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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Honda Jazz Mk1 FAQ => Topic started by: Nicolas on October 03, 2007, 09:12:17 PM
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My manual 03 Jazz SE Sport has recently developed a whirring noise when pulling away in first gear - it soon goes once on the and does not seem to happen in other gears.
My dealer says this is a new issue for them and have replaced teh gearbox oil but the sound persists. They are conatcting Honda UK but have suggested a gearbox check which will be around £500!
Anyone had a similar issues or any gearbox probs on a manual Jazz?
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This is my first post so here goes,,,are there any known problems with the gearbox on the 1.4 DSI model (2006)
I am experiencing difficulty in engaging 2nd.
Any feedback would be welcomed.
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I have a 07 model from new and in these cold months I sometimes have difficulty in selecting 2nd gear but seems to get better as the gearbox warms up
I did take it to Honda who just said it was fine!
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There is a known fault on the gearbox of both engine sizes; the input shaft and main shaft bearings wear causing noisy transmission.Honda replace all four bearings routinely if this occurs at considerable cost (£800)-can be done for half the cost at independent specialists.I know this for a fact as my 03 plate has just had to have this done with less than 33,000 miles covered from new.This has occured at lesser mileages than this.Having said this I did not experience the problems you describe-sounds more like a synchromesh problem to me.Luckily mine was paid for by the supplying dealer but I would suggest finding a reputable specialist who will not fleece you.I live in Nottingham so could only recommend the chap I have dealt with who was recommended by one of the country's best gearbox refurbishers,Oakdenes of Nottingham.Sorry about the long response but these repairs are not cheap so sourcing good,reasonably priced alternatives to main dealers can save you buckets of your hard earned cash.Hope this helps,
Best wishes,
Craig James,
Nottingham.
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Thanks for the feedback, my car is still under Honda warranty (purchased April 2006) and only covered 10,000 mls
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That's an easy one;straight to the nearest dealers and let them sort it. :D
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2005 used 19000 miles model similar problem in third gear.........no judder but a vibration when accelerating in third gear through the gear lever.......all other gears are OK........its as if a syncro gear is noisy.......i took the car back after two days and changed it for another of the same model..........dealer said it wasnt an actual fault he could have in and repair.
My first Jazz..........the replacement is fine no noise now but bank balance is i bit lighter.
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This is a known fault;I have posted my experience already (Nov. 08).The input and mainshft bearings get noisy but do not normally fail.My 03 plate was repaired via a Honda dealer at a cost of £800,luckily I bought the vehicle from a Ford dealer who had to pay as the fault was present already.This can be done much cheaper at specialist gearbox repairers (£350 in Nottingham).Honda will sometimes pay a portion of the cost even if it's out of warranty but less than five years old.
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The input shaft bearing was really noisey on our Jazz so dealer stood to £350 rebuild cost by transmission specialist who said it is a known fault but just gets noisey not known to fail.
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Craigj says it is a known issue and I would be really interested to know how many owners have experienced it before I approach my local dealer. The whining noise started a week or two ago on our 2005 1.4 Sport - and as it has only done 21000 miles I am really annoyed. Worse on first and second but definitely there on third too - just a bit drowned out by road noise I guess.
All the hype is about how reliable the Jazz is so we bought a low mileage demonstrator which was nine months old with the intention of keeping it for many years. I had it serviced at a Honda dealer whilst it was still under warranty and in its fourth year I have serviced it myself using genuine Honda parts.
Let's get some pressure on Honda to take responsibility for this "known problem".......
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Update on my message yesterday.
I approached my local dealer today and they confirm it is the bearings in the gearbox. The service manager said he had not come across any previous examples of problems with Jazz gearboxes.
Within two hours Honda had offered me 75% towards the repair cost and whilst I am still disappointed that we have had problems on such a low mileage I think this is a fair offer as the warranty expired eight months ago.
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re the gearbox whine and slight vibration when accelerating in third gear only all other gears were OK............so i took the car back to the dealer and he wasn't too bothered about the noise and the mechanic said its not a fault he could put his finger on.
Just let it develop was the answer,but that would then put it out of the dealer warranty, so i asked to exchange the car for another model which was on display.
Not a very happy dealer at the end of the day but it cured my noise and vibration, and now for another £900.00 i have an almost new condition car with a lot less mileage on..........the noisy car was back on sale the same day......not a very nice practice.
My first dealings with Honda vehicles,however the replacement vehicle is really nice with no apparent faults.......... ::)
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Peter. Did the garage say what the judder was caused by and what they replaced under warranty? I have a CVT that judders and I know the CVT oil is okay as it was replaced not long ago ( and using the correct CVT fluid ). :(
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Does anybody know the specification (sizes, bearing numbers) for the main and input shaft bearings?
My gearbox is noisy and I intend to replace the bearings but it would be useful to get the bearings before hand from my bearing supplier, assuming he can get them.
I have read the manual http://www.hondafitjazz.com/manual.htm (http://www.hondafitjazz.com/manual.htm) and the job seems reasonable.
I will also chat to my local Honda dealer and see what they can offer in the way of bearings and actually doing the job. Hopefully they will offer some hefty discount as it is a known issue......
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I think I might have this problem and my jazz has covered less than 10,000 miles but is within warranty.
What I want to know is there anybody who has had this problem and approached their dealer? Have they sorted the problem?
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Yes, see my messages 7th and 9th March above. Our car was out of warranty and had only covered 21k miles but I was happy with Honda's offer to cover 75% of the cost.
The dealer replaced the bearings and it cost me £315 i.e. 25%.
No problems since rebuild
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My car is nearly 7 years old, 52,000 miles and Honda agreed to pay the cost of labour for replacing the bearings. I had to remove the gearbox though.
They replaced 7 bearings, though when I inspected the old ones only one seems to be worn. Cost was £190.
Just got to put the box back in now!
Update
The gearbox is now back in and the job done. It was reasonably straight forward except for removing the drive shafts and the suspension components such as the anti roll bar drop links. In fact I had to cut one off and buy a new one, expensive.
The car is much quieter, just the rear wheel bearing to get sorted now at Honda.
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My jazz which is a 07 sport model has this ticking/whirring noise in 1st and 2nd gear. What annoys me is that its only done about 10k miles from new and is only 2 years old! Also in the gearbox department 5th gear crunches? It's not so loud that you can hear it but you can certainly feel it through your hand.
Also there's some sort of clonking noise coming from the front suspension when your driving on certain rough road surface's and turning the steering like on a bend.
Now you could say all that would be covered under the warranty but my dilemma is that will the jazz be the same again i.e be the same as before but without the faults mentioned?
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Just to update you guys Honda had a look and agree that the bearings need replacing and it would be covered under warranty.
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Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many Jazz gearboxes have failed in this way? JazzyB's went after two years and 10k, ours after three and a half years and 21k.
Someone earlier in this chain described the bearing failure as a "known fault". Known to whom and why on earth are they going after such low mileages?
I was happy that Honda contributed to the cost given that my car was out of warranty but it still cost me £320 and now I am wondering how long these bearings will last.
And here is the real question - what have Honda done about it to make sure the same problem is not waiting to surface on the GE?
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Just got my jazz back seems ok so far........
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Bump.
Please vote in the poll at the start of this topic if your Jazz has suffered from this problem. Thanks.
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especially in cold weather and on the firts few miles before on each morning i find it difficult engaging from 3rd to 2nd.after it warms up the problem disappears and it runs smoothly
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I have just had to take my 2003 jazz to Honda dealer as my gearbox bearings are worn and need replacing at only 50,000 miles, the service manager said this was a common fault. After looking on the internet it seems as if Honda have been aware of this problem and extended the warranty to 7 years, mine is 7 years and 3 weeks so I hope Honda will have some sympathy and sort this problem for me. My 15 year old Nissan has 100,000 miles on the clock and still has its original gearbox! INteresting to see if others will come forward with similar problems. My Honda dealer has submitted a claim to Honda and I am now awaitng the results of this. Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
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Yes I have a year old Jazz with 11,000 KM s that whines and my dealer said to keep an eye on it , he did not want to talk about it , can it fail ?
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Well thats not quite right ,, they were good enough to put in writing that it was noisy,, and changed the oil and send me on my way saying to keep an eye on it , I guess that is fair although Im a bit dissapointed that its noisy in 11,000 KMS I usually fix car problems as soon as I get them , but in this case I cant
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I have just had to take my 2003 jazz to Honda dealer as my gearbox bearings are worn and need replacing at only 50,000 miles, the service manager said this was a common fault. After looking on the internet it seems as if Honda have been aware of this problem and extended the warranty to 7 years, mine is 7 years and 3 weeks so I hope Honda will have some sympathy and sort this problem for me. My 15 year old Nissan has 100,000 miles on the clock and still has its original gearbox! INteresting to see if others will come forward with similar problems. My Honda dealer has submitted a claim to Honda and I am now awaitng the results of this. Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
Where have you had your car serviced? If at a honda dealer I am sure this will help in getting it sorted under warrenty as you have been putting money in there pockets and not elsweare.
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Has anyone had their gearbox bearings replaced by Honda under warranty?
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Hi jazzy
I dont think Honda would want to do that,,, as its expensive
Ive noticed mine getting noisier , how noisy can it get?????
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Great result from my local Honda Dealer, they initially refused my claim as it was a few weeks over the extended warranty-however, the service manager perservered and as my Jazz has only 55000miles on the clock Honda agreed to pay for parts leaving me the bill for labour which came to about £400. Also gave it a good clean too ;D. Must say my faith in Honda has been restored and car sounds and drives fantastic again.
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Did they ask whether your Jazz had a full Honda service history?
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Yes, they asked for my owners booklet which had one of the services missing from it, plus, nobody had signed that transmission fluid had been changed at certain points. I would strongly advise people to ensure that Dealers fill in your booklets properly!!! Think I was very lucky to get my parts paid for but when I spoke to Honda and explained why I had brought one (quality and customer service) plus I am a nurse and need a reliable car to travel the city in it helped!!! All I can say is that if you hear a noise in the gearbox get it checked sooner than later and make sure you appeal if they initially refuse. Its such a shame, they re-call for a faulty switch but don't advise of possible gear box problems.
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Has anyone had their gearbox bearings replaced by Honda under warranty?
This is a known problem hense why they have extended warranty to 7 years. I have done several and would imagine will do a few more.
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Yes, they asked for my owners booklet which had one of the services missing from it, plus, nobody had signed that transmission fluid had been changed at certain points. I would strongly advise people to ensure that Dealers fill in your booklets properly!!! Think I was very lucky to get my parts paid for but when I spoke to Honda and explained why I had brought one (quality and customer service) plus I am a nurse and need a reliable car to travel the city in it helped!!! All I can say is that if you hear a noise in the gearbox get it checked sooner than later and make sure you appeal if they initially refuse. Its such a shame, they re-call for a faulty switch but don't advise of possible gear box problems.
The switch saftey related hence the recall. The gearbox bearings are not saftey related.
Great news that they have done it under warrenty for you.
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Hi I still have not found out what causes the noisy, gearbox bearings , It may be just that they dont put in much oil , a work aquantaince had to put at least 1.5 litres of engine oil in his 2 week old car to make the oil come up to the low level mark on the dipstick
Although if the jazz has had this problem since what,,,,,, 2002,,,, then it may be a generic engineering problem in the gearbox
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From what i can remember ( i dont get on here much !) its due to pressure from the clutch prematurely wearing the bearing, changing oil won't help as its already worn ! I think you need to have full service history (although i cant see how that affects the gearbox !) The warranty extension is 7 yrs or 100,000 mls and is on model codes GD1, GD5, GE2 and GE3. years 2003 to 2008 The service bulletin No is SJ-04-008-03 Issue date 03 12 09. I think this is for manual transmission only but will hopefully help others. Dave
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I have owned 5 honda jazz's and modified them all and as a result the fault has been made clear to me and is typical to a lot of Hondas. The input bearings that hold the gears in position in the gearbox fail. The set off ball bearings are held in a race that keeps them evenly spaced out the problems develops when this race starts to crumble under loads, accelerating/ engine braking, you can buy after market bearings that are stronger than the OEM honda ones. I'm in the process of finally bottoming out this fault and fitting a limited slip dif to go with. As for costing don't take it to your honda dealer they will rip you off the job should take no more than 5 hours, and it's just a tricky things as you have to take the drive shafts off and access is awkward, but it's worth fixing with uprated bearings and trying a less viscous gearbox oil 4GL instead of 5GL/6GL this will also stop parasitic power loss by the oil in the gearbox. What I mean by this is that the thicker the oil the harder it is for your gears to turn, like having to run through water instead of on land.
I like Honda's and you can't please everyone and you have to remember everything needs TLC occasionally
:D
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I`ve the same problem in my Jazz too with 60000. The other problem is the clicking noise in the 2nd gear when turning left (only in the 2nd gear and only when turning left).
The problem is:
"On early Jazz a clicking noise heard when turning left in 2nd gear may be due to the reverse shift holder ball bearing being contaminated and partially seized, causing the reverse idler gear to not return to neutral. Shifting into 2nd gear causes the reverse idler gear to touch the countershaft reverse gear. This problem has been known by Honda since 2002, and resulted a stronger reverse shift holder being fitted to later models. Repairs to early Jazz may be quoted at around £730."
Does anyone know how much is the stronger reverse shift holder cost?
My nearest Honda Dealer is in London (Chiswick) but I don`t want to go there. I told them the clicking noise problem a few years back, after the left drive shaft was changed and the guy at the service desk told me I had to change the drive shaft - told him it had been changed - told me I need to book the car in to check. I didn`t want to pay anything so I didn`t book it (anyway I don`t drive the car that often in the 2nd gear when turning left). When possible I want to service my car.
mod: Just been at "Allparts" shop and they don`t have any gearbox parts on the listing but they have OEM quality clutch kit for £120.53+VAT.
mod: Euro Car Parts doesn`t have any gearbox bits too.
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Formula 1 teams get caught out using chinese copys of good bearings and they lose races because of it,,,,,,,,, :( , ordinary people like us have no way of telling if we have cheap chinese bearings in our car masquerading as good quality bearings :-X
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I thought I would post on this thread because the previous owner of my 2005 Honda Jazz Sport had a gearbox bearing problem at 87000miles, and After a lot of arguing, managed to get his local Honda Dealer (Boston Honda) to cover the whole cost of the bearing change and with new gearbox oil.
So I would say if one Honda dealer is willing to accept this is a common fault, then they all should in my opinion!
So I guess, just keep pressuring them! Maybe print out loads of reports of it happening and write to Honda head office!
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I thought I would post on this thread because the previous owner of my 2005 Honda Jazz Sport had a gearbox bearing problem at 87000miles, and After a lot of arguing, managed to get his local Honda Dealer (Boston Honda) to cover the whole cost of the bearing change and with new gearbox oil.
So I would say if one Honda dealer is willing to accept this is a common fault, then they all should in my opinion!
So I guess, just keep pressuring them! Maybe print out loads of reports of it happening and write to Honda head office!
They should have done it with no problem. Honda already know about this problem and have extended the warrenty to 7 years. All dealers need to do is get autharisation from honda, job done.
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I`ve been at the local Honda dealer today to get the price for the all ball bearings in the gearbox and the final price came up as £220 incl. VAT.
I`ve just finished reading this forum so it looks it would be enough to change only the input shaft bearing. I don`t know the bearing`s prices separately, but the most expensive was around £26.
I`m thinking to change only 1 bearing (input) or all?
Last weekend I`ve changed the clutch kit because I assumed the release/thrust bearing is failing but it wasn`t anyway the clutch disk was worn (about 5.5mm) and the manual says it should be replaced at 5mm. So I changed it just before the last time.
At the same time I changed the reverse shift holder too, that was an easy-peasy job, now the clicking noise disappeared in the 2nd gear turning left. (Thanks JazzyB !)
mod: Pictures of the reverse shift holder:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207%20%2B%20info.jpg (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207%20%2B%20info.jpg)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3209.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3209.JPG)
mod: Today I ordered all the ball bearings for my gearbox. After arrived I`ll post the sizes. Uploaded the bearing quote (including new EGR valve), http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Jazz%20Gearbox%20bearing%2C%20EGR%20valve.jpg (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Jazz%20Gearbox%20bearing%2C%20EGR%20valve.jpg).
mod: As I promised here are the pictures of the new ball bearings.
91004-PLW-A01: Mainshaft, Ball bearing, 26x72x15, (NTN)
(No.14) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0400&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0400&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3237.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3237.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3259.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3259.JPG)
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91006-PHR-003: Clutch case?, Ball bearing, 26x52x15, 6205 SPL, (NTN)
(No.7) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3241.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3241.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3256.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3256.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3257.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3257.JPG)
91101-PHR-003: Clutch case, Needle bearing, 34x59x20, (NTN)
(No. 8 ) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3242.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3242.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3254.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3254.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3255.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3255.JPG)
91002-PHR-013: Countershaft, Ball bearing, 26x52x15, 6205, (NTN)
(No.13) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3243.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3243.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3251.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3251.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3252.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3252.JPG)
91003-P21-003: Countershaft, Ball bearing, 25x52x14, (NTN)
(No.12) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3244.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3244.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3248.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3248.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3249.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3249.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3250.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3250.JPG)
91005-PHR-003: Differential, Ball bearing sealed, (2x) 6207, (NTN)
(No.6) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0800&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0800&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3245.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3245.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3246.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3246.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3247.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3247.JPG)
90201-PB6-020: Countershaft - Nut, Flange, 22mm, Left threaded
(No.10) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952 (http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3239.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3239.JPG)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3240.JPG (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3240.JPG)
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Just had my gearbox bearings replaced under extended warranty. I put the car in for the recalls and to check the rear wheel bearings and they came back and said your gearbox is noisy as well, the differential bearings. I hadn't noticed it as abnormal, when accelerating hard in 3rd gear I got a small whine which I thought was OK. When I changed the gearbox oil earlier in the year I added Molyslip and the whine all but disappeared to my ears.
They replaced the bearings (a set, there is a service kit I understand) and the car is noticeably quieter, no drive noise at all. (And no wheel bearing noise either). I said to the guy I though it was a 1st and 2nd gear thing, he said its most common on 1st & 2nd, but 3rd, 5th and the diff goes as well. 4th is a straight through so that one's ok.
The whole job was done free of charge under the extended warranty. Full marks to Honda there for looking after older cars (mine's a 2005, 35kmiles). They've kept a customer, I'll be having that Civic next time round after all!
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When you had the gearbox bearings replaced did they check to see whether you had a Honda service history or any service history??
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Yes they did. I was worried here - the car had full Honda FSH up to 2009, then I've serviced it myself (since I bought it) in 2010 & 2011. I have filled in the service book, with my signature. I thought this might go against me, not having paid the "ownership tax" as I regard it, but no mention was made. I observed that they must have checked the service book as it was put back in a different place. Possibly the fact it only has 35kmiles (15k by me in just over a year) helped. I had changed the gearbox oil in April 2011 and filled in that section of the service book, even though its not due till 70k or so. This might even arouse suspicion you may argue.
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Hi - I have just had my gearbox bearings replaced by Honda free of charge, though I did pay £215 for a new clutch (no labor charge). Full marks to Honda! The car is a 55 Jazz 1.4 and now goes really well. I did have to show the Honda service history by the way.
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Hi everyone
i've just joined, i was doing some research on the GD Jazz and came across the site.
i'm looking for a Jazz 1.4 for the wife possible from 2005 onwards, do the facelift cars still suffer from this shaft bearing problem or are they fitted with the improved bearings from factory?
Alan
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Recently took my 2007 i-dsi SE into Brindley Honda in brum for an mot and check up they informed me that the bearings on the gear box were noisy and could do with being replaced. The car has covered 51000 miles since Dec 2007 so almost 4 years old
Honda said they would cover it under warranty ??? I was a little surprised they offered to do it under warranty
Anyone else experienced this ?
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Hi guys. Im new to the forum. My 2004 Jazz SE has this very same problem. I have booked it into the main stealer in Stockport where I live. To ensure they repair it FOC please can you all post up the names and locations of Honda main dealers that repaired your gearboxes with the same problem free of charge?? Please can you also let me know if you car was out of the main 3 year warrenty when this gearbox repair was carried out??
Please post up asap as im into Honda in Stockport tomorrow.
Cheers
Peter B 8)
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yes honda will fix your gearbox free of charge if your car is less than 7 years old or has done under 100.000 miles,
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Is that regardless of whether it has a service history?
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It may depend on the dealer but i wasnt asked for the service history of our car ?
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As the manual gearbox oil is only due for change at 70,000 miles the service history up to then is irrelevant anyway - (knowing most dealers they wouldn't even change it then :(
My 53 plate GD (now gone and replaced with Civic 1.8 i-Vtec) had done nearly 110K when I traded it in, gearbox was still fine, just the smallest of noises in lower gears. Most of my mileage was 'A' road and motorway so lower 3 gears didn't get used much. My wifes Jazz did a lot lower mileage but local stuff and the bearing was making noises about 50K. The bearing in question is the idler shaft and only affects lower 3 gears, it was not a design fault, just a bad batch of bearings and only seemed to affect 2002 and 2003 models.
Symptom is a whining noise that is normally worst in 1st and then gets less up to 3rd and then goes away in 4th and 5th. Gearbox will not seize or fail, but when you can't get any more volume on the radio you may have to get gearbox fixed.
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Hello there. I know there's been quite a gap since the last post on this topic but hopefully someone will be able to offer some advice...
I have a 2005 1.4, 40,000 miles, 3rd owner, FSH @ Honda garages. Now noticing a noisy gearbox.
I've seen that there's a service bulletin No SJ-04-008-03 Issue date 03 12 09. Warranty extension 7 yrs or 100,000 mls and is on model codes GD1, GD5, GE2 and GE3. years 2003 to 2008 for manual transmission only.
Would anyone know if this service bulletin is still applicable today? Or have a copy of the bulletin?
Many thanks!
Graham,
Edinburgh
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I would assume it is still applicable, however, since yours is a 2005, it is out of the 7 year warranty period which that service bulletin is applicable to.
There is also a 7 year service bulletin for the automatic CVT transmission which judders when taking off, I asked my Honda dealer as mine had this problem but the only way to get Honda to fix it outside the 7 year warranty period would be to write directly to Honda UK.
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Hello there. I know there's been quite a gap since the last post on this topic but hopefully someone will be able to offer some advice...
I have a 2005 1.4, 40,000 miles, 3rd owner, FSH @ Honda garages. Now noticing a noisy gearbox.
I've seen that there's a service bulletin No SJ-04-008-03 Issue date 03 12 09. Warranty extension 7 yrs or 100,000 mls and is on model codes GD1, GD5, GE2 and GE3. years 2003 to 2008 for manual transmission only.
Would anyone know if this service bulletin is still applicable today? Or have a copy of the bulletin?
Many thanks!
Graham,
Edinburgh
Ask a dealer or contact Honda UK directly. You never know, they may say yes.
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Hi. Got Jazz for three mounts. The whirring noise started a week ago on our 2007 1.4 i-DSI it has done 50500 miles. When clutch is pressed noise stops. While gearbox is cold noise is very annoying as is louder than engine and can be clearly heard. While gearbox is warm noise is not that loud but still can be heard. Honda dealer in Crewe refused to made a claim under approved used warranty saying that noise is not loud enough.
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Is the noise louder in lower 3 gears ? this will be the intermediate shaft (layshaft) bearing. Which should not affect 4th and 5th gear.
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On cold noise can be heard in 1st and 2nd slightly on 3rd. When warm noise can be slightly heard on 1st and when car i standing.
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I have just changed the gearbox bearings and oil seals in my 2008 1.4 i-DSi with just over 40,000 miles on the clock. The kit was £113 and contains all 7 bearings and 3 oils seals all OEM. The knocking and whirring noises came from the the bearings at either end of the main shaft.
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I have just changed the gearbox bearings and oil seals in my 2008 1.4 i-DSi with just over 40,000 miles on the clock. The kit was £113 and contains all 7 bearings and 3 oils seals all OEM. The knocking and whirring noises came from the the bearings at either end of the main shaft.
Can you say what bearings were in the car?
What make are the new kit bearings?
Are these boxes built in country of origin or somewhere else?
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Could anyone recommend a good independent mechanic in the Warwickshire or West Midlands area that might be able to look at this issue? I have tried a few local garages, but they are either too pricey or not got the expertise to do the gearbox work..
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Hi guys i have the annoying noisy 1st 2nd and 3rd gear problem too.. 2003 se sport manual. I was wondering what tge best solution is as iv only just got the car so its over 7 years old and also on 120k miles. Did anyone try any gearbox additive like molyslip to cure the noise and help with noise reduction?
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Did anyone try any gearbox additive like molyslip to cure the noise and help with noise reduction?
Once the noise has started it's pretty much going to carry on. I used molyslip in my GD Jazz gearbox from the day I had it and the noise was just starting (but very low volume and only in 1st) when I sold it with around 110K on the clock - First thing I did when I got my Civic was put fresh gearbox oil in with a tube of molyslip added. I am a great believer in Molyslip - but as a prevention rather than a cure.
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Thank you. I just cant afford to pay £700 plus for bearing change unless it was a diy job i would of taken an attempt. Also someone mentioned using gl4 transmission fluid would this help?
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Seems I've arrived at this too late, but my 2005 1.4 manual has developed a noisy gearbox in lower gears. Bought last year from a main dealer, full service history, 24,000 miles. My first Honda car after 15 years of Toyotas, first main dealer buy. And then at first service they quote me over £900 to fix what I discover is a known problem! That's 20% of the price I paid for it! :o
I contacted Honda and they've agreed to pay the parts, so kudos to them for that. Dealer has offered 10% discount on labour, so it's still over £600 to pay out.
So can someone tell me if I leave it, will it break anything seriously expensive? And what do you think of the dealer's attitude (their slogan is 'Where peace of mind comes as standard'!)
When the dealer gets a TSB, are they required to contact owners, should they be looking out for this at service time? Or do they wait until it's reported?
Any help and advice appreciated- help restore my faith in Hondas! Had several motorbikes and they were great.
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They're taking the piss.
I found an indy specialist who said labour was 350 including transmission fluid, from Honda.
Either way, I've been driving mine around for 3 months with this fault and no issues. Apparently you should only be concerned if it is seriously noisy, I'm just going to live with it.
As an aside, how long ago did you buy it from the dealer as you may be able to take them on if it was within the last 6 months.
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Hi there!
My Honda Jazz 2004 has started to have this noise from gearbox for about 3 days, in all gears except 5th... At the beginning is was not that big, but today it got quite obvious.
Tomorrow I need to drive 450km to home. Is it ok to drive that distance with this problem?
Thanks
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I have exactly the same problem in second gear as described by DV and JazzyB five years ago. In his post, DV has shared some photos which have since expired. Does anyone still have those? They would be very helpful.
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So turn up for the books my 09 (Mk2) Ex has the same issue with 60K on the clock. Still under warranty with the dealer so they are putting a reconditioned gearbox in.
It would seem they didn't rectify this issue for the Mk2 (at least not the early Jap built ones)?
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I have exactly the same problem in second gear as described by DV and JazzyB five years ago. In his post, DV has shared some photos which have since expired. Does anyone still have those? They would be very helpful.
Hi,
I was only posting the picture of the actual part I`ve replaced.
I`ll search for the photo on my computer but cannot guarantee I still have them.
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I have exactly the same problem in second gear as described by DV and JazzyB five years ago. In his post, DV has shared some photos which have since expired. Does anyone still have those? They would be very helpful.
Hi,
I was only posting the picture of the actual part I`ve replaced.
Ill search for the photo on my computer but cannot guarantee I still have them.
That would be great! Or if you could just verify it's the piece from the attached schematic, that would also be very helpful.
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No. 4 on the picture is the reverse shift part what I`ve replaced.
Could not find the pictures though...
Edit:
Found them:
https://goo.gl/photos/XDFVok7MvJez15uo6 (https://goo.gl/photos/XDFVok7MvJez15uo6)
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Thanks again! The part has arrived, and I'll try to replace it this week.
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Hi
2003 Honda Jazz full main dealer service history just over 80,000 miles
Now developed this problem
Honda tell me it's not worth repairing the car
Any suggestions please thanks
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Now developed this problem
Any suggestions please thanks
It would help if you tell us what 'this problem' is.
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At 80k car is probably worth £900-£950 at best. No point going to Honda but any decent independent garage should be able to fix it for you for about £300-£400 but only if you intend to keep it for a few more years. Otherwise you can probably get around £400 for it but then again any first gen can have this issue. Better the devil you know so I would get it repaired and get the clutch done while the box is off. An aftermarket kit will probably cost you additional £80 but atleast you will be good for a while.
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As the manual gearbox oil is only due for change at 70,000 miles the service history up to then is irrelevant anyway - (knowing most dealers they wouldn't even change it then :(
My 53 plate GD (now gone and replaced with Civic 1.8 i-Vtec) had done nearly 110K when I traded it in, gearbox was still fine, just the smallest of noises in lower gears. Most of my mileage was 'A' road and motorway so lower 3 gears didn't get used much. My wifes Jazz did a lot lower mileage but local stuff and the bearing was making noises about 50K. The bearing in question is the idler shaft and only affects lower 3 gears, it was not a design fault, just a bad batch of bearings and only seemed to affect 2002 and 2003 models.
Symptom is a whining noise that is normally worst in 1st and then gets less up to 3rd and then goes away in 4th and 5th. Gearbox will not seize or fail, but when you can't get any more volume on the radio you may have to get gearbox fixed.
This is a good description of my problem too. Which only started a 1000 miles ago. (My Jazz is 2003 80,000 miles on odometer). As i only want to keep the car another 4,000 miles. Is it ok if i do not fix the issue? One mechanic suggested that replacing the gearbox with a second hand one would be cheaper than the pulling it apart to change the bearing. One mechanic said it is the clutch which needs to be replaced (but I dint think so... it was replaced at 60,000 miles).
In. Short, if any one can confirm that they have driver 10,0000 miles with theis infamous whirring sound is appreciate it. Cause at this point it's hardly worth spending $800 on my car (though it is running sweetly aside from this!)
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I had recon box fitted with new clutch 350 same day great garage
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Well done. Seems like a good price. Did that include everything? Did garage source gearbox?
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Well done. Seems like a good price. Did that include everything? Did garage source gearbox?
I bought both beck clutch 60 off eBay they fitted it free there price was gearbox 180 and 110 fitting so it was 350 all in same day
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Gear box &fitting 290 clutch 60
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Is there a link between noisy gearbox bearings and not getting the gearbox oil changed on time?
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I cannot comment on mine. Gearbox oil may or may not have been changed as it had done almost 90K before I got it. Should be done at 72K, or sooner if lots of short trips (what do "they" consider short).
I have heard of gearboxes failing well before 72K.
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Gearbox oil doesn't get dirty and contaminated like engine oil, they probably set a reasonable life for it to cover all conditions, but I doubt going over mileage would cause failure of anything. I don't think short trips affect oil, but local journeys using lower gears more will cause more loads on bearing that does fail in Honda box. I have always put molyslip in my gearbox oil and my box went over 120K before I traded it in and gearbox still OK, my wifes Jazz got noisy at around 80K.
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This was my gearbox oil (2010>2017) certainly did not come out golden, also contained some fine soot like particles which were non-magnetic, although I'd expect any that were to be stuck to a magnet in the case.
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When I was at Rover Powertrain at Cofton Park, Longbridge Bham in the early 2000's installing whole vehicle test rigs we had some manual gearboxes on BMW engines destined for RangeRovers with 'filled for life - do not drain' labels on them, so it does show that certainly manual gearbox oil can be left in situ for a long time. It is the combustion products and high temperatures (oil acts as a coolant for the engine) that degrade engine oil.
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Most cars I have worked on had no drain plug, just a fill/level plug.
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Has anyone had a failure from these 'defective' bearings and now with time and hindsight is it ok to carry on driving it regardless?
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2007 (57 reg, September) Low Mileage Jazz SE 1.4, has the infamous input shaft bearing whirr with the clutch disengaged that goes away when you press it. It also whines in second and fourth under load at speed, though I believe this is just the aforementioned bearing. I changed the oil recently as it hadn't been done in 10 years (I've owned the car for 1)
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Did it have the 'noise' when you bought it and roughly how many miles have you done in it with the 'noise' please?
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Incidently do you not have the noise in 1st and third either?
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Did it have the 'noise' when you bought it and roughly how many miles have you done in it with the 'noise' please?
I bought the car on 56750 and thinking back it definitely had the bearing noise, I just didn't realise and thought it was a Jazz thing. Serves me right for not checking common faults first. I've done approximately 9500 miles in the car since I bought it and it's been there the whole time, never given me too much cause for concern and never seemed to worsen or anything.
I don't believe mine makes too much whining in first or third - It does make some but it's only noticeable in first and even then not as much as second/fourth. Fifth has a little bit too.