Electric cars

[richardfrost]

If you told me that was a Mark 4 Jazz I would have believed you.

[Jocko]

If you told me that was a Mark 4 Jazz I would have believed you.

I agree. I was thrown by the Model 3 front treatment.

[culzean]

If you told me that was a Mark 4 Jazz I would have believed you.

Looks a bit more like a Fiesta to me

[Jocko]

You put the numbers into the computer and they tend to come up with the same result. Minor trim touches are what makes the difference.

[Jocko]

The worlds most powerful road legal production car has been announced at the Geneva Motor Show. The electric Pininfarina Battista produces the equivalent of 1900 bhp (around 1500 KW I would imagine), and does 0-62mph in less than two seconds, 186mph in less than 12 seconds, has a top speed of more than 250mph, and does 280 miles on one charge.
Wonder how long before some superstar wraps one round a city centre lamp post? Or how long it takes some journo to point out that you don't get 280 miles while trying out its performance??



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47418405

[richardfrost]

What a perfect alternative to HS2. Put it on rails, add a pantergraph and Bob's your uncle!

[Jocko]

They could give us all one and it would still work out cheaper!

[richardfrost]

I have been saying this for years Jocko. Obviously it is sarcasm. But it would be cheaper to build a dedicated hypercar lane down the M1 and supply a fleet of self driving Bugatti Veyrons and these things, for the nutters who absolutely have to get to London 20 minutes earlier than the rest of us.

[culzean]

The worlds most powerful road legal production car has been announced at the Geneva Motor Show. The electric Pininfarina Battista produces the equivalent of 1900 bhp (around 1500 KW I would imagine), and does 0-62mph in less than two seconds, 186mph in less than 12 seconds, has a top speed of more than 250mph, and does 280 miles on one charge.
Wonder how long before some superstar wraps one round a city centre lamp post? Or how long it takes some journo to point out that you don't get 280 miles while trying out its performance??

Wonder if they drive these at 50mph in the test to come up with a 280 mile range ?

[peteo48]

Saw a YouTube video a year or so back by an EV enthusiast and he reckoned that two thirds of the claimed range was a good working figure. So a 30 kwh Nissan Leaf claims 155 but 105 is a good working figure for what you'll get in real life. My mate who has a 24 kwh Nissan Leaf disputes this but then he does drive at 55 mph on the motorway and wears arctic gear in the winter rather than use the heater!

[culzean]

Saw a YouTube video a year or so back by an EV enthusiast and he reckoned that two thirds of the claimed range was a good working figure. So a 30 kwh Nissan Leaf claims 155 but 105 is a good working figure for what you'll get in real life. My mate who has a 24 kwh Nissan Leaf disputes this but then he does drive at 55 mph on the motorway and wears arctic gear in the winter rather than use the heater!

That fits in with the guy who waited to buy the new 2018 Leaf because of its promised 235mile range but he never got more than 150 miles to a charge,  and to add insult to injury he found that you could only use rapid charge once a day ( ? the car itself decided that it would not accept rapid charge and reduced charge rate,  apparently this is to protect the battery ) so rather than the promised 60 minute or so wait at charger he was there for 3 hours mid-journey - It was all over the newspapers - last I heard he was suing Nissan...

I would be miffed if I stopped on the motorway to fill my car up and found that the car had decided I could only put petrol in through a 0.5mm diameter hole 'to protect the fuel tank' LOL

[Jocko]

Wonder if they drive these at 50mph in the test to come up with a 280 mile range ?

I would imaging it would be the Worldwide harmonised light-duty vehicle test procedure, same as all the rest.

http://wltpfacts.eu/what-is-wltp-how-will-it-work/

Watching a video on the Jaguar I-PACE and it conditions the cabin temperature and heated seats for you, while it is drawing power from the mains, so you at least start out with a warm car. What you do after that is your choice.

Nissan shot themselves in the feet (both of them) with the Chargegate fiasco.

[culzean]

Some real life ranges for BEV, Tesla come out pretty badly.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6337871/New-test-reveals-far-electric-cars-REALLY-travel-charge.html

What will replace fuel and VAT revenue loss, one suggestion is 3000 miles a year free and then you get charged, mileage monitored by an onboard gizmo, there will soon be places spring up to 'reset your gizmo' for a small fee ....

( a bit like the 'mileage correction' services you can get for vehicles now )

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6319671/The-Government-turn-road-pricing-replace-28bn-lost-fuel-duty-revenue.html

[Jocko]

NEDC was always grossly over optimistic and Tesla S 75D was old technology with the small battery and dual motors. In fact it is no longer offered new. The latest, new tech vehicles, offer much better  range. Miles/kWh is a better indication of efficiency, which shows how rubbish the S 75D is.

[culzean]

NEDC was always grossly over optimistic and Tesla S 75D was old technology with the small battery and dual motors. In fact it is no longer offered new. The latest, new tech vehicles, offer much better  range. Miles/kWh is a better indication of efficiency, which shows how rubbish the S 75D is.

BEV ranges are still short compared to ICE vehicles,  so the fact that owners are reporting on average only getting 70% or less of claimed range is a big deal. I know the figures on ICE vehicles are a bit suspect for some makes but most manage to get around 85 / 90% of claimed MPG.  The other big deal is battery management,  the reason Nissan will not allow fast charges may be down to battery temperature - but as we know installing battery cooling will add size, weight and cost to already expensive vehicles....