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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Katby on January 22, 2019, 06:13:18 PM
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Hi all, just purchased a Jazz EX NAVI today for pick up Friday.
I'm very confused amd hope someone can advise. I would like steel wheels and winter tyres for this car. I have steel wheels plus tyres from my old jazz an 04 se. I doubt they will fit?
What is the best size and offset? To go for please?
Thanks in advance
Kat
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I think all jazz wheels will fit, with 4 fixing studs and the same overall diameter.
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Go to my tyres.co.uk and put car details in, if you have a problem search the forum for mytyres or winter tyres and there will be links ..
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=6492.msg27797#msg27797
Links to mytyres 175/65R15 steel rims and winter tyres to replace 16" 185/55R16 - narrower tyres are better in winter and give a better ride, outside diameter is identical, I do not even have to recalibrate the TPMS on her indoors Jazz mk2 when changing winter summer tyres and the other way.
Mytyres will deliver steel wheels fitted with tyres already balanced nd ready to fit, winter tyres are normally directional ( you have to fit wheels to correct side of car ) so look for the arrow on side wall which shows the direction of wheel rotation when car is going forwards, the tyres will be fitted opposite way on pairs of wheels, two for each side of car. The normal Honda wheel nuts are good for alloys or steel rims. Nokian WR D3 or D4 are excellent winter tyres.
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Thanks very much everyone
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Am I right in thinking the tyre pressure sensors work on the rotation of the wheels and don’t have sensors fitted in the rim?
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I have to ask.
Unless you live out in the wilds of the countryside, or perhaps the Highlands of Scotland, do we really need winter tyres on any family car in the U.K.
I probably agree the use of steel wheels in the winter, but in over 60 years of driving, I have never had to change the tyres on any vehicle that I have owned, for winter driving.
It's obviously important to ensure that your tyres are in good condition at all times and when the road conditions are poor, surely you accordingly?
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Am I right in thinking the tyre pressure sensors work on the rotation of the wheels and don’t have sensors fitted in the rim?
Yes - based on wheel rotation. See https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=8667.0 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=8667.0).
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I have never had, or needed, winter tyres. We get snow and ice so seldom it is not worth while. On the one day it is bad I just leave the car in the garage!
When I worked in Greenock I bought a set of snow chains. 10 years later I sold the car with them still in the boot, unused!
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I have to ask.
Unless you live out in the wilds of the countryside, or perhaps the Highlands of Scotland, do we really need winter tyres on any family car in the U.K.
I probably agree the use of steel wheels in the winter, but in over 60 years of driving, I have never had to change the tyres on any vehicle that I have owned, for winter driving.
It's obviously important to ensure that your tyres are in good condition at all times and when the road conditions are poor, surely you accordingly?
Winter tyres are like chalk and cheese with summers in ice and snow ( or even just cold and wet roads)- I used to be out to get to work very early and before I got winters I used to have to go out even earlier and clear the hill out of our estate and salt it from the bins, not what you really want to be doing at 4AM. After winters fitted I used to sail up the road and left the untouched road for later users to get stuck on ( I doubt they ever realised I had cleaned the road for them before) a lot of cars on our estate used to park along the main road about half a mile from our estate and walk rather than try to get up or down the twisty hill. Remember that winters are much, much better for steering and braking as well, it is not all about traction, more about grip. IIRC roads in Scotland have a much grippier surface than English roads, there are warnings on my motorbike forum about extra tyre wear when in Scotland......
I have been through some of the worst winters in living memory on cars ( some rear wheel drive with a bag of sand or a paving slab in the boot ) with summer tyres but it was a struggle and you were always liable to get pretty well stuck and need outside help with pushing, but with winter tyres it is a breeze. My wifes Nokian WRD3 are on their 4th winter and the present Nokians on my Civic on their 3rd while the alloys are snug in the garage ready waxed for spring. If you want to use steel wheels in winter what is the point in having summer tyres on them ? Winter tyres are not as expensive as summers anyway, and while your winters are wearing your summers are not. It is also easy to wash down steel wheels and slap a coat of Hammerite on them if required, something you would not do with alloys which can get very expensive to refurbish properly. Alloys really take a hammering when roads are salted, and steel wheels protect the brakes ( especially the stupid Jazz rear discs) from a lot of crap because they have far less open area than alloys.
I am happy when my wife goes out in dodgy weather that she can get where she want to go and her tyres will not be the cause of her getting stuck somehwere, we have some pretty good hills in Shropshire that are deadly when snow on them.
The only real extra expense is the steel rims, as your summer tyres get no wear for six months of the year - but unlike alloys steel rims last for ever with little care. I suppose it depends how long you keep a vehicle and if the rims will fit your next one as I doubt many garages or private buyers would want to pay for your steel rims / winter tyres when buying the car.
here is a great test and video for anyone who doubts how good winter tyres are. Two videos, one at the snowdome and another showing tyres when road temp is below 7 deg C.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/66692/winter-tyres-4x4-grip-test-video
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Winter tyres are like chalk and cheese with summers in ice and snow - I used to be out to get to work very early and before I got winters I used to have to go out even earlier and clear the hill out of our estate and salt it from the bins, not what you really want to be doing at 4AM. After winters fitted I used to sail up the road and left the untouched road for later users to get stuck on ( I doubt they ever realised I had cleaned the road for them before) a lot of cars on our estate used to park along the main road about half a mile from our estate and walk rather than try to get up or down the twisty hill. Remember that winters are much, much better for steering and braking as well, it is not all about traction, more about grip. IIRC roads in Scotland have a much grippier surface than English roads, there are warnings on my motorbike forum about extra tyre wear when in Scotland......
I have all season tyres on my card, usually Scotland's weather doesn't get to the temperatures in the south-east of England, so I reckon they're a good compromise for me. Had winter tyres on my Qashqai and it would go up hills in two wheel drive that were impassible if summer ones were fitted.
I'm sure that the tyres do wear much quicker up here, but don't ask me to prove it!
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https://www.wheel-size.com/size/honda/jazz/2004/
You need to be careful as the 2004 Jazz was fitted with 14" or 15" wheels where later ones probably had 15" or 16" rims.
The difference in tyre rolling radius between 185/55R16 ( on 16" rims) and 175/65R15 ( on 15" rims) is negligible - but I don't know what tyre you could fit to a 14" rim to get the same radius, so you need to know what your original rims and tyres are ( will be on the sidewall of tyre). Even then I doubt the 14" rims will clear the brake calipers even if you can fit them instead of 16" rims, or what your speedometer will read..
https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/
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Last weekend I was in Oxfordshire, and I was surprised seeing that only few cars fit winter tires. In Italy winter equipment is compulsory from october to april (winter tires or snow chains), and many italians (living in northern regions, Tuscany and over) use winter tires, surely more than in Oxfordshire. Does it happen only in that region?
Anyway, I own a Jazz Elegance Navi (same trim of your EX Navi but the steering wheel in another position), and I can only fit 16' tires, summer or winter.
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Last weekend I was in Oxfordshire, and I was surprised seeing that only few cars fit winter tires. In Italy winter equipment is compulsory from october to april (winter tires or snow chains), and many italians (living in northern regions, Tuscany and over) use winter tires, surely more than in Oxfordshire.
Very few UK car owners bother with winter tyres. The country as a whole doesn't do much preparation for winter weather because there's just not much need for it, least-wise not in the southern half where most of us live. Anywhere south of Birmingham or near the coast might see one or two snow falls every couple of years and most winters the only snow we see is on the tops of high hills (of which we don't have very many). And any snow that does fall on roads is typically wiped away by the early commuters. Occasionally we get a really bad winter like the last one where entire days (gosh!) can have snow on the road all day. But that's unusual. So for most of us there's probably only a couple of days every few years where winter tyres are needed. Add to that the hassle of changing them. The problems of storing them. The cost of two sets of tyres. And..meh.
Up north (where it's grim :) ) the risk of snow and ice is slightly higher, compounded by lower traffic density so roads are quieter and more prone to icing up but it still probably only amounts to half a dozen days and there are still years when they see no snow at all.
Yesterday was bad by our standards (although my particular area - South Northamptonshire/North Oxfordshire had no snow at all) but I bet this morning most of the roads are clear of snow and winter tyres are no longer needed. That could well be the one and only snowy day most people see, although we're not out of the woods really until Easter.
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The 'cost' of winter tyres is really only the steel rims - and they last forever with little maintenance ( unlike alloys ). It is really the salt that does the damage to alloys ( unless you skid into kerb, which is a lot more likely in winter) and alloys are not cheap to get refurbished, if you have diamond cut ( which are getting more common ) it can be around £100 per wheel. You can get winter tyres on steel rims from somewhere like mytyres for about £80. You also only wear one set of tyres at a time. I agree storage may be a problem for some but instead of buying a full size spare or useless spavesaver you can use a winter as a summer spare and summer as winter spare, so only 3 wheels to store and you saved the cost of a dedicated spare.
It is well known that once road temperature drops below 7degC the rubber in summer tyres hardens up enough to significantly affect grip. Don't think of them as snow tyres, they are 'winter tyres', designed for colder temperatures. They also work well in mud due to directional self-cleaning tread.
I was a sceptic for a long time about winter tyres, but eventually got some because of a bad winter and I was commuting over 40 miles each way to work in hilly areas with a lot of 'B' roads, they proved their worth many times since. Even getting off our estate is a problem as we have a twisty hill gets no sun and we are quite high up, so any snow does not melt of its own accord and you often find people have stolen the salt out of the council bins for their own driveways, so no good looking in there.
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I was commuting over 40 miles each way to work in hilly areas with a lot of 'B' roads, they proved their worth many times since. Even getting off our estate is a problem as we have a twisty hill gets no sun and we are quite high up,
If you have a need for them there is no doubt there's a benefit. I feel I do not have a need, and with steel wheels already, no advantage there.
Last winter I had one 6 am start in this, but by lunchtime the roads were clear. And that was it!
(https://i.imgur.com/r5W84ei.jpg?1)
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I was a sceptic for a long time about winter tyres, but eventually got some because of a bad winter and I was commuting over 40 miles each way to work in hilly areas with a lot of 'B' roads, they proved their worth many times since. Even getting off our estate is a problem as we have a twisty hill gets no sun and we are quite high up, so any snow does not melt of its own accord and you often find people have stolen the salt out of the council bins for their own driveways, so no good looking in there.
I'm not suggesting they aren't an improvement. I'm just suggesting that most people in the UK have concluded that they aren't really necessary and don't justify the hassle and cost. There's the cost of paying someone to fit them (not everyone wants to change their own wheels and some don't have anywhere to do it). There's the cost of having someone store them. Then there's the irritating trip to the storage facility to have them fitted..or worse still to pick them up and then go somewhere else to have them fitted.
If you live in a rural area that might make them more useful and justify the inconvenience but I think most people can't be bothered and most people seem to get around well enough anyway.
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I also believe that summer tyres and knowing how to drive in snow will get you further than winter tyres and no clue. Unfortunately the majority of drivers seem not to have a clue.
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I also believe that summer tyres and knowing how to drive in snow will get you further than winter tyres and no clue. Unfortunately the majority of drivers seem not to have a clue.
I don't normally disagree with you Jocko but on this thing I do.
My first experience of Winter tyres was when I took my son skiing in Andorra. We hired a car in Barcelona and drove up from there. After a couple of days, there was a fall of snow and my car would go nowhere. I have many years driving experience, including all weathers. I have crossed the pennines regularly on Summer tyres in all kinds of vehicles and weather conditions. But on snow and ice like this, my hired Megane was going nowhere. And yet everyone else was driving around as if the snow wasn't there. The reason? Winter tyres.
The next Winter, I put some on my Jazz (2nd gen) and, as I live quite high up in the Pennines, encountered a lot of snow. I was able to point my Jazz up the steep and bendy road to my village and drive home, when proper 4x4s were really struggling. For years I had 4x4s with Summer tyres and had struggled (but managed) on these hills. With the Jazz on Winters, the only thing I would not tackle was deep snow.
I honestly believe in normal snowy Winter conditions with winter tyres on, a novice driver could manage whereas such a driver on summer tyres would come a cropper.
Having said all of that, if you live in a relatively low lying flat area and considering our normal Winter weather, I can understand why most people in the UK don't bother. I haven't got any for my RAV4 yet, but once these tyres are near the limit, I will be swapping them with All Seasons.
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My first experience of Winter tyres was when I took my son skiing in Andorra. We hired a car in Barcelona and drove up from there. After a couple of days, there was a fall of snow and my car would go nowhere. I have many years driving experience, including all weathers. I have crossed the pennines regularly on Summer tyres in all kinds of vehicles and weather conditions. But on snow and ice like this, my hired Megane was going nowhere. And yet everyone else was driving around as if the snow wasn't there. The reason? Winter tyres.
I would imagine that the cars with their winter tyres were regular skiers (my neighbour is a regular skier and his car is fitter with mud and snow tyres), used to driving in snow, so perhaps it does not refute my statement. I am not arguing that winter tyres do not make a difference, but even with full snow tyres the numpties who try and pull away, in first gear, and with loads of revs, are going nowhere.
My son-in-law is an expert at driving in snow. He has a large van, on standard van tyres, and he spends his winter going to stranded gritters and ploughs, broken down in the Scottish Highlands. The fact it carries tons of tools and equipment probably helps.
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I have been through many bad winters and proper winter tyres would have turned stressful journeys into a much happier experience, there is a limit on the grip of summer tyres in snow that you sometimes just cannot compensate for. IMHO The best combination for winter driving is CVT combined with winter tyres because the CVT system will limit the power available to driving wheels and try to stop wheelspin ( CVT should always select highest gear with respect to throttle position ). Traction control ( Honda VSA ) should help to stop wheels spinning but sometimes it is better to turn it off in snow. The other thing about winter tyres is the braking aspect, which can massively reduce stopping distances.
My wife's Fiat Punto CVT was ok in snow as it had a magnetic powder clutch that gave a very smooth take up of the drive, which combined with a fairly low powered engine limited tendency to spin the wheels.
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I always found my automatics great in the snow for the same reason. They also had a "Snow" or "Winter" switch (depending on manufacturer), which meant it would start off in 4th gear and stay there until you cancelled it or reached 50 mph. Torque converter did all the work.
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I would imagine that the cars with their winter tyres were regular skiers (my neighbour is a regular skier and his car is fitter with mud and snow tyres), used to driving in snow, so perhaps it does not refute my statement.
Actually they were mostly the Andorran, Spanish and French residents, for whom winter tyres are mandatory in Winter.
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I would imagine that the cars with their winter tyres were regular skiers (my neighbour is a regular skier and his car is fitter with mud and snow tyres), used to driving in snow, so perhaps it does not refute my statement.
Actually they were mostly the Andorran, Spanish and French residents, for whom winter tyres are mandatory in Winter.
So if you are resident in the area you will know how to drive in snow, or should do.
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Well my point is that with Winter tyres, you can pretty much drive normally. The only special care you need is patience and the nouse not to drive in the deep stuff.
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My first experience of Winter tyres was when I took my son skiing in Andorra. We hired a car in Barcelona and drove up from there. After a couple of days, there was a fall of snow and my car would go nowhere. I have many years driving experience, including all weathers. I have crossed the pennines regularly on Summer tyres in all kinds of vehicles and weather conditions. But on snow and ice like this, my hired Megane was going nowhere. And yet everyone else was driving around as if the snow wasn't there. The reason? Winter tyres.
I would imagine that the cars with their winter tyres were regular skiers (my neighbour is a regular skier and his car is fitter with mud and snow tyres), used to driving in snow, so perhaps it does not refute my statement. I am not arguing that winter tyres do not make a difference, but even with full snow tyres the numpties who try and pull away, in first gear, and with loads of revs, are going nowhere.
My son-in-law is an expert at driving in snow. He has a large van, on standard van tyres, and he spends his winter going to stranded gritters and ploughs, broken down in the Scottish Highlands. The fact it carries tons of tools and equipment probably helps.
I totally agree with Richardfrost. With summer tires you can drive (you need a lot of skills...) but only in flat lands, or in low degree climbs. In standard climbs we found in our Alps, you could be the best driver in snow of the world, you won't be able to drive because of spinning, even with a 4wd. In our mountains I've seen lots of 4wd suv blocked, 4 summer wheels spinning and spinning while little 2wd Golfs, Puntos or 1er BMW, with winter tires, could drive with no problems. I use to say that "winter tires are not useful until you try them"
There are another 2 good points for winter tires at low temperature: one is the grip on wet roads (both with heavy rain and slighy wet- dry as you can find in early morning), the other is the feeling: especially with wet, winter tires are more "progessive" in losing grip, so you can easily correct your trajectory with brakes and steering wheel. Summer tires suddenly lose grip and then it is more difficult to get it again.
That's why I prefer to have winter tires in my cars, even if I could comply our rules with summer tires and snow chains in my boot. This octorber I spent 700€ for a set of alloy rims and 4 Hankook (not cheap,I know), but winter tires are definetly safer in our country.
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But we don't have Alps in the UK. I am not decrying Winter tyres. I am just saying that, in the UK, most drivers have no need for them (most but not all). In 50+ years of driving in the UK the only time I have ever been stymied in snow was due to the depth. Difficult to go anywhere when it is up past your front number plate!
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But we don't have Alps in the UK.
Ha ha. You should see the hill I have to climb to get to my village. But I do take your point.
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But we don't have Alps in the UK. I am not decrying Winter tyres. I am just saying that, in the UK, most drivers have no need for them (most but not all). In 50+ years of driving in the UK the only time I have ever been stymied in snow was due to the depth. Difficult to go anywhere when it is up past your front number plate!
Correct.
If most owners use to drive in flat roads, they can keep fitting their summer tires, as I saw last week. Winter or 4 season tires would perform better, but summer tires. can go.
We live at the south of Europe, usually summer time is hotter but winter season is cooler even nearby the sea.
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But we don't have Alps in the UK. I am not decrying Winter tyres. I am just saying that, in the UK, most drivers have no need for them (most but not all). In 50+ years of driving in the UK the only time I have ever been stymied in snow was due to the depth. Difficult to go anywhere when it is up past your front number plate!
Correct.
If most owners use to drive in flat roads, they can keep fitting their summer tires, as I saw last week. Winter or 4 season tires would perform better, but summer tires. can go.
We live at the south of Europe, usually summer time is hotter but winter season is cooler even nearby the sea.
The UK has the gulf stream to thank for its climate (not entirely but it's a major factor). It's amazing to think that we're on the same latitude as Quebec. They are currently experiencing -8 during the day and -16 overnight. Temperatures of -8 do occur in the UK but not very often and almost never during the day. Yay for the gulf stream 8)
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The further a place is from the sea the more extreme the climate the highs are higher and the lows lower. Notwithstanding the gulf stream we have a maritime climate in UK, with the highs and lows evened out by the balancing effect of the sea, the temperature of sea stays pretty stable all year round. The gulf stream has a big effect on west coast of Scotland and probably raises average UK temperature by about 5 deg C .
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The Clyde is 10° further north than the St Lawrence Seaway.
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Wonder if this guy uses winter tyres?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-47040584 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-47040584)
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The motorist was on the A9 Drunk ....
Fixed..
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He could not have been drunk, he was just issued with a fixed penalty. He was just stupid.