The outcome is that drivers pay less attention to things as they come to rely on being spoon fed....... 'Alexa, check my tyres' .....
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I've still only ever had mine go off once. I was driving on the A34 dual carriageway approaching Oxford at about 60mph and had driven over several potholes. When I got back home I discovered that one of my tyres was slightly under pressure. Not hugely so but enough to warrant the alert. That's the only time it's ever gone off for me and in my approximately monthly checks my tyres rarely need inflation.
From that I'd conclude that those experiencing problems with it have a faulty system and it's a shame they can't get Honda to fix it.
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From that I'd conclude that those experiencing problems with it have a faulty system and it's a shame they can't get Honda to fix it.
I'd agree with that if only the damn thing would false alarm again! The garage has agreed to look at it if, when I get another false alarm, I leave the light on and take it in.
Since they made that promise - it has behaved itself. I have wondered about letting a few pounds out of one of the tyres and seeing it went off but it doesn't activate at low speeds and if it did go off it wouldn't be a false alarm.
I've reached a state of Karma. The system is crap - I just pretend I haven't got it until I see this thread again!
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Is the inflator supplied easy to use? I have read this post and am going to be prepared for this one. Hopefully the system doesn't beep for this!
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Is the inflator supplied easy to use? I have read this post and am going to be prepared for this one. Hopefully the system doesn't beep for this!
The one Honda supplies works but there's nothing special about it. Any standard tyre pump will work. If you adjust the tyre pressures and don't reset the feature (which is done via the steering wheel buttons) it will trigger an alert regardless of what you use to pump the tyres up.
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Thanks for this valuable information on getting rid of the tyre pressure warning ... I was halfway up the A1, on the hottest day of the year, in my newly acquired 2017 Jazz, when bingo, this light came on. Quite a shock. Stopped at Leeming Bar, and spent a very hot and disgruntled 20 minutes checking tyre pressures (after finding out about how to turn on the ignition without a key :o) - a bit of a sting in the tail to acquiring a new car which I could have done without! :(. Proceeded home, with it on, after consulting the dealer by phone who gave *some* help ::) and was just steeling myself to have a look at the User Manual when I googled ... and came across this thread and relevant others, including instructions on exactly how to initialise. Google rools. ;D
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and came across this thread and relevant others, including instructions on exactly how to initialise. Google rools. ;D
I often find it easier to search clubjazz ( and other forums ) using google than by searching using built-in forum search ( same with other forums I use ) just put 'tyre pressure monitoring clubjazz' or 'clubjazz LED headlights' or similar and it seems to find more relevant information far more quickly than the on-site search function does...Google does indeed rool
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I have had problems with this on both my former and my current mark 3. Over the 2 cars I have had 10 false alarms and not a single instance of a tyre low on pressure.
In almost every case the false alarm was triggered during a spell of motorway driving. On both cars there were no issues with odd tyres or uneven tyre wear.
The system is not fit for purpose. I would disable it if I could.
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Thanks for this valuable information on getting rid of the tyre pressure warning ... I was halfway up the A1, on the hottest day of the year, in my newly acquired 2017 Jazz, when bingo, this light came on.
The two times in 5 years when I've had a warning have both been on motorways. Both have been false alarms. It's probably prudent to check tyres and re-initialise the system before longer trips so that any slight change in tyre pressure or tyre wear doesn't push the warning system over the limit.
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Thanks for this valuable information on getting rid of the tyre pressure warning ... I was halfway up the A1, on the hottest day of the year, in my newly acquired 2017 Jazz, when bingo, this light came on.
The two times in 5 years when I've had a warning have both been on motorways. Both have been false alarms. It's probably prudent to check tyres and re-initialise the system before longer trips so that any slight change in tyre pressure or tyre wear doesn't push the warning system over the limit.
Think that might well be right John. Incidentally we had a trip over to North Wales on Friday (M56 and A55) and I recalibrated before this trip and had no issues.
Still not good enough in my opinion. It must be possible to do better.
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Still not good enough in my opinion. It must be possible to do better.
In my opinion it should be possible to switch off the TPMS.
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and came across this thread and relevant others, including instructions on exactly how to initialise. Google rools. ;D
I often find it easier to search clubjazz ( and other forums ) using google than by searching using built-in forum search ( same with other forums I use ) just put 'tyre pressure monitoring clubjazz' or 'clubjazz LED headlights' or similar and it seems to find more relevant information far more quickly than the on-site search function does...Google does indeed rool
I agree it is better to search via google. The correct format for the search is: site:clubjazz.org tyre pressure for example. Then you only get hits from clubjazz.org.
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Still not good enough in my opinion. It must be possible to do better.
In my opinion it should be possible to switch off the TPMS.
Its a legal thing and has to stay on ??? it is to cater / protect the rapidly increasing number of people who know nothing about cars and who treat their car with less care than their coffee maker or washing machine and are too lazy / not clued up enough to even know when their tyre is getting soft**. Some things can be turned off after engine start but will reset back to 'on' when ignition turned on next time, but TPMS ain't one of them - I am still in the habit of looking at all 4 tyres on the car every time drive it, has saved me a couple of times from driving off with a flat...
**In the same way that auto brake and auto headlights, auto dip, auto wipers are to cater for people who obviously should not be in charge of a vehicle because they passed their driving test by false pretences or are too distracted by the phones and other gizmos in their car to pay attention to actually driving the thing..
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Yes I know the legal and other things, that was just my personal opinion and preference.
My Jazz would be a great car without all these auto/warning/assist systems. Now it's just tolerable, as it is annoying to have pre-drive procedure of disabling interfering systems taking more time than 70's diesel pre-glowing time and still have bunch of systems preventing me to do things I'd like to do and which I can do with our older cars.
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Yes I know the legal and other things, that was just my personal opinion and preference.
My Jazz would be a great car without all these auto/warning/assist systems. Now it's just tolerable, as it is annoying to have pre-drive procedure of disabling interfering systems taking more time than 70's diesel pre-glowing time and still have bunch of systems preventing me to do things I'd like to do and which I can do with our older cars.
We are keeping my wifes MK2 because simply do not want any 'automation' on the car, it drives me nuts - OK ABS and VSA ( and VSA can be disabled because you are better off without it in some situations ) can be considered safety features like airbags and seatbelts - but as for the other annoying stuff - no thanks, and deffo not auto stop / start.
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I like my 1989 Peugeot 309 GR very much. No interfering systems and automatics. 92 HP and 930 kg means nice performance. Good to drive. Good size for our family. It's just that after 30 Finnish winters there is rust, which you can repair but can not stop. And if spares are needed, you can't go to shop and buy, but need to search Internet.
Regarding Jazz we have agreed that we keep it year or two and if all these interfering systems are still too annoying, then we sell it and get something older again. Or if it's just me, we may switch cars with my wife, who has nice 1st gen Honda CR-V.
But don't get me wrong, there is a lot in Jazz that I like. For example performance (130 HP), driveability, size, usability, looks.
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The "tech" thing is interesting. I would happily ditch the "not fit for purpose" tyre pressure warning system but, as Culzean pointed out earlier, it is a legal requirement.
But I have looked a few reviews of the Honda "E" - they are overwhelmingly favourable but do you really need the ability to have tropical fish on the infotainment screen? Is it even safe to provide the ability to play an X box through it? Is it really necessary to replace all the mirrors with cameras?
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But I have looked a few reviews of the Honda "E" - they are overwhelmingly favourable but do you really need the ability to have tropical fish on the infotainment screen? Is it even safe to provide the ability to play an X box through it? Is it really necessary to replace all the mirrors with cameras?
I think these first two functions just show the versatility of the system. You can play Xbox games on your phone but I doubt you can do it in the car while it is in Drive mode.
With regard to cameras instead of mirrors, this is quite a large energy-saving device. Hypermilers remove their exterior mirrors because they are a considerable drag on a car (remember the old round mirrors on the front wings of old cars!).
The cameras are tiny slim devices, and the image they give is better than a mirror, especially after dark and in poor weather. They also auto-align for reversing, showing where the wheels are (so no more nipped kerbs).
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This is what results if you strip all the tech from a Honda E and put in an old A Series engine. I'd buy that car.
I DID buy that car! Or rather, my Dad bought it for me. It was in van form and came in British Racing green! Drivign at it's most basic.
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But I have looked a few reviews of the Honda "E" - they are overwhelmingly favourable but do you really need the ability to have tropical fish on the infotainment screen? Is it even safe to provide the ability to play an X box through it? Is it really necessary to replace all the mirrors with cameras?
I think these first two functions just show the versatility of the system. You can play Xbox games on your phone but I doubt you can do it in the car while it is in Drive mode.
With regard to cameras instead of mirrors, this is quite a large energy-saving device. Hypermilers remove their exterior mirrors because they are a considerable drag on a car (remember the old round mirrors on the front wings of old cars!).
The cameras are tiny slim devices, and the image they give is better than a mirror, especially after dark and in poor weather. They also auto-align for reversing, showing where the wheels are (so no more nipped kerbs).
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Good points - might have to change my mind!
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This is what results if you strip all the tech from a Honda E and put in an old A Series engine. I'd buy that car.
I DID buy that car! Or rather, my Dad bought it for me. It was in van form and came in British Racing green! Driving at it's most basic.
Even your original Mini was a dramatic improvement on what we had driven before, e.g. the side valve Ford Prefect I learned on, with a 3 speed gearbox, no synchromesh on 1st, and wipers linked to the exhaust vacuum. At least I learned to double-de-clutch but I prefer the CVT. Fortunately, cars have become progressively more economical, more reliable and safer, and our niggles, although irritating, are relatively trivial.
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Even your original Mini was a dramatic improvement on what we had driven before, e.g. the side valve Ford Prefect I learned on, with a 3 speed gearbox, no synchromesh on 1st, and wipers linked to the exhaust vacuum. At least I learned to double-de-clutch but I prefer the CVT. Fortunately, cars have become progressively more economical, more reliable and safer, and our niggles, although irritating, are relatively trivial.
When I was a young trainee mechanic back in the late 80s early 90s, fuel injection and catalytic convertors were just coming in and the older mechanics saw it as the work of the devil. There were some problems with those systems in the beginning, but they eventually got on top of it and nowadays we don't even think of these complicated technologies (at the time) as an issue. I'm sure it will be the same, in time, with all the driving aids were are moaning about now.
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When I was a young trainee mechanic back in the late 80s early 90s, fuel injection and catalytic convertors were just coming in and the older mechanics saw it as the work of the devil. There were some problems with those systems in the beginning, but they eventually got on top of it and nowadays we don't even think of these complicated technologies (at the time) as an issue. I'm sure it will be the same, in time, with all the driving aids were are moaning about now.
I fully understand your point about the new immature systems. However, complicity and immaturity are not the only reasons to dislike auto/assist/warning systems. There is a fundamental difference between technologies which improve the car e.g. performance, economy and reliability, such as fuel injection and catalytic converter, and the new systems which deny and deprive driver's command of the car by preventing, interfering and disturbing driving and operation of the car's functions. Latter is a manifestation of nanny state. That is what I genuinely dislike.
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When I was a young trainee mechanic back in the late 80s early 90s, fuel injection and catalytic convertors were just coming in and the older mechanics saw it as the work of the devil. There were some problems with those systems in the beginning, but they eventually got on top of it and nowadays we don't even think of these complicated technologies (at the time) as an issue. I'm sure it will be the same, in time, with all the driving aids were are moaning about now.
I fully understand your point about the new immature systems. However, complicity and immaturity are not the only reasons to dislike auto/assist/warning systems. There is a fundamental difference between technologies which improve the car e.g. performance, economy and reliability, such as fuel injection and catalytic converter, and the new systems which deny and deprive driver's command of the car by preventing, interfering and disturbing driving and operation of the car's functions. Latter is a manifestation of nanny state. That is what I genuinely dislike.
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My thoughts exactly
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Some good points. Technology over the past 30 years has seen vast improvements in efficiency and safety but where does it cross the line into unnecessary gimmicks? The original 1959 Mini was an engineering masterpiece of it's time but compared to today's safety regulations a death trap. Does the new Honda E inherit it's role?
Agree most issues are just niggles and minor irritations compared to the motoring standards of the 1960s and 1970s modern cars are far safer, efficient and rust resistant.
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Technology advances all the time, often for the greater good but, occasionally, there is overreach. Much was invested into 3 D technology for TVs - it was going to be the next big thing but it died a death because it didn't add much, if any value, to the viewing experience and was a monumental faff with having to wear googles.
TnTkr is dead right in his post above.
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Technology advances all the time, often for the greater good but, occasionally, there is overreach. Much was invested into 3 D technology for TVs - it was going to be the next big thing but it died a death because it didn't add much, if any value, to the viewing experience and was a monumental faff with having to wear googles.
TnTkr is dead right in his post above.
There is no doubt in my mind that in last few years car buyers have been used as guinea pigs to subsidise development of some of the systems destined for autonomous vehicles like speed limit recognition, auto braking etc. They had a big display of autonomous vehicles in Los Angeles a few years ago and sure enough the cars stopped for red lights etc. it only came out later the they had fitted transponders to traffic lights and some other stuff because despite all the tech and hype the cars systems still could not reliably tell the state of a traffic light or pedestrian crossing among the background clutter..... and it has all gone incredibly quiet in last few years after some spectacular 'accident' by AV, randomly changing lanes or hitting roadside barriers when white lines disappeared, getting confused at junctions, and not being able to see a person pushing a bicycle across the road etc....
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When I was a young trainee mechanic back in the late 80s early 90s, fuel injection and catalytic convertors were just coming in and the older mechanics saw it as the work of the devil. There were some problems with those systems in the beginning, but they eventually got on top of it and nowadays we don't even think of these complicated technologies (at the time) as an issue. I'm sure it will be the same, in time, with all the driving aids were are moaning about now.
I fully understand your point about the new immature systems. However, complicity and immaturity are not the only reasons to dislike auto/assist/warning systems. There is a fundamental difference between technologies which improve the car e.g. performance, economy and reliability, such as fuel injection and catalytic converter, and the new systems which deny and deprive driver's command of the car by preventing, interfering and disturbing driving and operation of the car's functions. Latter is a manifestation of nanny state. That is what I genuinely dislike.
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Mine goes off every day. (Bought 6 weeks ago 5100 on a 68)I reset it every evening. It goes off on the same but of dual carriageway on my homeward journey. Went off first on the M6 back from the dealers. One of the rear tyres is different to the michelins on the other 3.
That might be it possibly?
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Could well be. It hasn't been an issue with my problems but I've seen a lot of advice to the effect that tyres are best replaced in pairs if you have this system.
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I've never had the problem yet although the light was on during my test drive but since picking it up it's been as good as gold (touch wood!). Are the 2018 and later cars better in this respect?
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Mine is an early 2020 car and it's every bit as bad as my 2017 Mk3.
That said, the earlier car did settle down eventually but 10 false alarms across the 2 cars is seriously bad and I am not alone. The Honda system is notorious.
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I should add that the reason it's not a deal breaker for me is that I don't do much motorway driving. It never false alarms in an urban setting.
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There is a customer complaint only TSB that makes the system less sensitive if it's really bothering anyone. Enquire at your local dealer.
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i only had it happen once
my car is a pre reg so it was six months old when i got it with 16 miles on it and my dealer is 50 miles away so on the way home the light came on
i stopped at the services to check the tyres and all was ok when i got home just checked the manual and reset the light and it has not come on since
im just glad it uses the abs system and not the stupid sensors in the wheels
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Mine goes off every day. (Bought 6 weeks ago 5100 on a 68)I reset it every evening. It goes off on the same but of dual carriageway on my homeward journey. Went off first on the M6 back from the dealers. One of the rear tyres is different to the michelins on the other 3.
That might be it possibly?
Just remember when you reset it you have to drive a certain number of miles non stop above a certain speed for the reset to complete. I suspect if you are resetting it every evening you might be making it worse. Perhaps leave it alone for a while, just ignore it. Then reset it before you next do a journey which is compatible with the reset process. I am not sure what that is as I no longer have my HRV which had this issue and my Mk1 Jazz does not have it fitted.
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Mine goes off every day. (Bought 6 weeks ago 5100 on a 68)I reset it every evening. It goes off on the same but of dual carriageway on my homeward journey. Went off first on the M6 back from the dealers. One of the rear tyres is different to the michelins on the other 3.
That might be it possibly?
Just remember when you reset it you have to drive a certain number of miles non stop above a certain speed for the reset to complete. I suspect if you are resetting it every evening you might be making it worse. Perhaps leave it alone for a while, just ignore it. Then reset it before you next do a journey which is compatible with the reset process. I am not sure what that is as I no longer have my HRV which had this issue and my Mk1 Jazz does not have it fitted.
The calibration process requires approximately 30 minutes of cumulative driving at speeds between 40−100 km/h (25−62 mph).
During this period, if the ignition is turned on and the vehicle is not moved within 45 seconds, you may notice the low tyre pressure indicator comes on briefly. This is normal and indicates that the calibration process is not yet complete
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I must be lucky as I've never had any tyre pressure warning problems after 4 years, 36000 miles and a change of tyres to Goodyear All Seasons. Long may it continue...
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I must be lucky as I've never had any tyre pressure warning problems after 4 years, 36000 miles and a change of tyres to Goodyear All Seasons. Long may it continue...
That's good. I think the frustrating thing for me is that there is no identifiable fault. My first Mk3 settled down after 5 resets. This one might be settling down - I'll know next time I do a motorway run.
I'd love to know what sets the system off when there is no tyre pressure issue, you have the same tyres on all 4 wheels and the pressures are set as per manual. Heat must be involved because the false alarms are tripped at motorway speeds. I've never had an issue in an urban setting.
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I wonder whether travelling a significant distance in the same direction in strong sunshine causes the tyres on the sunny side to heat up more and could upset the system if the pressures had changed slightly since the last calibration. So, for those with TPMS false alarms: Was the weather sunny with the sun on one side of the car?
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Hadn't thought of that John but you might be on to something. I'm pretty sure it was warm and sunny on every single false alarm.
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I doubt that what little heat the sun would add would have any effect over the heat generated by contact with the road.
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I have a BMW which has pressure sensors in each wheel and after parking in the sun there can be a pressure difference of almost 3psi between the sunny and shady sides.
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I doubt that what little heat the sun would add would have any effect over the heat generated by contact with the road.
Good point but is heat, generally, a problem with the system? I just wonder what causes the false alarms and why, certainly in the case of my first Mk3, the system seems to resolve itself after several resets.
Having done a bit of googling several people have reported the false alarms being triggered after motorway driving.
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I doubt that what little heat the sun would add would have any effect over the heat generated by contact with the road.
Good point but is heat, generally, a problem with the system? I just wonder what causes the false alarms and why, certainly in the case of my first Mk3, the system seems to resolve itself after several resets.
Having done a bit of googling several people have reported the false alarms being triggered after motorway driving.
I have a suspicion that there's a speed below which it doesn't warn at, because I drove around for short while with a space saver tyre fitted, around town only, and it didn't warn me of a problem.
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I have a BMW which has pressure sensors in each wheel and after parking in the sun there can be a pressure difference of almost 3psi between the sunny and shady sides.
Standing in the sun. But once you start driving the differential between sides will disappear.
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I have a BMW which has pressure sensors in each wheel and after parking in the sun there can be a pressure difference of almost 3psi between the sunny and shady sides.
Standing in the sun. But once you start driving the differential between sides will disappear.
Parking in the sun makes it a problem checking the tyre pressures on the drive before you set out - I have to wait for a cloudy day ;)
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I have a BMW which has pressure sensors in each wheel and after parking in the sun there can be a pressure difference of almost 3psi between the sunny and shady sides.
Standing in the sun. But once you start driving the differential between sides will disappear.
Parking in the sun makes it a problem checking the tyre pressures on the drive before you set out - I have to wait for a cloudy day ;)
Best to do it first thing in the morning.
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I have a BMW which has pressure sensors in each wheel and after parking in the sun there can be a pressure difference of almost 3psi between the sunny and shady sides.
Standing in the sun. But once you start driving the differential between sides will disappear.
Parking in the sun makes it a problem checking the tyre pressures on the drive before you set out - I have to wait for a cloudy day ;)
Best to do it first thing in the morning.
I've always checked tyre pressures late at night when the temperature is at it's lowest. I don't reset the tyre monitoring system until the morning just before driving off, never had a problem with any of our Honda's (CR-V, Civic & Jazz) doing this procedure. You definitely need stable temperatures to get the most accurate pressures (e.g. no sun or other temperature sources like close buildings on one side of the car).
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I think I will follow the advice about setting my tyre pressures when the sun isn't shining. One half of the car is in shade on my drive. That said, even when I've tested the tyres on a cool overcast day I have found little or no difference in pressures - 1 psi at the very most.
The other issue may be the pattern of my driving with motorway cruising being a relatively rare event.
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Is this tyre pressure warning system fitted in all variants of the Mk3 Jazz?
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In Europe yes. All GK Jazzes have TPMS as it became mandatory in EU for all new cars from November 2014.
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In Europe yes. All GK Jazzes have TPMS as it became mandatory in EU for all new cars from November 2014.
OK, thanks for the info.
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I now keep my tyre pressures around 0.1 to 0.2 Bars above the sticker pressure & system behaves, in my old cars (without this system that encourages you to check pressure more often) I pumped up to the handbook pressure & no more but these days that's unwise
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Hi
Can see this is an old topic and thread, but just want to chip in that I got the same problem fixed after almost a year after purchasing a 2017 mk3,
After approx half an hour drive on the motorway at 130km/h it gave a tire alarm for no reason. EVERY TIME I drove across Denmark, every week. But never at 80km/h drives or lower, which I also do for hours every week.
After several service visits at the authorized Honda dealer/service center where I bought it 3 years old last year, they did a low-level reset of the system based on guidance from Honda, and since there has been absolutely no problems, and it reacts correctly, and never give false alarms.
For information, Jazz MK3 use the indirect TPMS system based on comparing the speed of the wheels, and not the direct TPMS system where there is a sensor in each tire which other cars use.
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New Jazz, same old problem!
Every time I take it on a motorway, the deflation light comes on. Checking tyre pressures on the hard shoulder is extremely dangerous! Then discovering that there is nothing wrong with the tyre pressures is extremely frustrating! Kia have a much more sophisticated but totally reliable system. If Kia can do it, why (after 20 years) can't Honda?
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New Jazz, same old problem!
Every time I take it on a motorway, the deflation light comes on. Checking tyre pressures on the hard shoulder is extremely dangerous! Then discovering that there is nothing wrong with the tyre pressures is extremely frustrating!
All bar one of my few warnings have happened on motorways. I listen for any strange noises and check how the vehicle feels to drive then carry on to the next stop. They have all been false alarms. Perhaps continuously driving in one direction with minimal bends makes the system more sensitive. Remember to set the system to recalibrate itself after checking that the pressures are OK. This can be done even if not immediately driving the vehicle.
The one instance of a warning that wasn't on a motorway was on my way home from having tyres changed.
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New Jazz, same old problem!
Every time I take it on a motorway, the deflation light comes on. Checking tyre pressures on the hard shoulder is extremely dangerous! Then discovering that there is nothing wrong with the tyre pressures is extremely frustrating! Kia have a much more sophisticated but totally reliable system. If Kia can do it, why (after 20 years) can't Honda?
Just wondering if you're conscientious about following the recalibration procedure? This requires you to spend at least 30 minutes driving at a full range of speeds with lots of turns in both directions. That should set suitable parameters so the system knows what's "normal" and what isn't.
That said, some cars seem to be more prone to problems than others ... I've only had one false alarm in over 8 years, others seem to be plagued with them. I've also seen suggestions that the tyres and TPMS systems on new cars can take a while to "bed in"; maybe that indicates that the factory and/or dealers don't take the time to do the calibration procedure.
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Yes, ideally you need a 15 mile run taking in all manner of roads as posted above
Just guessing but if it only triggers on fast roads then is one wheel heating up due to 'something' and temporarily increasing that tyres pressure ?
When you are able, check each tyre/wheel for raised heat when it triggers
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It occurs to me that some owners may have more activations because they are relying on a pressure gauge thats not very consistent or accurate. Or dare I say it , deliberately or inadvertently under inflating their tyres, perhaps using pressures that were more normal in the past. . This could result in more tyre 'squirming'
I only know the Mk4 system, but I think its fundamentally the same as the mk3 . I checked my tyres before a long trip . They had all dropped about 3 psi due to air temperature and normal gradual permeation loss. . I raised the pressures to the Mk4's recommended 35 psi front 33 psi rear taking great care to ensure they were equal on my digital pressure gauge. I didnt need to recalibrate and it hasnt activated in more than 2000 miles on a mixture of roads.
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@Sven
2021 "they did a low-level reset of the system based on guidance from Honda, and since there has been absolutely no problems, and it reacts correctly, and never give false alarms."
I'd be interested to see this guidance.
Took offending wheel to a tyre fitting 'shop' ~ they said it was down to corrosion of the tyre seat and treated seat with sealant.
TPMS still cuts in but no so frequently and upon checking one wheel has obviously got a very slow leak approx 2.5psi / week.
I use a foot pump with gauge, for a quick roadside top up when TPMS triggers, saves trailing cables through windows to access all 4 corners!
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When they were available I got a cheap Manwe cordless inflator
For home use I went full monty and got the cordless Makita job
As you say, corded pumps are a pain
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Took offending wheel to a tyre fitting 'shop' ~ they said it was down to corrosion of the tyre seat and treated seat with sealant.
TPMS still cuts in but no so frequently and upon checking one wheel has obviously got a very slow leak approx 2.5psi / week.
This sounds like the TPMS is doing it's job.
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TPMS in my older jazz kicked in when going round one particulay tight left hand bend with 'wrong' camber
Tyre pressures ok.
Assume from this repeated experience it was due to the deflection of the front offside tyre indicating to the TPMS that a deflation had occurred.
No other occurences.
Maybe when resetting TPMS try to stay relatively straight??
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Maybe when resetting TPMS try to stay relatively straight??
No. When calibrating, you need to "teach" it the full envelope of acceptable values, which means doing as much left- and right- turning as possible, and covering as wide a range of speeds as possible.
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So relieved to see others are having same problem. I've been going mad over my '19 Jazz' tire pressure warning system.
False alarm last summer and a couple over the winter. Then I actually had a flat tire, so started "believing" in the system again. Flat kind of came out of nowhere though, I suspect it was gravel due to roadwork outside out building. Anyway,
Then last night, on a longish trip (80 miles+) it went off again. Obvs nervous since it was late and I have no spare. And I was alone. But it worked out; I checked at a station and no difference in pressure. I'd even checked the same morning tbh, because I don't want any trouble. Then a little later, say maybe an hour of driving, the service light (car arrow wrench) went on. WTF? Weird as hell since I serviced acc. to schedule in October.
I have no idea what is going on, but maybe it's the fact that I had a flat and now am driving on 1 summer tire and 3 winter (am scheduled to change this weekend)? Maybe that causes the car to roll less efficiently or something. We use studded tires here in the winter.
Regardless, I am getting really nervous about this car, esp. on longer trips. Feel like I can't trust it. Good to know others are having the same issue.