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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: babyjazz on December 04, 2017, 02:08:07 PM
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Hiya all
I am looking for an aftermarket air cleaner element that will suit my little Jazz but I'm gobsmacked because it is not of the conventional 4 sided element. I tried asking around online suppliers and even K&N but none of them have any. I finally found a genuine Honda part from Cox Motor Parts and was quoted around £27 from them. Anyone with any experience where I can find a cheaper aftermarket model?
Please see attached photo - it has the markings PP-TD30K and ACE75 on it.
Thanks in advance x
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If the photograph is of your air filter I would say it doesn't need changed.
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Hi Jocko
Thanks, I actually used an air blower to clean it up a bit more just to be sure ;D
Just wanted to prepare for the future, probably by next service. ;)
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I use Eurocarparts.com
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Have found Opie oils to be a good source of most service parts at decent prices (and also oil - hence their name LOL).
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/
But that air filter of yours is a weird shape...
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Dont recognise the a/c from a Mk2 Jazz, is your car an import?
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It appears to be a Civic unit. Perhaps some enthusiast has fitted it as an upgrade, sometime in the past! It is a K&N part, as far as I can see. Perhaps one of the Civic owners will suggest a spares supplier.
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It appears to be a Civic unit. Perhaps some enthusiast has fitted it as an upgrade, sometime in the past! It is a K&N part, as far as I can see. Perhaps one of the Civic owners will suggest a spares supplier.
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/pv-139338-mahle-air-filter-lx2647-lx-2647-genuine-part-honda-civix-ix-viii-14-single.aspx
Filter size is (ignoring cut-off corner)
length 199mm
width 168mm
depth 46mm
https://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-2701-lookup-results.aspx?vehicleid=21514&variantlist=70944:0,90963:0,139338:0,134058:0,212150:1441199,213394:1454679,212689:1449549&yearFilter=2011
Update..
Actually having looked more closely - the Civic filter only has one angled corner, that has two ...........
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The Honda part number is 17220-RC7-E01 and it looks like there's no aftermarket part for this part. I came across the same question for this part on a German forum and they also didn't find any.
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Dont recognise the a/c from a Mk2 Jazz, is your car an import?
I don’t believe so, believe it was made in the UK. I read on the Wikipedia that “Production of the Jazz for European markets moved from Japan to Honda's UK plant in Swindon on 7 October 2009.”
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The Honda part number is 17220-RC7-E01 and it looks like there's no aftermarket part for this part. I came across the same question for this part on a German forum and they also didn't find any.
Thanks you. Any way to find out why some Mk2 models have this weird shaped filter? Mine is a 1.2 litre Stop Start model, Type GG5, Variant 4, Version 2. Not sure if this info is of any help! Perhaps it has to do with the stop start?
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Dont recognise the a/c from a Mk2 Jazz, is your car an import?
I don’t believe so, believe it was made in the UK. I read on the Wikipedia that “Production of the Jazz for European markets moved from Japan to Honda's UK plant in Swindon on 7 October 2009.”
Check your VIN against this list
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=5402.msg24278#msg24278
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Check your VIN against this list
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=5402.msg24278#msg24278
Thank you! I also checked https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=6544.msg28070#msg28070. Eddie Honda confirmed my VIN starting SHH was from the Swindon factory. ;)
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As I said earlier, it looks like the air cleaner (complete) has been swapped with one from a Civic. If that is the case you will have to buy the Civic filter element.
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I would recommend OPIE oils for parts as well as oil for your Jazz , you can wait nearer the time of your next service & buy a new filter. As regards a performance filter I have had one and notice very little difference apart from cleaning every 50k miles.
I would also take alook at Redex treatment if you Jazz has been running on unleaded try a plastic bottle of Redex in your tank, I buy from either Wilko's or Halfords they often have offers. I use Redex in customers petrol cars & Millers deisel additive in old & new deisel vehicles.One treatment every couple of years even better just before the MOT.
http://www.wilko.com/car-maintenance-products/redex-petrol-system-cleaner-4pk/invt/0427249 this is 1litre in 250ml x 4
or
http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/fuel-oil-additives/redex-petrol-injector-cleaner-500ml
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As I said earlier, it looks like the air cleaner (complete) has been swapped with one from a Civic. If that is the case you will have to buy the Civic filter element.
Hi Jocko, checked with Cox Motor & they confirmed it’s not for Civic but for Jazz. They were adamant a specific number of Mk2 Jazzes have this unique type.
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I guess with only a particular number of cars with this specific filter it is not cost-effective for companies to make an aftermarket product.
With no aftermarket alternative you have to go for the Honda brand. Cox motor parts have reasonable prices for Honda parts. And luckily you don't have to change the air filter each year. ;)
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checked with Cox Motor & they confirmed it’s not for Civic but for Jazz. They were adamant a specific number of Mk2 Jazzes have this unique type.
Chances are the two elements are the same, as the part number you quoted comes up as "Honda Civic" on Google. Take the element into Europarts or the like (I worked for TMS here in Scotland), and they will get a filter of the shelves and check the dimensions for you. We regularly did that for customers.
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As I said earlier, it looks like the air cleaner (complete) has been swapped with one from a Civic. If that is the case you will have to buy the Civic filter element.
Hi Jocko, checked with Cox Motor & they confirmed it’s not for Civic but for Jazz. They were adamant a specific number of Mk2 Jazzes have this unique type.
Maybe Honda had a 'glitch' in their supply chain and their main supplier of airbox mouldings was having production problems, or they decided to change suppliers to save a few pence and it didn't work out, or had to import airboxes from another country for a while, can't think of another reason that they would change design for a few models and then return to original filter shape.
As Jazzway says - you don't have to change filter every year, and if you have access to a compressed air supply (you said filter in your photo is so clean because you used compressed air to blow it through) I would just blow it through from the side that normally faces down in the car (blow the crud back out the way it came in) and use it again, most decent filters have a graded mesh which is coarser weave on the side that air gets sucked through first to take out larger lumps and then gets finer on the 'downstream' side - that is why they put angles on the filters so that you can't fit them upside down.
The attached PDF taken from a far eastern company suggests that this is a Jazz only part, I also get this impression from other websites.
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As Jazzway says - you don't have to change filter every year, and if you have access to a compressed air supply (you said filter in your photo is so clean because you used compressed air to blow it through) I would just blow it through from the side that normally faces down in the car (blow the crud back out the way it came in) and use it again, most decent filters have a graded mesh which is coarser weave on the side that air gets sucked through first to take out larger lumps and then gets finer on the 'downstream' side - that is why they put angles on the filters so that you can't fit them upside down.
Culzeean, thanks for the tip! I used an electric air duster to do that, you know the ones used for computers? Works a treat ;D
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I would also take alook at Redex treatment if you Jazz has been running on unleaded try a plastic bottle of Redex in your tank, I buy from either Wilko's or Halfords they often have offers. I use Redex in customers petrol cars & Millers deisel additive in old & new deisel vehicles. One treatment every couple of years even better just before the MOT.
Thanks for your invaluable advice, olduser1! I found an unused STP Fuel Injector cleaner (black plastic bottle) lying around in the garage (must've been Dad's) & added in my tank. Would that do the trick?
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That should be Ok its a similar product, I prefer Redex but STP is still a popular product range - see how the engine runs.
Just for info whats the mileage on the Jazz?
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Hi olduser1, it's just over 27k ;)
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Rather than use snakeoil products , an Italian tune up is free and works wonders. 6,000 rpm with a hot engine will clear your valves and EGR valve far better..over 20 miles or so..Great for emissions as well (especially for eevel deesels..:-)
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Rather than use snakeoil products , an Italian tune up is free and works wonders. 6,000 rpm with a hot engine will clear your valves and EGR valve far better..over 20 miles or so..Great for emissions as well (especially for eevel deesels..:-)
Italian tuneup will undoubtedly help EGR but won't get dinosaur juice lacquer out of fuel system or injectors. I use Redex in motorbikes, mower and car and especially in mower and bikes and since using it they start easily after winter layup and tick-over properly straight away rather than cutting out and spluttering into life. An Italian tune-up is good for CAT, EGR and will clear condensation out of exhaust and oil, also good for dirty diesel DPF, just blows all the crap filter has collected out of the exhaust anyway after carefully storing it for miles.
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Rather than use snakeoil products , an Italian tune up is free and works wonders. 6,000 rpm with a hot engine will clear your valves and EGR valve far better..over 20 miles or so.
Is this how I do it - put car in neutral and rev to 6000 rpm? For how long should I be revving? :o
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Rather than use snakeoil products , an Italian tune up is free and works wonders. 6,000 rpm with a hot engine will clear your valves and EGR valve far better..over 20 miles or so.
Is this how I do it - put car in neutral and rev to 6000 rpm? For how long should I be revving? :o
Don't rev car so high as 6000 when stationary, or for more time than you would need to overtake another vehicle, (and NEVER with a cold engine), take if for a motorway run and stay at 70 for 20/30 miles (about 3300rpm) is all you need, if you want to rev it a bit more try 70 in 4th for a bit.
Most cars that do local / low mileage never get north of 2,500 rpm and they suffer for it - you won't wear a Honda out by revving it - in fact it should be compulsory.
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For MOTs I take our 2003 Yaris D4D - which does an average journey length of 1.1 miles for a year!! - for a 25 mile drive and keep it in whichever gear enables it to stay above 3,000rpm. It not only clears the engine but heats up teh catalytic convertor and gets rid of all the rubbish..
It not, it fails the MOT on emissions.
With the Jazz I use S on the CVT once a week on dual carriageways and try to drive at least 5 miles at over 4,000 rpm.. Engine always runs better afterwards..