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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: I'm outta here :)
« Last post by John Ratsey on Today at 06:44:51 PM »
Nothing in the Toyota line-up ticks all the right boxes for me. The saloon cars sit a bit low on the road, the C-HR looks short of interior space (particularly for the rear seat) while the RAV4 is a bit big. However, I agree that Honda is struggling to match the engineering and overall quality.

Getting back to the original point of this thread that the first drive of the hybrid CR-V was disappointing, I wonder how much is due to fundamental hardware issues and how much is due to software and fine tuning of how the engine and motor work together.  If it's software then there's the potential to improve (although how much can be tweaked before invalidating the current fuel consumption testing).  I find the iMMD concept attractive.
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Honda & Other Honda Models / Re: Closure of Swindon Factory.
« Last post by Jazzdriver on Today at 06:38:33 PM »
They can probably get cars made more cheaply somewhere else, like Turkey.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by sparky Paul on Today at 06:14:40 PM »
We've got a classic case of confirmation bias on both sides. I have seen many remain voters (I voted remain) blaming every bit of bad news on Brexit and I have yet to see a leave voter accept that Brexit has played even the slightest part when production stops or some business closes.


We can't leave a big trading block without consequences. These may be outweighed by other advantages and who knows what the future holds but, come on guys, don't even try to suggest that Brexit wasn't at least one issue in the Honda closure.

Absolutely spot on.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by sparky Paul on Today at 06:13:11 PM »
It is fake news in relation to Brexit

https://blog.autokartz.com/japan-could-consolidate-to-three-automakers-by-2020/

Well, that's one opinion of course.

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The smaller automakers like Suzuki, Mazda, and Mitsubishi are challenged to make it on their own...

I'm not sure where they got their information, but this consolidation is certainly nothing new. GM have been involved with Suzuki since 1981, Mitsubishi are now part of the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance, having previous shared platforms with other companies including Volvo, Mazda have been long entwined with Ford, and although Toyota now wholly own Daihatsu, they have been a major shareholder since 1967.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by culzean on Today at 06:03:21 PM »
Honda set to close Swindon car plant

Japanese carmaker Honda set to announce closure of Swindon plant in 2022, putting 3,500 jobs at risk, sources say.
The Japanese carmaker will shut the plant in 2022 but retain its European headquarters in Bracknell, Berkshire.
Sources say Honda will make an announcement on the future of the company on Tuesday morning.
Honda declined to comment on the claims which were first reported by Sky News.
Last month Honda has said it would shut down its Swindon factory for six days in April as part of its preparations for any disruption caused post-Brexit.
The company said the move was to ensure it could adjust to "all possible outcomes caused by logistics and border issues".
The firm said it would help in recovering lost production if shipments of parts were held up at borders.
Last year, the senior vice-president of Honda Europe warned that if the UK left the EU without a deal, it would cost his company tens of millions of pounds.
Ian Howells told the BBC that quitting the bloc without an agreement would affect the carmaker's competitiveness in Europe.
He said the Japanese firm was preparing for a no-deal outcome, but had not discussed relocating its Swindon plant.
The firm builds its Civic model in the UK for the global market.

This quite poetic.

If you shut a factory, rather than putting jobs at risk, there are no jobs.

"Ian Howells told the BBC that quitting the bloc without an agreement would affect the carmaker's competitiveness in Europe."

No more than the quality of management or lack of.

Honda in Europe is one of the world's great lost opportunities.

"He said the Japanese firm was preparing for a no-deal outcome, but had not discussed relocating its Swindon plant."

Because they were closing down their European manufacturing?

"The firm builds its Civic model in the UK for the global market."

This indicates this is coming to the end of its model life in 2022.

The plant has run under capacity for years and there have been doubts over its viability even longer.

Perhaps blaming Brexit gives them cover.

Why else make the decision before deal/ no deal has been agreed or not?

Sounds a bit like Airbus threatening to move off one week then following the next with the decision to stop building the A380 anyway!

A company I used to work for built body sub-assemblies for Honda, they never asked for more than 30% of their 'predicted' volume,  this speaks 'volumes' about Honda operations in UK.

The A380 was always a bit of a white elephant anyway, a vanity project by Airbus. Impressive, but still a white elephant with the best bits made in UK ( wings, engines, landing gear and avionics ).
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by peteo48 on Today at 05:52:52 PM »
remoaners never let the facts get in the way of blaming Brexit.......

...and Brexiters seem to be completely blind to what's going on. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Brexit is the sole reason why these decisions are being made, but it's not helping the UK's cause.

By the way, do you still think Swindon closing is fake news?

We've got a classic case of confirmation bias on both sides. I have seen many remain voters (I voted remain) blaming every bit of bad news on Brexit and I have yet to see a leave voter accept that Brexit has played even the slightest part when production stops or some business closes.


We can't leave a big trading block without consequences. These may be outweighed by other advantages and who knows what the future holds but, come on guys, don't even try to suggest that Brexit wasn't at least one issue in the Honda closure.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by culzean on Today at 05:39:15 PM »
remoaners never let the facts get in the way of blaming Brexit.......




...and Brexiters seem to be completely blind to what's going on. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Brexit is the sole reason why these decisions are being made, but it's not helping the UK's cause.

By the way, do you still think Swindon closing is fake news?

It is fake news in relation to Brexit

https://blog.autokartz.com/japan-could-consolidate-to-three-automakers-by-2020/

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/motors/2019/01/02/worlds-biggest-car-makers-suffer-as-profits-plummet-in-2018/
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by sparky Paul on Today at 05:35:08 PM »
remoaners never let the facts get in the way of blaming Brexit.......

...and Brexiters seem to be completely blind to what's going on. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Brexit is the sole reason why these decisions are being made, but it's not helping the UK's cause.

By the way, do you still think Swindon closing is fake news?
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by culzean on Today at 05:20:54 PM »
Although Honda never liked Diesel and said emissions wise diesel was a dead end technology they were forced to offer them in Europe by short sighted government policies th st just looked at CO2 and not total emissions.  They are now suffering for their switch to diesel as the bottom has dropped out of the market. Worldwide Honda has suffered a 40% drop in profits, the whole worldwide car industry is in trouble - collapse of Chinese economy is to blame for strife in Germany and also Jaguar.  The Ford engine plant in Wales supplied engines to Jaguar and they don't need them any more as they have their own massive engine plant in Wolverhampton.    But remoaners never let the facts get in the way of blaming Brexit.......

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ford-motor-jaguarlandrover-britain/fords-welsh-engine-plant-to-lose-jlr-business-in-2020-idUKKCN1C318X

The latest EU deal with Japan has zero tariffs on imports of cars from Japan so their car makers are consolidating production in Japan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603
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