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Re: Climate change.
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2019, 09:31:28 AM »

There was a section on the BBC News channel last night about the Murray and Darling rivers in Australia. There is virtually no water there any more, with the Murray no longer reaching the sea. The drought that SE Australia is suffering is partly to blame, but the greed of the large multinational cotton growers, taking every drop of water for their crops, and meaning that towns along the rivers are having to be supplied with bottled water, are the reason it is so bad. Corporate greed. Whether it be water in Australia, dams in Brazil, or vehicle emissions elsewhere, many of the worlds ills are down to corporate greed and the rampant pursuit of Capitalism.
I'm beginning to sound like a communist. I'll have to vote Labour next time!

It was the same when we were in Australia - but why anyone would want to grow thirsty crops like Cotton and Rice in the driest continent on the planet is beyond me.  Australia has always been in the habit of using boreholes and pumps to tap into the underground aquifers, but are removing the water faster than it gets replenished, and some of the water is so mineralised it is poisoning the soil and making it impossible to grow things anymore - for so called intelligent creature mankind is really just plain greedy and stooopid on a massive scale.

The Murray river used to contain massive fish like the Murray Cod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_cod that used to grow 6 foot in length,  but I doubt you would find one larger than a couple of foot long now. The northern and central sections of great barrier reef are turning into deserts,  some like to blame global warming but the run-off of silt ( due to de-forestation) and agricultural pesticides and fertilizers certainly don't help.
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2019, 10:01:19 AM »
The Murray river used to contain massive fish like the Murray Cod
They showed masses of dead fish rotting in the pools and a couple of locals were talking to camera while holding the corpses of huge fish.

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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2019, 01:22:35 PM »
It is a bizarre though that a planet which is largely covered by water will probably spend the next 100 years fighting for it!

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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2019, 02:01:29 PM »
It was the same when we were in Australia - but why anyone would want to grow thirsty crops like Cotton and Rice in the driest continent on the planet is beyond me.  Australia has always been in the habit of using boreholes and pumps to tap into the underground aquifers, but are removing the water faster than it gets replenished, and some of the water is so mineralised it is poisoning the soil and making it impossible to grow things anymore - for so called intelligent creature mankind is really just plain greedy and stooopid on a massive scale.
New Zealand is also mining groundwater in a big way in order to grow grass! Beef is one of the most water-consuming foods known to man https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/10/how-much-water-food-production-waste.
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2019, 06:52:02 AM »
It was on the news this morning, that FIAT/Chrysler have reached a financial agreement with Tesla, to pool their emission figures to avoid EU fines. By lumping in their dirty, emitting vehicles, with clean Tesla electric cars, this brings the overall emissions from the consortium inside allowed limits.
It is obscene that manufacturers are allowed to get away with such shenanigans.
Once again the Establishment works together to screw over the general population. What next? VW pooling with the North Sea wind farms. Is it any wonder I get annoyed.
If I win the Euromillions I won't buy a Tesla now, as they are part of a dirty vehicle grouping! Aye, chance would be a fine thing.

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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2019, 06:03:48 PM »
The biggest climate disaster are  either the Aral Sea or the areas of China where there have been so many pesticides used, that bees cannot survive and pollination is by human hand..

Both by ostensibly "socialist" governments..

And the biggest economic disaster where a country rich in natural resources has mismanaged things so much that its  citizens are leaving of a grand scale is also run by an ostensibly socialist government... (and if you don't know where it is you don't read the news)


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« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2019, 06:56:56 AM »
Today was the first time I saw any serious coverage of the Extinction Rebellion protests in London, on the BBC News. A "bad news week" for them, or has the BBC been asked to downplay it? I struggled to find it on the website too. And there has been nothing other than a mention of their protests in Edinburgh, despite almost 30 arrests. That is even more hidden on the BBC Scotland section of the website.
Are they worried it will put people off David Dimbleby's programme this week?

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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2019, 03:29:58 PM »
Today was the first time I saw any serious coverage of the Extinction Rebellion protests in London, on the BBC News. A "bad news week" for them, or has the BBC been asked to downplay it?

There are regular media blackouts on news topics in this country, and things happening elsewhere in the world. In the UK, most of this centres around protests, rioting or other social unrest, and certain political issues.

If you have access to european and middle eastern sat broadcasts, it is frankly amazing to see what doesn't manage to filter through the system here. Reports from Middle East war zones over the last couple of decades have been particularly sanitised for UK viewing.

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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2019, 05:02:06 PM »

There are regular media blackouts on news topics in this country, and things happening elsewhere in the world. In the UK, most of this centres around protests, rioting or other social unrest, and certain political issues.

If you have access to european and middle eastern sat broadcasts, it is frankly amazing to see what doesn't manage to filter through the system here. Reports from Middle East war zones over the last couple of decades have been particularly sanitised for UK viewing.

Thanks for this. It explains why our news is so wonky. I have felt for some time that our news is being filtered. Presumably these overseas stations also have internet feeds. Are there any you particularly recommend?

I have felt news "starvation" for many years.

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Re: Climate change.
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2019, 10:47:08 PM »
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/press-freedom-index-uk-ranking-reporters-without-borders-us-italy-a8875771.html

I have felt for some time that our news is being filtered. Presumably these overseas stations also have internet feeds. Are there any you particularly recommend?

I'm particularly interested in the live reporting of things in the world that are actually going on, rather than the many sites and pages you can find that relay all sorts of information that you cannot find elsewhere, but of the particular flavour which appeals to the target audience.

I'm not sure about internet feeds, certainly in this country the hidden news stories and live feeds tend to pop up first on the big social networking sites... but it's a minefield. Now the younger generation get much of their news this way, it's certainly more difficult now for Government to keep a lid on things, and often they only succeed in cutting off any publicity for a few days. Usually though, that's enough to assess and deal with any threat before it escalates, and of course allows subtle, and not so suble, manipulation of any subsequent reporting aimed at my generation and older.

I find that in times of trouble around the world, a flick around foreign language stations broadcast from areas afflicted can be very revealing, though of course some of these places have the tightest control on many broadcasters, and even tighter control of their internet. It's rare that anything broadcast in English and directed at the western world strays far from the establishment narrative.

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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2019, 07:52:48 AM »
Reuters is a good source, but not the Reuters UK site, if you can avoid it.

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Re: Climate change.
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2019, 06:27:05 PM »
Just watched BBC News this evening, I see there was no mention whatsoever of Theresa May being empty-chaired at the meeting of Greta Thunberg with party leaders in the UK.

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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2019, 08:05:25 AM »
I think she's got them sussed :-
"The UK is, however, very special. Not only for its mind-blowing historical carbon debt, but also for its current, very creative, carbon accounting.

Since 1990 the UK has achieved a 37% reduction of its territorial CO2 emissions, according to the Global Carbon Project.

And that does sound very impressive. But these numbers do not include emissions from aviation, shipping and those associated with imports and exports. If these numbers are included the reduction is around 10% since 1990 – or an an average of 0.4% a year, according to Tyndall Manchester.

And the main reason for this reduction is not a consequence of climate policies, but rather a 2001 EU directive on air quality that essentially forced the UK to close down its very old and extremely dirty coal power plants and replace them with less dirty gas power stations. And switching from one disastrous energy source to a slightly less disastrous one will of course result in a lowering of emissions."

"Did you hear what I just said? Is my English OK? Is the microphone on? Because I’m beginning to wonder."

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/23/greta-thunberg-full-speech-to-mps-you-did-not-act-in-time

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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2019, 08:15:41 AM »
So UK closes down coal fired stations while Germany continues to build new ones fired by dirty brown coal ( of which Germany has plenty ). The Germans quickly sussed that they had no oil or gas and renewables don't work as a large part of your power needs ( read an article by head of German energy ministry that as long as renewables are less than about 25% of your total they are OK, but the problem is every source of renewables needs 100% backup from reliable conventional sources ). Germany was never going to sacrifice its energy security on the altar of the green church, that is not possible for an industrial country...
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2019, 08:32:35 AM »
Yes. They are all at it. Things won't get any better till everybody is honest about it.

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