CVT gearbox worn bearing noise

[guest5813]

Hi.  I'm a new member. Hope I'm in the right section?
My 2011 Jazz CVT auto has developed a noise, rather like a worn wheel bearing but its coming from the gearbox. It only occurs when the car is moving (its completely quiet at idle in drive setting). Also it seems to disappear above around 25-20mph. Main dealership has looked at it and told me that they want to replace the whole gearbox at the cost of £9250!!!!  Honda has agreed to contribute £2500 towards it, but it would still cost me £7000 plus fitting which is more than the value of the car!  I have little understanding of the workings of the cvt box, but it seems to me that its something to do with the mechanism that engages the drive but I'm not sure what that is. Can anybody make any suggestions as to what it may be, and any options that don't involve scrapping a 4 year old car?  I'm still driving it as it drives perfectly in every way, but I am worried about the damage that may be caused if whatever it is suddenly goes whizz bang! Any suggestions will be gratefully received

[guest3042]

That's outrageous. Put it on Facebook and name and shame the dealership. That is sure to get a response, probably in your favour.

[guest1372]

You should really be in Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 > http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?board=48.0 but gearbox bearing wear is something earlier owners also talk about.

It seems a little early for a 2011 box to be failing, but some boxes are sensitive to fluid changes.

'Input shaft bearing' is a topic that has unfortunately been discussed a few times, but worry not, it isn't a £9k problem.
I suggest you search gearbox bearing on this forum to find a very good thread listing symptoms and resolution. It's a £hundreds problem, one that is resolved by good independent garages with little fuss.

The replacement bearings are easily obtained, gearbox specialists have done these many times, also my local salvage place does a Jazz CVT gearbox for £90+v. So all is not lost, but you will have to fork out a few hundred unless you are a very well equipped diyer.
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TG

[Eddie Honda]

'Input shaft bearing' is a topic that has unfortunately been discussed a few times, but worry not, it isn't a £9k problem.
I suggest you search gearbox bearing on this forum to find a very good thread listing symptoms and resolution. It's a £hundreds problem, one that is resolved by good independent garages with little fuss.

The above problem you mention TG is in relation to manual transmissions. My experience is that most indies would run a mile at pulling apart a CVT box. You'll get a good one to change one, but not peek inside.

CVT boxes might be cheapish for earlier cars (SWRA), but does the re-introduced CVT version not have a torque converter instead of a multi-plate start clutch? I'm not sure, as I've not been sniffing around one yet.

Even breakers don't know what they have in their hand. Take this: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131179363467 it looks more like an AMT (i-Shift) to me. This one on the other hand is the later one: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/321537492016 As you can see, it has the transmission code SE7A. If you peek under the front bumper, you should be able to catch a glimps of the serial sticker on the bottom of the transmission through the undertray on the front passenger side. Either way, a used SE7A is going to be in that ballpark for the readies.

I'm not sure what the labour time is to take one in and out. It's a little involved as the front suspension crossmember needs dropping down or something and the box pulling out from underneath.

I'd monitor the situation and see if it gets any worse, perhaps double-change the transmission fluid and failing that, chuck a second-hand box in should push come to shove.

[guest1372]

The above problem you mention TG is in relation to manual transmissions.

Fair point, on reflction this seems this is a more rare fault, unlike the manual bearings & early model CVT judder / fluid issues.

Just checked the current stock list and the only two CVT are 2007 & 2004, so no joy there.

There does not seem to be a service bulletin / extended warranty that covers this edition of the box.  You would have expected a £2500 contribution to cover this with change to spare.
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TG

[guest5589]

Hi.  I'm a new member. Hope I'm in the right section?
My 2011 Jazz CVT auto has developed a noise, rather like a worn wheel bearing but its coming from the gearbox. It only occurs when the car is moving (its completely quiet at idle in drive setting). Also it seems to disappear above around 25-20mph. Main dealership has looked at it and told me that they want to replace the whole gearbox at the cost of £9250!!!!  Honda has agreed to contribute £2500 towards it, but it would still cost me £7000 plus fitting which is more than the value of the car!  I have little understanding of the workings of the cvt box, but it seems to me that its something to do with the mechanism that engages the drive but I'm not sure what that is. Can anybody make any suggestions as to what it may be, and any options that don't involve scrapping a 4 year old car?  I'm still driving it as it drives perfectly in every way, but I am worried about the damage that may be caused if whatever it is suddenly goes whizz bang! Any suggestions will be gratefully received

That is bonkers! £7000+ fitting.. as the rest of the members are suggesting, you will be better off with an indie however before you do, get a second opinion from another Honda dealership. If all fails, then eBay might be your best bet.. £700 for a used box + labour will be 8x cheaper than the stupid quote that this stealership has given you. Don't go back to them as they are taking the mickey!

[guest1372]

Just came back from picking up 2nd set of alloys (with Bridgestone RE040s) at the local salvage place. I took them off a very tidy (apart from the large dent in the back) metallic dark grey 2007 CVT and gave the car a quick once over.

If anyone needs a Mk1 GD1 CVT gearbox, their rate is £120+v removed as they have deemed this car to be a 'premium vehicle' for some reason, although they also have a 2004 CVT gearbox for the standard fee of £90+v.

Although it does not solve the OP's problem, it may help someone else.
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TG

[RichardA]

Hi.  I'm a new member. Hope I'm in the right section?
My 2011 Jazz CVT auto has developed a noise, rather like a worn wheel bearing but its coming from the gearbox. It only occurs when the car is moving (its completely quiet at idle in drive setting). Also it seems to disappear above around 25-20mph. Main dealership has looked at it and told me that they want to replace the whole gearbox at the cost of £9250!!!!  Honda has agreed to contribute £2500 towards it, but it would still cost me £7000 plus fitting which is more than the value of the car!  I have little understanding of the workings of the cvt box, but it seems to me that its something to do with the mechanism that engages the drive but I'm not sure what that is. Can anybody make any suggestions as to what it may be, and any options that don't involve scrapping a 4 year old car?  I'm still driving it as it drives perfectly in every way, but I am worried about the damage that may be caused if whatever it is suddenly goes whizz bang! Any suggestions will be gratefully received

How many miles has the car covered? How long have you had the car? Full service from a Honda dealer? Any record of CVT fluid changes, if required? I'm interested because Honda have offered to contribute, presumably with little or no arm twisting from you.

As mentioned above I would get another quote from a Honda dealer and an independent, but I would think it [dealer price] would be within the same ballpark or else Honda UK would be surely asking questions and wouldn't have agreed to the contribution.

[olduser1]

 I have  not experienced that type of issue before on a Mk2 Jazz.
You could hunt down a auto transmission specialist in your area, take you Jazz to them & get their view.
FEDERATION OF AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION ENGINEERS: www.fedauto.co.uk
First off I would change the fluid in the g/box .

[guest5355]

Hi, it could be that the CVT Fluid needs changing and at the same time A full flush.
 I had a problem on my 2012 EX CVT and it turned out that the original supplying dealer, did not change the CVT fluid on the vehicles 2nd service, as per the service schedule.
 The Honda dealer that we purchased it from in March 2012, on the instructions from Honda UK carried out a Flush and Fluid change and that solved the problem.
 I had to take it back to the dealer 5 times to get it sorted out.  I live in Essex, the dealer is in Kent, the mileage for these return journeys was apx. 550 miles. via the A130--A127--M25--A20.
 Honda UK contributed towards the cost of fuel.