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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Auto stop and battery indicator
« Last post by peteo48 on Today at 01:58:43 PM »
The system is happiest when the vehicle is in daily use, even if only shortish journeys, and gets upset (confused) when use is less frequent even if the journeys are longer. In my experience it's more temperamental during winter months with lower temperatures. As my usage is usually fewer but longer trips I'm resigned to putting the battery on charge the day before in the hope and expectation that the auto-stop will then be happy about the battery condition.

I suspect that the Honda engineers have made the logic over-cautious in the quest for ensuring that the engine would never auto-stop and then hesitate, or fail, to restart which would infuriate customers a lot more than the engine not stopping when expected.

That is almost certainly covers my experience John. It doesn't get used every day and the issues are almost always in the cooler weather.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Auto stop and battery indicator
« Last post by Downsizer on Today at 01:22:43 PM »
You shock me when you say the price of a new battery is £170!  I paid the AA £70 for fitting a Yuasa replacement for my Mk 2 when I got stuck; is the battery for the Mk3 so very different?
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Auto stop and battery indicator
« Last post by orcadian on Today at 01:10:39 PM »
Thanks Peteo and John,
Yes I’ve come to accept that the Honda architecture designer boffins know better than we do - and would not want the wrath of customers whose cars won’t start in a queue on a motorway.  I also have a 2000 Supercharged Daimler and if the battery is less than fully charged it throws up all kinds of ‘fruit machine’ messages on the display indicating that there are multiple expensive faults which disappear almost immediately - all it needed was a ‘charge the damn battery’ message.

As I’ve said many times, I’m not really that bothered about the stop start, especially here in Orkney but wanted to be able to poke the dealer with a sharp stick if it needed a battery so early in its life with us.  We both still love the car though and I’ve now had all the wheels off to check everything the ‘Approved’ label should have thrown up.  I had to resort to a very large Thor rawhide hammer to get the wheels to come off to clean the alloy fur from the centre bosses - they had never been off - ever!  I’ve always had a chuckle to myself when I see ‘guaranteed used cars’ Yes they can guarantee they have been used!

What with the blank service book, an old jack included (which should not have been) which is stamped Audi VW and no initial V5 plus the paint chips not being attended to as agreed I really should have put it in the hands of Mother Honda - that Dealership is definitely off my list - their multi point check list is a farce.

Thanks again,
Ian
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by zzaj on Today at 12:54:04 PM »

BTW Have you thought of any advantages to leaving the EU.


17,410,742 million people did (52% of those who bothered to vote for what was thought, at the time, to be a lost cause. That's a 4% majority which is pretty significant).

Just to refresh people's memory:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by culzean on Today at 12:45:45 PM »

So why would we ever have a referendum on anything?

Good point. It was a stupid idea in the first place.

Does the same apply for the Scottish Devolution Referendum of 1997 and the Scottish Independence Referendum?

+1  Nice one !

so no more indyrefs allowed then,  great, although I think the English should be able to vote in the next one,  it would be 90% for Scotland leaving and 10% remain..

'Who will rid us of this troublesome country' - although I love the Scottish I hate their politicians ( and a lot of Scots probably do as well ).
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by culzean on Today at 12:42:34 PM »
Most people do pay by PAYE and can't really get out of paying the all pervading VAT ( an EU tax by the way  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax ).
In my opinion VAT is much better that the 'point of manufacture' purchase tax it replaced.  When the EU was the Common Market, it worked well.  That is what I voted to join all those years ago.

Ahhh the good old days,  if only it had remained as a common market it would have been great,  but the politicians at the time already knew ( as they launched a massive promotional campaign and project fear one at the same time ) that closer and closer political and economic integration was planned.  I did not even vote to join in 1975 as I was living overseas at the time.  Heath did not hold a referendum in 1972 as public opinion was something like 70/30% against joining, we were actually taken in illegally - something Harold Wilson realised and held a belated referendum to put the whole thing on a legal footing - ah,  the trust we have in our elected representatives - and how they let us down time and time again 'because they know better', it is easy to tell when a politician is lying, their lips are moving.

The reason why politicians from certain parties ( hint, Labour. Greens and Libdums ) keep pushing for ever lower voting age is to bring a new gullible impressionable group into the electorate that will believe their blatant lies at election time,  where older voter know that Labour will keep on spending until they run out of other peoples money, the Libdums are loonies and Greens are sniffing fairy dust.  It is said that voters get about 2% more likely to vote Conservative as they get older,  and with good reason - it is called experience.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by zzaj on Today at 12:39:45 PM »

So why would we ever have a referendum on anything?

Good point. It was a stupid idea in the first place.

Does the same apply for the Scottish Devolution Referendum of 1997 and the Scottish Independence Referendum?
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by d2d4j on Today at 12:33:40 PM »
Hi

The time for quoting any figures for/against is over. It finished when the referendum was held.

The government placed its trust and faith in the voters and the result was leave

No if and buts

The voters place their trust and faith in the politicians to uphold the referendum and leave

This appears not to be happening

Would I cut my throat to spite my nose - yes under curtain circumstances and I have previously done just that - why - because I have principles and only like to deal with genuine people

Would services lose out - not really because the level of services is not particularly good.

However, it would be easy to withhold taxes/paye as companies collect this and pay it over to hmrc. So they could hold the payment in trust for when referendum upheld and uk left eu.

Given the result, a large proportion of employers must have voted leave

However, it is irrelevant given that it would take the majority to do so, which would not happen but I wish it would, as it would save the expense of general elections and bring the politicians to their knees. I do not think that would take 2 years to happen, I guess a month or two of no tax income.

As I said, the vote has been cast, the result known and must be upheld

Many thanks

John
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: WTO rules?
« Last post by ColinS on Today at 12:08:41 PM »
Most people do pay by PAYE and can't really get out of paying the all pervading VAT ( an EU tax by the way  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax ).
In my opinion VAT is much better that the 'point of manufacture' purchase tax it replaced.  When the EU was the Common Market, it worked well.  That is what I voted to join all those years ago.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Auto stop and battery indicator
« Last post by John Ratsey on Today at 12:04:00 PM »
The system is happiest when the vehicle is in daily use, even if only shortish journeys, and gets upset (confused) when use is less frequent even if the journeys are longer. In my experience it's more temperamental during winter months with lower temperatures. As my usage is usually fewer but longer trips I'm resigned to putting the battery on charge the day before in the hope and expectation that the auto-stop will then be happy about the battery condition.

I suspect that the Honda engineers have made the logic over-cautious in the quest for ensuring that the engine would never auto-stop and then hesitate, or fail, to restart which would infuriate customers a lot more than the engine not stopping when expected.
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