Wheels and Tyres, Jazz 2012 1.4.. EX. CVT

[guest5355]

Hi, Advice Please.
Can I fit steel wheels and winter tyres to our recently purchased Jazz EX CVT (2012)
 Our Jazz has 16", ET53 wheels with  185-55-16--83H tyres.
 The wheels that I have from our old Renault are:
 Steel 4x100.. 6J 15. ET50 
 Tyres, 185-60-15  88T XL.
  Do I use the same wheel nuts that came with the car or should I buy ones for steel wheels.
  Thank you in advance for any advice.  Regards,  R
 
 ps. Strange question for May, but need to know if I have to sell the cat to pay for yet more wheels/tyres
 
 

[culzean]

This topic has been done to death on this forum, just search 'winter tyres'

here is an example -   

http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=6763.msg29558#msg29558

careful what wheels you use as spigot diameter and offset are very important, you will also find heaps of info on that on forum with a search for 'offset' or 'steel wheels' - I have used same wheel nuts for alloys and steel wheels, it is worth going to  mytyres.co.uk website who sell winter tyre / steel wheel packages.

[guest5355]

I am new to this forum  and am still trying to find my way round it. We only bought our Jazz about 6 weeks ago.
I am also very old and I don't understand all this technical stuff, which is why I asked the question.
I looked at the link and I still can't find the answer to my question, even though  you say my question Has Been Done To Death, in your words.
 Please try and understand the above before making that remark.
 I will not get into an on-line battle with you.
  Thank you for your time and my apologies to Other Forum Members if I cause offence.

[guest3250]

Its OK - it is not easy to take on board everything that has been said before, in fact impossible I would say.
I would advice caution and seek advice from a Honda specialist if you want to put actual different wheels on your car - also the insurance would need to know.
It would actually be safer and probably cheaper though not quite as convenient if you want winter tyres for winter to purchase some and have a garage swap them over for you just before the cold snap.

[guest4324]

Hi, you can officially use the following size steel wheel:
5.5J x 15".
4 x 100 (this means 4 nuts with 100mm spacing) with 56mm centre hole dimension. (Correct centre hole size is important to fit the hub properly).
ET45 (This is German Einpresstiefe which means the depth of the wheel).
Tyre size is 175/65R15.

The only other manufacturer I know of with this wheel size other than Honda is the BMW Mini One. I doubt the Renault wheels will be correct.

This is the only other wheel size which is approved by Honda for the GE Jazz other than your original 16" alloys, and both sizes can be fitted 100% no problem (obviously not mixing together!) despite what the odd person has commented. The two sizes are written in the handbook as well.

You can use the nuts from the alloys to fit the steel wheels, however don't fit steel wheel nuts to fit alloys, they are harder and can damage the alloys.

Hope this helps. 

p.s. Maybe Culzean wrote that because on the topic of all season tyres (currently one post further down) you seemed to know quite a lot about winter tyres and wheels thus not looking like a "non-technical" elderly person!

[culzean]

  Thank you for your time and my apologies to Other Forum Members if I cause offence.

Sorry if reply came across as a bit curt, I have had loads of flak in the past about tyre sizes and winter tyres, about fitting narrower steel wheels etc.

The search function on this site works pretty well and a few key words will normally drag up information previously posted as there isn't much that hasn't been covered about specification of Jazz wheels and suitable offset (ET = offset of centreline of rim to mounting face of wheel) PCD (pitch circle diameter) of stud holes and centre location spigot size (this has to be proper diameter to fit snugly over boss on the hub to make wheel run true and take some of the load off the studs) - I would be very surprised if Renault wheels fitted a Jazz

[bill ericay]

See here for compatibility chart http://www.wheelfitment.eu/car/Honda/Jazz%20(2008%20-%20).html
Sometimes google is your friend.

[guest5355]

  Thank you for your time and my apologies to Other Forum Members if I cause offence.

Sorry if reply came across as a bit curt, I have had loads of flak in the past about tyre sizes and winter tyres, about fitting narrower steel wheels etc.

The search function on this site works pretty well and a few key words will normally drag up information previously posted as there isn't much that hasn't been covered about specification of Jazz wheels and suitable offset (ET = offset of centreline of rim to mounting face of wheel) PCD (pitch circle diameter) of stud holes and centre location spigot size (this has to be proper diameter to fit snugly over boss on the hub to make wheel run true and take some of the load off the studs) - I would be very surprised if Renault wheels fitted a Jazz

Hi A Big Ta! for your reply. what confuses me is that the alloy wheels that come with the EX  are, off-set 53 (16" [/b]wheel)  but the off-set for the steel wheels is 45 (15" wheel). I had no idea that the Spigot/Boss/ Hub thingy had to match.
 However my Dearest Wife (spelt with 3 F's) had made my mind up for me by stating that if I think that she is going to offer any sympathy or understanding when I complain about the Pain that I'm in after I change the wheels over in autumn and spring, I should return to my own Galaxy for sympathy as I'm an Old codger not a whippersnapper anymore nor have I been for many  years.....  I shall now retire to my shed and have a big private whinge!

[guest5355]

  Thank you for your time and my apologies to Other Forum Members if I cause offence.

Sorry if reply came across as a bit curt, I have had loads of flak in the past about tyre sizes and winter tyres, about fitting narrower steel wheels etc.

The search function on this site works pretty well and a few key words will normally drag up information previously posted as there isn't much that hasn't been covered about specification of Jazz wheels and suitable offset (ET = offset of centreline of rim to mounting face of wheel) PCD (pitch circle diameter) of stud holes and centre location spigot size (this has to be proper diameter to fit snugly over boss on the hub to make wheel run true and take some of the load off the studs) - I would be very surprised if Renault wheels fitted a Jazz

Hi A Big Ta! for your reply. what confuses me is that the alloy wheels that come with the EX  are, off-set 53 (16" [/b]wheel)  but the off-set for the steel wheels is 45 (15" wheel). I had no idea that the Spigot/Boss/ Hub thingy had to match.
 However my Dearest Wife (spelt with 3 F's) had made my mind up for me by stating that if I think that she is going to offer any sympathy or understanding when I complain about the Pain that I'm in after I change the wheels over in autumn and spring, I should return to my own Galaxy for sympathy as I'm an Old codger not a whippersnapper anymore nor have I been for many  years.....  I shall now retire to my shed and have a big private whinge!


Sorry I forgot to say that the Duchess of Never-Wrong has decreed that I should have winter/snow tyres fitted at the local tyre depot and then changed back in the spring. ----------------Yes Dear!!!!!

[Defender]

Hi there,
I have used 15" steel wheels and winter tyres from a (BMW) MINI that I owned previously , for the winter on my Jazz until last winter I got a set of Honda 15" alloys with winter tyres. The steel MINI wheels are exactly same as the Honda Steel wheels.
As long as the dimensions are the same you won't have a problem, the ET is different from the larger alloy wheel as the wheel is also a different width.

[culzean]

Hi there,
I have used 15" steel wheels and winter tyres from a (BMW) MINI that I owned previously , for the winter on my Jazz until last winter I got a set of Honda 15" alloys with winter tyres. The steel MINI wheels are exactly same as the Honda Steel wheels.
As long as the dimensions are the same you won't have a problem, the ET is different from the larger alloy wheel as the wheel is also a different width.

http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=6763.msg29587#msg29587

There is a photo of tyre information plate from drivers door 'B' pillar in this link - this (and the handbook) shows tyre combinations that can be used on the vehicle,  also Defender is correct as the ET is the distance from centre of rim to face of hub mounting face of wheel,  as the rim gets wider the ET changes to keep centre of tyre in correct place relative to hub face. 

[Defender]

I quite like swapping my wheels over twice a year as it gives me a chance to look at the wheels and tyres, plan replacements in good time and also check the brake discs and pads for wear etc. 
Having done so this year I have ordered the discs and pads.

[culzean]

I tried steel wheels with Nokian winter tyres last winter on my wifes GE Si  and although we had only limited amount of snow the difference between the winter tyres on the Jazz and the Michelin ES+ on my Civic was astounding,  Jazz behaved under braking, steering and accelerating as though on a dry road.  Can definitely recommend Winter tyres.

Originally bought winter tyres so my wife could have a full size spare - winter tyre in summer and summer tyre in winter,  but glad I did as it has opened my eyes to astounding difference between dedicated winter and summer tyres.

[Defender]

In the UK winter tyres are misunderstood, what we get here are cold weather tyres with a Snow rating, the snowflake in a triangle, theyhave a more open tread pattern, sipes that help to clear water and grip on slippery surfaces and have a compound that work better at temperatures of 7 degrees C and lower.
The Scandinavian/Nordic counties get proper winter tyres with Mud & Snow (M&S) rating and usually are studable, the tread pattern is more like and old style town & country or a rally gravel tyre.
I'm a user of cold weather tyres and probably do more miles on them than the ordinary summer tyres as my motorcycle is my main commuter from early April to the end of October.

[guest4324]

I think you should find that most winter tyres available are M and S rated these days. This is standard in all Europe and are not just for tyres which can be studded in Scandinavia. If you check for example reifendirekt.com in Germany and search winterreifen you will see the tread pattern and see they are all M and S rated. I don't know if the UK is getting different tyres to the rest of us but you shouldn't be!

Just to highlight another point, the Swiss national breakdown service TCS absolutely recommend against fitting all-season tyres due to a big compromise on their benefit in winter or summer.