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Skyrider

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2017, 02:00:42 PM »
I live in a light traffic area, maybe urban use causes more wear.
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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2017, 04:00:26 PM »
It might be worthwhile having the steering geometry checked by a specialist, perhaps when you get the tyres changed. Will you be looking for Michelin ES which others have found to be good in both performance and longevity?
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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2017, 10:29:53 PM »
It might be worthwhile having the steering geometry checked by a specialist, perhaps when you get the tyres changed. Will you be looking for Michelin ES which others have found to be good in both performance and longevity?
Quite probably. They seem to be around £100 per tyre but then the Dunlops are around £90. Cheapest is £65 but I never buy the cheapest. Tyres are the only thing holding the car to the road so it's worth taking them seriously.

From looking at the tyres there's no scrubbing, the wear is symmetrical and there's no steering drift. I'm also getting pretty good economy. I can't currently see it being a tracking problem. Reading around it doesn't seem all that unusual. The rear wear is higher than I'd expect as well so I think it's just soft compound and somehow the tyres can't take the way I drive.

Much as I'm no speed freak I do take corners faster than a lot of drivers and when I move off I like to do so at a decent rate of acceleration (straight to 3,000 rpm to get out of the Atkinson cycle). Then again they don't experience much braking force as I consider using the brake pedal for anything except stopping to be the sign of a poor driver.

I'd concede that while my tyres don't have a violent life they perhaps don't have an easy life either. But normally I'd expect 15k miles out of a front set based on my previous Jazz. Either the Mk3 suspension is making wear worse or these tyres are soft. My driving is the same.
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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 04:01:16 PM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The EX just eats through those 16 inch tyres on the front, it is important to have the tracking as accurate as possible (they do NOT come from the dealers with ANY checks on this), also keep an eye on the pressures of the tyres. I also got just over 8,000 miles from my first pair!

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2017, 07:59:11 PM »
If the tyres for the 16" wheels are the same as for the MK2 Jazz, it's not just that they don't last long.  They are an unusual size, often not in stock at tyre fitters, never discounted and very expensive.  And you get a harsher ride as they are lower profile than the tyres for 15" wheels.  Crazy.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2017, 08:35:43 PM »
If the tyres for the 16" wheels are the same as for the MK2 Jazz, it's not just that they don't last long.  They are an unusual size, often not in stock at tyre fitters, never discounted and very expensive.  And you get a harsher ride as they are lower profile than the tyres for 15" wheels.  Crazy.
I think they might be. My Mk2 had an odd size of tyre but I was told it was an option. I bought that car pre-reg so didn't have much say in the spec.

But now it seems like they are a standard fit on the higher spec Jazz. I wonder why? The usual reason for reducing the profile is to improve handling but it seems an odd decision in this case. If they still sold a 'sport' version as they did with the Mk1 (which I owned) it would make more sense.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 08:57:00 PM »
Many of the manufacturers, not just Honda, subscribe to the philosophy that stepping up the range involves an increase in wheel size (which necessitates lower profile tyres in order to keep the perimeter the same). While bigger wheels may look more impressive, one benefit of this deluded policy is a worsening ride quality as there's less rubber to smooth out the bumps.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2017, 09:32:01 AM »
The lower profile tyres are to give the car a more upmarket sportier image - just like rear discs,  just examples of style over substance.  Lower profile tyres have stiffer sidewalls which mean suspension geometry has to by absolutely spot on to get even tyre wear,  also harsher ride and big bucks when you come to replace tyres.
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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2017, 10:34:04 AM »
Wot he ^ said + 1.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2017, 11:01:22 AM »
Many of the manufacturers, not just Honda, subscribe to the philosophy that stepping up the range involves an increase in wheel size (which necessitates lower profile tyres in order to keep the perimeter the same). While bigger wheels may look more impressive, one benefit of this deluded policy is a worsening ride quality as there's less rubber to smooth out the bumps.

Yes - and you can see some sense in this if you are selling a high performance version.

But, on the Jazz, it's just plain wrong given the demographic that buys the car and the purposes for which they buy it.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2017, 12:25:10 PM »
I also find the EX wheels difficult to clean.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 10:58:42 AM »
Interesting comments but to put my two penneth in, although mine is a MK2 EX when I had the Michelins fitted, I had ALL FOUR wheels alignment checked. The alignment was well out. My 16 inch Michelins after 10000 miles still had 6mm all round. No I am not a light footed creeper, the car has to move when I want it to.
Yes the 16 inch Michelins were a £100 a corner but given the comments re other makes it seems worth it and lastly when I posted about which wheel cleaner was the best as nothing seems to keep them clean, the advice was to give the wheels a thorough clean and then a good coat of wax. That was sometime back and when I wash the car the filth does come off very easily, leaving the wheels sparkling.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2017, 12:04:09 PM »
Maybe Honda are fitting particularly naff Dunlops these days? Usually it's just the grip that's poor but maybe this year it's grip and longevity.

We had Dunlop SP2030's on both our mk2's.  Both driven by women, but I'd say very 'normally' - neither are timid drivers.  Fronts lasted 16K miles on wife's car, and got to nearly 20K on daughters (I'd have expected the other way around based on how they drive).

I reckon the tyres are soft though - ours coped with 2009/10 and 10/11 winters with absolutely no issues.

On wife's car I put full winter Michelin Alpin's on (on 15" wheels that I bought) to run year round and it's interesting that they're lasting longer than the summer Dunlop's.

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2017, 03:31:03 PM »
So I just had a call from the garage servicing my car and they reckon the front tyre treads are getting a bit low. Down to 4mm. That's after about 8,000 miles  :o. The Honda Jazz does have a reputation for wearing the fronts a bit quick but 8k is terrible. And no, I'm no Speedy Gonzales. Quite the opposite really. I normally get over two years out of a set of front tyres.
For comparison I've just had my first service after 12,500 miles.  Fronts both 4.9mm, rears 6.4mm and 6.0mm

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Re: A tyre warning!
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2017, 04:49:57 PM »
Maybe Honda are fitting particularly naff Dunlops these days? Usually it's just the grip that's poor but maybe this year it's grip and longevity.

We had Dunlop SP2030's on both our mk2's.  Both driven by women, but I'd say very 'normally' - neither are timid drivers.  Fronts lasted 16K miles on wife's car, and got to nearly 20K on daughters (I'd have expected the other way around based on how they drive).

I reckon the tyres are soft though - ours coped with 2009/10 and 10/11 winters with absolutely no issues.

On wife's car I put full winter Michelin Alpin's on (on 15" wheels that I bought) to run year round and it's interesting that they're lasting longer than the summer Dunlop's.

You're not the first person to mention the abilities of the Dunlop 2030s in winter. I've seen it on other forums as well. We don't get much snow where we live but they do seem pretty capable for summer tyres.

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