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BMWs gettings stolen without the keys
« on: April 30, 2012, 08:50:36 PM »
No, not a  :P take but a serious topic.

To cut a long story short (and it is fascinating reading if you have the time), some BMWs are being stolen by coding a blank key using a hand-held device plugged into the OBD port under the dashboard and starting up the vehicle. In some cases they are accessing the car without breaking glass.

I don't believe this problem is only limited to BMW - jump to page 9 of the below link and someone had their Civic stolen in the same way.

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 06:29:49 AM »
Reading through this, im glad my car isnt that new, but any with a coding system could surely be stolen this way? a mechanic im friends with was saying that he is considering starting to install tracking devices which work by a coding in the sim (im taking it it charges off the battery since it would be bolted somewhere completely out of sight) and the code it gives you can be pasted into google maps, tracking your car to where it currently is..would be fun to have this and have the car stolen...Think of the look on the car criminals faces when you turned up with a load of cops to get your car :)

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 07:14:51 AM »
In SA, car theft is part of organised crime and cars are stolen to order.  I reproduce here an article that appeared in Johannesburg's main newspaper in January 2012.  The Oriental Plaza is a very large shopping centre not in the best part of town and must have a carpark with 10 000 cars in it.  A spare OBD box will defect the current security system simply by swapping it


The Star 30 Jan 2012 - Two thieves tell how they steal cars

Some take one minute. Others take two. At tops it’s five minutes. And if they can’t steal it, they hijack it.

The going rate is anything from R3000 to R30 000 a car depending on what they steal.

And when it comes to hotspots, shopping malls are still their preference, offering a wide variety of cars to choose from.

Two Soweto car thieves spoke to The Star on condition of anonymity and revealed the ins and outs of the car theft industry.

Keith*, aged 33, is a serial car thief. Serving time for hijacking, he has stolen more than 100 vehicles in areas from Randburg to Melville.

“The Nissan 1400 bakkie and a Toyota bakkie,” said Keith, “take one minute to steal. A Golf takes two minutes and a Polo five minutes.”

But it depends on how you steal a car, he added.

One way is to bring your own computer box for the car. When cars don’t have computer boxes, a customised size eight Allen key will do.

The shorter end of the “L” shape is welded to a metal rod for the hand to rest on. The tip of the longer end is ground to a sharp point, flattened and then used to either unlock the car or start it.

“Golfs and Yarises are still in but the Toyota Fortuner is most popular. In fact 4x4s are in demand because they go over the border. You get good money for a 4x4 – between R15 000 and R20 000 on the spot.”

A Conquest is worth R3000 on the black market. The newer Toyota VVTI bakkie fetches R10 000.

For a Yaris and a Run X, Keith pocketed R7000 and R8000. A Golf 5 got him R25 000. A CitiGolf is worth R4000, unless it’s a Velocity or CitiRox model, which fetch between R6000 and R7000.

Keith’s haul would head for a scrapyard to be stripped for parts. The dealer, Keith said, wound make three times what he got by selling those parts separately.

For Thabo*, 25, who is not in jail, it’s different.

He specialises in Toyotas. And he works only on orders. A buyer calls and specifies what he wants. It’s his job to get it within two days.

His team will go to malls or to the suburbs. “We sit for an hour to see the situation,” he said.

Thabo’s role is to open and start the car.

“Two of us will approach the car we want. The third guy will sit in the car we came with.”

First Thabo forces the Allen key into the door lock to open the car. Then he uses the allen key to start the car. Sometimes he just strips off the ignition cover and “hot wires” the car by connecting the red and black wires together.

Both Keith and Thabo are unperturbed about alarms, tracking devices, car guards and police.

With tracking devices, each has his own method.

Keith would check the car himself for the device as they drive off, whereas Thabo drops the car off with an “expert” to locate the device.

“Security guards, car guards and petrol attendants are not a problem. Everyone needs money. If you give him R100 you can get away with that car,” Thabo says.

And their target areas?

“I often go to the Oriental Plaza in Fordsburg. We get most of the cars there, but Sunninghill and Randburg are easy to steal in. And Auckland Park, near the SABC, there are lots of cars that park in the street,” Thabo said.

* not their real names

-The Star


WHAT TO DO WHEN DRIVING:

-Make sure you are not being followed. This is particularly important after leaving a bank or shopping centre, as hijackers will often ‘shop’ there for their victims.

-If you have an electric gate, try not to pull up in front of it while you are waiting for it to open. If you do, hijackers can box you in by parking behind you.

-If you think you are being followed, perform four right turns before you go home. If the same vehicle is still behind you, go to the nearest police station.

-Clear all unnecessary foilage around your front gate and keep your front yard well lit. Dogs, circular security mirrors showing both sides of the wall and palisade fencing help to improve security.

-Lock your car doors when travelling.

-Tell someone your schedule so they can react if you don’t arrive within a reasonable time.

-Be wary of strangers standing at the gate. Hijackers sometimes pose as visitors trying to get hold of someone, and attack you as you pull up.

-When you arrive home, lock away your vehicle as soon as possible.

-If you have visitors, say your goodbyes inside your home and allow your guests to leave your property promptly.

-Maintain a gap between yourself and the car in front of you at an intersection, giving you an escape route in an emergency.

-Don’t allow yourself to be distracted at either the driver’s window or a passenger window.


*Tips courtesy of Tracker
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 10:29:43 AM »
Thanks for the tips Chrisc :) but i dont think us jazz owners are at much of a risk :) seems to be BMW are getting hit really badly atm around birmingham, but looking at it...those who have said on that forum about theirs getting stolen (who have mentioned dealerships) all seem to have got their cars from the same dealer group (dodgy employee could be causing the problems maybe by supplying the blank keys) either way it looks like a problem with bmw's security as one of the posts mentions the odd merc etc being stolen but nothing like the scale of bmw's (think our not as "premium" cars arent at much of a risk at all tbh)

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Re: BMWs gettings stolen without the keys
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM »
Googled this video showing how it is apparently done on a BMW....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmPfCFFkqQ&feature=youtu.be

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Re: BMWs gettings stolen without the keys
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2012, 12:24:22 PM »
Thats interesting...
As far as I know our Jazz/Fit needs a Second Key/already coded key to make a copy on the car.
It's no so simple as it seems with BMWs...
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 01:01:18 PM »
Thats interesting...
As far as I know our Jazz/Fit needs a Second Key/already coded key to make a copy on the car.
It's no so simple as it seems with BMWs...

interesting i hope this is the case :) be interesting to chase up honda find out if that is how its done (would put any worried honda owners minds at rest too)

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 04:15:05 PM »
Hondas are way down the list of cars that get stolen in SA.  There were 102 makes of cars and variants on the list and Honda as a make was 77th.  Right at the top was Toyota and second was BMW.

Since most cars get stolen to order, high-priced 4x4s and BMWs are the rage.  Range Rovers also fared badly.  This new Range Rover Evoque has the dubious distinction of being the most stolen marque for 2 months in a row
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 04:20:33 PM »
Thats interesting...
As far as I know our Jazz/Fit needs a Second Key/already coded key to make a copy on the car.
It's no so simple as it seems with BMWs...

No, not really.   The transponder reader we have at the locksmith can encode a key using the VIN read from the OBD port.  They did a Honda Civic R this week

Step 1:  Cut a key to match the spare and check it turns the lock
Step 2:  Read the VIN from the port and store the encrypted code
Step 3:  Take out the transponder chip from the key and insert into the reader
Step 4:  Connect the USB cable from the OBD reader to the chip reader, transfer the code
Step 5:  Press "write"
Step 6:  Test it. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2012, 06:53:28 PM »
Well but in this case it's more difficult because you must have the VIN and this special transponder/encoder to make the second key.

This makes things more difficult for bad intentioned people, because this equipment must be expensive and the person must know the procedure.

I'll do some more research about it, but what I said before is valid for GE only.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2012, 09:22:35 PM »
I heard years ago about a flame thrower device that can be used in South Africa to deter car thieves!

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2012, 01:35:18 AM »
Well but in this case it's more difficult because you must have the VIN and this special transponder/encoder to make the second key.

This makes things more difficult for bad intentioned people, because this equipment must be expensive and the person must know the procedure.

I'll do some more research about it, but what I said before is valid for GE only.

not really...the VIN number is in several places...and im sure if they have copied your key, popping the bonnet or getting it off the door wouldnt be too difficult for them (I havent checked but its on the frame for the drivers door as well as under the bonnet no? is on parents volvo..just never paid attention getting in and out the jazz)

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2012, 05:22:30 AM »
I heard years ago about a flame thrower device that can be used in South Africa to deter car thieves!

I remember seeing a demonstration on TV of a car fitted with this device, it was to deter carjackers.

It was the sort of device that Jeremy Clarkson and his co-presenters would appreciate, to see it in action was awesome!  :)

If the wind was in the wrong direction it would not do much good to the paintwork of your car.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2012, 04:20:32 PM »
You (anybody) can buy OBD readers off Trade-Tang's website in China.  Made especially for car-thieves...  About $70 or so.

The car flame-thrower consisted of two modified gas torches and were first mounted behind the front wheel of a 1980's series BMW318i.  They looked spectacular when set on and in theory should have deterred any prospective car-hijacker.

Unfortunately, in about 1998 or 1999, some guy waiting at the traffic lights took exception to the length of time the lights were staying red and turned on his flame-thrower.  He set 4 cars alight and killed two pedestrians, since he hit the lever so hard it jammed on and squirted flame for 4-5 metres for about 45 seconds.  After the trial where he was convicted of manslaughter, the devices were banned.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 07:28:30 AM »
This is the latest diagnostic tool from China.  Not only can it interrogate the OBD port, discover the VIN and key-codes, if it gets stuck it will connect to the Internet and update itself, and find solutions to the problem at hand.  Useful for diagnosing Mercedes Benz cars which have a higher degree of electronic protection.  Cost - US$110,00 FOB Shenzhen

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