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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Honda Jazz Mk1 FAQ => Topic started by: guest431 on December 08, 2007, 09:11:33 PM
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1.4 DSI AUTO 04 PLATE ….when i stop at lights and take off again it goes for a second then kind of judders for about half a second then is okay….also when i take my foot off the acc pedal it seems to slow down quite a lot …IS THIS NORMAL ?
checked level of atf it seems fine but really light in colour almost like cooking oil? all my other autos have been a dark red colour ….any help please
Note by RichardA:
I have had confirmation from Honda (as of July 2012) that Honda offer a 7 year warranty on the CVT judder meaning that the repair is free of charge at a Honda dealer (in the UK at least).
Do not take your Jazz to a gearbox specialist without talking to your Honda dealer!
If you car is over 7 years you could still try your luck - they can only say no! :)
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by the way love the car it is awesome apart from these worries ?
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Hi Wetclio.
About the only things that you can check on the auto box is the level and quality of the fluid - as you have done this and all seems OK then your only option is a quick trip to your local auto box expert - they should check it out free for you…
Hesitation with auto transmissions is often caused by a slight misfire in the engine and is difficult to identify, so it is worth replacing the spark plugs if they are coming towards the end of their 25k mile lifespan, (there are 8 of them) also the famous EGR valve in earlier posts might give you similar symptoms.
Revving the engine in neutral might give the game away, but the engine is more likely to misfire under load conditions - so this would only be a guide.
Hope this helps.
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went to an autobox specialist and he said he could feel the judder but all he said he could do is replace the ATF in the box….what worries me is the violent/quick slow down with my foot off the accelerator should it slow down this quick with this gearbox (i was thinking engine braking)inside the box …any help would be great ….many thanks
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it feels like the brakes are on !
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If the brakes are on to produce this effect they would be getting very hot after a short period - a kind MOT tester would easily be able to put it on the brake tester and see if they are binding… or you could try on a slight slope in neutral - it should roll easily.
It sounds like you didn’t find a particularly helpful gearbox specialist.
Though I don’t often recommend it - a dealer might be your only option to get a definitive answer …..
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Interesting. I am experiencing a similar problem. 3 weeks after my Honda’s 50000 mile service (the so-called biggie), my 54 plate Jazz auto now conks out when idling. Basically, it conks out anything below around 1200 revs. It also judders a bit on acceleration and is acting very strange. I’ve read that this could be a few things on a number of forums but not specifically about a Jazz. My father says he reckons this has something to do with pipes leading in and out of the air filter coming loose but I’ve yet to check as the weather has been rather inclement. I’ll let you know how I get on. Anyone else got any ideas!?
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If the atf has be changed and the judder has come back it could be a problem with the start clutch within the gear box. The same has happened to mine so i contacted my local dealer and they told me about the start clutch.Its off to be replaced next week. hope this helps. trev
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In this weeks Honest John’s column in the D Telegraph a reader from NZ commented that CVT transmissions were failing around 60k
A quick check on the mtce schedule for Jazz CVT states change the fluid with ATF Z1 at
80,000 km (48,000 miles) or 5 years
A further search on Google shows Honda offered two oils see below
any suggestions , or better still anyone had the CVT fluid changed ?
Local Honda agent wanted £7.00 per litre for Z1 [ plus VAT }
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Dealer’s all confirm the oil for the Jazz Auto is the ATF Z1
NB this has now changed see the latest posts
only use CVT oil in your jazz Auto - CVT
it all makes sense now !
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CAREFUL!!!!
I’ve owned two CVT-7 Jazz’s and I can tell you right now without any shadow of a doubt ATF-Z1 is totally the wrong oil for your Jazz CVT.
The confusion is that in your owner’s manual it will say that ATF-Z1 should be used and may be Dextron III if ATF-Z1 is unavailable. However this is now incorrect.
Honda released a Worldwide product update (PDU) that informed all dealers, and service depots to use only Honda CVT-F (Honda part number (4 litres) 0826099904HE) in all CVT transmissions in Insight, Civic IMA, HRV, and JAZZ.
ATF-Z1 should only be used in conventional, i.e. non-CVT, automatic transmissions. It is highly likely that your dealer (in the UK) will not know this. The two Honda dealers I use did not know and I had a hard time convincing them until they find out about the HONDA product update notice!
If you call HONDA UK’s customer service line they will tell you that there is only one transmission oil suitable for the Jazz CVT-7 - Honda CVT-F. There is currently (March 2008) no oil produced by another manufacturer that Honda have qualified as being an equivallent to CVT-F.
If your dealer has replaced your CVT transmission oil with ATF-Z1 get it changed immediately! It will eventually damage your CVT transmission if used long term.
I know it is very difficult to tell a service manager his job but you HAVE to in the case of UK Honda Dealers with respect to the correct CVT transmission oil to use.
If you are having your transmission oil changed, explicitly say that you wish the transmission filled with CVT-F and NOT ATF-Z1 (or equivallent). Also since CVT-F comes in 4 litre bottles, ask to get the remainder (0.8 litres) so you can “use it top-up”. That way you know it’s correct.
If you’re thinking of buying a Jazz CVT-7 that has travelled more than 50K miles, check the colour of the transmission oil (yellow dipstick, front right-hand side). ATF-Z1 is a very red colour. CVT-F is a golden-yellow with a tinge of red.
Hope all this helps you fellow Jazz CVT-7 drivers!
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Well I have a ‘07? model and I checked the manual and it clearly states ‘Use Honda CVT fluid’
No mention of ATF-Z1 or dexron III
CVT requires CVT fluid - SIMPLE
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Hi, I had an issue with my CVT on my Jazz and the dealer has replaced the oil with the correct one as detailed by dunkv. I just checked the service worksheet and they used the new CVT-F oil. They said if it didn’t cure the judder from the transmission they would work with me to pin down Honda on a warranty claim. Hence I think my dealer knew all about this. It was Stratstone Honda in Bradford.
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Lately my jazz has starting juddering when moving away from standing position.
Initially I thought tyres were slipping. But with new tyres all round still get the same.
As there’s no clutch on automatics I’m now wondering how bad this is going to be!, any one had similar problems?
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Feeling a bit lonely here!.
Has no one any suggestions on what might be going on with an automatic which judders on power application from a standing start?.
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Hi Smartz.
Hate for you to feel lonely - Though I’m no Auto specialist there is obviously not one handy so here’s my 2p worth ….
Auto boxes do have clutches, though they are normally in the form of ‘bands’ - without a clutch of some form you would not be able to stand still with the engine running…
About the only thing you (or the general motor trade) can check on the auto boxes is that they are filled with the correct fluid to te prescribed level.
As you have tried tyres, the only other ‘external’ thing you can check is the engine/gearbox mountings for wear and security.
Some of the earlier autos were driven by a chain between the engine and gearbox - these were prone to jumping teeth under stress - I doubt this is the case on yours though ..
If all those are OK then it is off to the nearest auto transmission specialist.
Good luck.
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You would think a CVT system would use CVT oil..rocket science....brain surgery, etc, etc
How on earth dealers could mess that up...and miss any product update issued by Honda.
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see this link
http://www.hondafitjazz.com/problems.htm
CVT malfunctions are a common problem in Jazz.
At earlier Honda maintenance manuals, recommended CVT oil was ATF-Z1. The same oil also used in conventional auto transmissions.
But now Honda wants dealers to use CVTF (CVT Fluid) specially designed for CVT transmissions. I recommend pre 2007 Jazz/Fit owners to get their CVT oils changed ASAP.
Do not wait 80.000 km as indicated at the manual.
So now we all know the correct oil, hope all the uk dealers read Honda news/updates.
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Carried out my own CVT oil change today just to be on the safe side, really is a simple DIY job, just undo the square key bolt (use the 3/8" square on the socket) near the front of the transmission to drain and then re-fill via the dipstick hole making sure you fill between the 'COLD' mark on the dipstick (approx. 3.2litres). Thumbs up to my local Honda dealer in Ascot who were aware that I needed CVT-F oil rather than the conventional ATF type.
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After my last posting, I've just gone through that nervous time getting my CVT oil changed. This time the garage new perfectly about CVT-F and everything was done as it should be.
It's still worth making clear when you book your car in for a CVT oil change that it's CVT-F oil that's going to be used.
With my own driving of CVTs, I've noticed a definite feeling of transmission "grip" after fifty or so miles after the change. I don't mean here that I'm racing around, but rather on inclines or under engine-braking the tranmission feels more sensitive than prior to the change.
So it would seem the "F" part of CVT-F's name meaning "friction enhancers" seems to be correct! Or it might be wishful thinking on my part.
Happy Jazzing :) fellow CVT-7-ers
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My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.
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My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.
Having raised this issue last year, step1 check the level and colour of the oil in your vehicle,old oil is dark red or brown or ask the dealer to check and show you the oil is definitely pale red in colour.
Step2 depends on result above - I have now changed the transmission oil on both our Jazz CVt's to CVT F now sold by Honda dealers in 4litre containers . Happy days again....
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When I purchase 4 litres of CVT-F oil from my Honda dealer, I'd noticed the colour was also red (certainly no hint of yellow in it). Anyway when I'd proceeded to change the oil I'd noticed the original oil that came out my car was also the same colour (04 model) so I'd wondered if I had the correct oil anyway but changed it anyway for peace of mind.
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Spoke to Honda customer services 30th June and they advise me they ..know nothing about CVT oil problems and added there is no recall valid. What the heck is going on?
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Hi, I've just registered with this site, my 2004 1.4i Jazz automatic has developed a rumbling/vibration from the front wheels when the power is applied with the steering wheel turned is this a possible CVT problem that any one else has experienced?
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Sounds like a drive shaft bearing problem but that's a bit of a guess. If its still under warranty take the car back pronto and complain like mad. If not Honda drive shafts ain't cheap.'
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My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.
fwiw, I bought my Chinese made car in December 2007. It has a black rubber bung fitted midway along the length of the dipstick with 'CVTF' carved into it. The colour of the oil on the end of the dipstick looks clear to me with a tinge of red.
A friend owns a '06' plate 2006 Japanese made Jazz. He noted his dipstick had 'ATF' marked on it. But when he examined the colour of the gear oil, it looked like CVTF oil.
He spoke to the head workshop guy at his local supplying dealer in Essex. Here is an edited extract of the response to my friend's questions:
"The judder issue they have seen have all been on 2002/2003 early Jazz - a flush ALWAYS solves the problem - no strip has ever been needed. i.e. the problem never returns after a flush. His view was if the car has never had problems then leave it."
"Both ATF-Z1 and CVTF oils are red in colour - you can't tell the difference between the two."
"You can replace ATF oil with CVTF oil without need of an extra flush if you are changing the oil at the regular service interval - 75k miles (6 years) as they are the same grade."
"And finally, I gave him my chassis number which he put into his workshop software, and it told him that the car will have CVT-F3 (yes, F3) oil in the gearbox. So, it does seem I have CVT-F oil, despite the ATF printed on the dipstick bung."
"As an afterthought, just to prove you can never win, he also said they have had one or two issues with judder with the NEW CVT-F oil!! Dunno if it was coincidental, but I presume it was with older cars perhaps."
Note that 75k miles/5 years change interval was quoted in the conversation, and yet my 2006 printed service log book supplied with my UK 2007 Jazz quotes 50k miles/5 years. (The early 2007 DVD based Honda workshop manual quotes 50k miles/4 years for European models.....)
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Someone did an earlier post about this but I thought it best to start a new thread.
I have an 05 1.4SE CVT auto.
It had a recall recently to deal with a handbrake problem. When test driving afterwards it was noticed that the car juddered slightly as it pulled away. I was going to mention it at the next service. This confirmed a gearbox problem known by Honda and is connected with the fluid used in the CVT gearbox for my model. Honda have extended warranty on this model to 7 years to deal with this gearbox issue. They carried out a CVT fluid flush and the car no longer judders. They had it back to test it. If the flush had not resolved the problem they would have given the gearbox a complete overhaul, all under the extended warranty.
So if you have a judder, get it checked soon. Hope this helps.
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Hi Fido
Thank you for your post and the info given. Do you happen to know if there is any official source [website or published article] that I can quote to my local Honda dealership about this problem as I seem now to be getting this judder when I pull away, especially uphill.
Regards
Peter in Devon
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Peter, the most 'official' source about this problem would be either us here or the Honest John page:
http://honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/index.htm?md=556
Honda did (still do?) have a recall check on their website - just enter your VIN number - but it may only display information about recalls (which this problem isnt).
I doubt you will have problems getting the dealer to sort it - it is a common problem.
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Many thanks, Richard, I will contact the dealer. Although a 2005 model, the car was sold to me with the benefit of a Honda twelve month warranty and I would hope any remedial work would be done under that warranty. Or am I being naive?
Peter in Devon
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I have a 2005 Jazz auto 1.4. Like Fido I have have been noticing an increasing amount of 'judder' and a grinding noise as the car moved from a stationary position. This started about 2 months ago. Prior to that I have also been noticing that as the car was engaged from neutral to either drive or reverse, there was a pause before the car moved. This 'pause' became longer in time. After reading Fido's post I when to the dealer who booked the car.I had to ask for it to be done under warranty. (This was not offered to me as a recall. I has to ask), The car has just come back this afternoon and it drives as it was when new. No delay in engaging gears, no noise, no judder. I wonder what they have done!!!
However it came back with a list of several things wrong. Front bake pads are 90% worn (after 30,000miles) front disks need replacing, rear brake pads will need replacing soon and one of the ''bearings'' on the front suspension need replacing as there is excessive movement.
Otherwise I have had no trouble with the car.
:D
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Just noticed these posts. I cannot believe how good our Jazz now is after my judder was sorted out. It really is handling as well as it has ever done.
The work was described as a CVT fluid flush.
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Hi Fido
Thank you for your e-mail. I tried replying to you directly but I don't think the reply was sent. Just to keep you and everyone else up to date I am taking my car in tomorrow, Saturday, morning for a "diagnostic check" and would then expect to book it in for remedial work some time next week. I am hoping that all that will be required is a change of CVT fluid and that this will be done free of charge under the extended transmission warranty. I will report back next week how I get on.
Cheers
Peter in Devon
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Hi
I took my car in Saturday morning to have it checked out for the dreaded judder and it is now booked in for next week. Apparently it needs to have a new start clutch fitted which the dealer is going to do [and, of course, replace the CVT fluid] under the warranty. It seems as if I have got a result there and I will write again next week and let you know how the car is after the work. Incidentally the dealer is Rowes Honda of Weston Mill, Plymouth who so far have been very helpful and efficient in both the purchase and now with this judder problem.
Peter in Devon
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I have also noticed a delay when selecting Drive before it engages, but only when the engine / transmission is cold. I do not have any judder on my 56 reg 1.4 SE CVT. Is it worth a trip to the dealer to get it checked? A service is not due until November.
Does anyone know when Honda started using the CVT-F fluid on the production line, I wonder if it is already in my car.
Peter,
I also use Rowes Honda in Plymouth and so far I have only had to take my car in for servicing but I get a good impression.
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If its under warranty then its worth them checking it out
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Hi
I picked my car up from Rowes Honda last night after they had had it for two days to work on the CVT [for judder on take off]. It does seem to be OK now but I am glad the work was done under the warranty as the cost would have been horrendous if I had paid for it. The only thing now since I got it back, the 'one shot' function on the drivers window does not work. Certainly it winds up and down but only if you keep your finger on the button. I would guess that Rowes forgot to re-program it when they put the car back together and re-connected the battery. Anyone one know of a DIY fix for this or do I have to take it back to be connected to their computer?
Best wishes
Peter in Devon
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To fix the window
1. Start the engine. Push down on the drivers window switch until the window is fully open.
2. Pull back on the drivers window switch to close the window completely and hold the switch for a further second.
This should sort it
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Jazzy B
Many thanks for the information. I just tried what you suggested and the window lifter works perfectly.
I'm off on holiday in the Jazz on Wednesday to Wales so this will be the first long trip. I'm really looking forward to it.
Peter in Devon
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Hi
I picked my car up from Rowes Honda last night after they had had it for two days to work on the CVT [for judder on take off]. It does seem to be OK now but I am glad the work was done under the warranty as the cost would have been horrendous if I had paid for it.
Peter in Devon
Peter did the dealer say what the issue was with the CVT? I tired to post this question but I seems to have been logged to another thread.... Phil.
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Hi Phil
Sorry to have been so long replying but have only just got back from holiday. The part that the dealer replaced was, I believe, the 'starter clutch'. It makes sense that this is what could have caused the juddering as although the car is an automatic it must still have a clutch to stop the engine from stalling when you stop and patently it was this same clutch that was not taking up smoothly when starting off. I am glad to be able to report that the judder has now gone and. as another poster mentioned, the car seems much smoother and more responsive now.
On a more general note, Jazz performed well on our long motorway trips to Monmouthshire and gave us a comfortable, relaxed drive with a reported fuel consumption of 48 to 50 mpg for the journeys. Not bad for an automatic! The only discomfort we did feel was when we arrived back home the rather firm suspension showed up just how diabolically badly maintained the Devon roads are compared to other counties we have driven in.
Peter in Devon
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My 52 CVT went to the dealer this week with a few problems.
Firstly I had the box flushed out and this has cured the vibration when pulling away (1500-2000 revs ?)The next day I had all the plugs changed to cure engine vibration /pinking when under acceleration. I originally thought that this was EGR as I had it replaced after 2-3 years and it felt like the same problem returning again but they blanked it off and there was no difference .Now what is interesting is that the dealer did the CVT flush out/fluid change FOC under warranty ?! I have had the car 7 yrs.Apparently this is known issue and if I have understood this correctly, if this fails to be a permanent fix , they will replace the start up clutch ,again FOC even when out of warranty ?!
I did have the flush out done before at another dealer in Dec 2007 but the problem had recently returned so maybe it has a limited effect .
I might add that on the first occassion I was actually charged about £150 for fluid and
labour , which is what I expected as it was out of warranty. but I think that I was ripped off if it should have been FOC and I am looking into this further.
Hope that this info will be of help
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Martin........only three weeks since major service.........solution.........take it back and complain like hell....... ;) joe
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I am just in middle of similar problem.Garage said it was gear oil needing changed £70 as well as EGR valve £250.Car had to be towed to garage yesterday valve changed today for them to phone and say problem still there.They phoned Honda technical dept. to be told that it was probably windscreen washer corroding plugs.My car will not be ready until Monday now and I am thoroughly pissed off.Why should I have to pay out all this money while they monkey around from one SOLUTION to the next. Help
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I have to say thank you to this post, and a friend who pointed me to this forum.
My mother has a '04' plate CVT, and since it was in for a recall for the electric window seal, I insisted the service technician should have a look into the CVT oil problem. He assured me that there was no recall for any CVT problems for my car, but I told him that there is a problem when pulling off, there's a slight judder. He told me to hang on for a minute, then came back with some more info. He agreed to flush and change the transmission oil, and that the CVT warranty would be extended to 7 years from Honda.
Got the car back on Friday, and no more judder - RESULT!
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Bump.
Please vote in the poll at the start of this topic if your Jazz has suffered from this problem. Thanks.
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Hi everyone
I own a 2007 Jazz 1.5 CVT in South Africa. The car has covered 75 000km. Only recently noticed the 'judder' and had it checked at the recent 75 000km service. They replaced the CVT fluid (looks like part no: 0826099904HE) for £57 at current exchange rate. They also charged labour about £11. There has been an improvement and the judder is gone. The car is still under service plan up to 90 000km, but they did not want to give the fluid/labour FOC, as the fluid is only to be replaced at 120 000km according to service personnel. They did replace the master switch for the power windows under general recall and warranty for these models, to prevent the spontaneous short circuit in the unit that could lead to electrical fire. (A minor child burned to death in a Jazz here in SA. Very sad story indeed. Honda denied any responsibility, but very soon after the incident, this recall was advised.) Please have the power window unit checked out and replaced.
I also read about the Honda service bulletin HUK000000001117 at www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=61900 . It also mentions a warranty extension applied to it by Honda giving 7yrs or 100k whichever comes first, ALL cvt jazz`s with chassis build code GD1 from 02,03,04,05,06 are included in this extended warranty. Mine is GD3. My interweb research on this topic has now made me scared. The CVT problems have not been publicized so much here in South Africa.
My question is this: Is only the GD1 covered by this extended warranty, or all models?
Also what is the best way to approach this problem, should it return? Could I possibly have a claim to force Honda to pay costs for subsequent fluid changes or worse, the replacement of the gearbox? (Wish I could get my hands on this service bulletin HUK000000001117)
I have decided to sell my Honda Jazz. Just want to pass the info on to the new buyer. (And yes, I am going to miss my Jazz. Still a great car.)
Thanks for a great site.
Will
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Hi Will and thanks for the compliment on the site. :)
The service bulletins maybe country-specific.
I think the only Jazz models avaliable here in the UK with CVT are GD1's (1.4 i-DSi engine). The 1.2 i-DSi (GD5?) is only avaliable with manual transmission and the 1.5 was never sold here.
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I bought a japanese import FIT 1.4 gd1, auto, it was registered in this country in 03 this has ATF on the dipstick, the gearbox is a straight forward stick shift i.e no flappy paddles, with P.R.N.D.S.L. and are now experiencing a slight shudder on take off. The fluid is a light red in colour nowhere near as red as normal automatic fluid. I have tried to do a recall check using the vin number on the landing pad plate but it comes back as being invalid, will such a vehicle be valid in the UK??
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I bought a japanese import FIT 1.4 gd1, auto, it was registered in this country in 03 this has ATF on the dipstick, the gearbox is a straight forward stick shift i.e no flappy paddles, with P.R.N.D.S.L. and are now experiencing a slight shudder on take off. The fluid is a light red in colour nowhere near as red as normal automatic fluid. I have tried to do a recall check using the vin number on the landing pad plate but it comes back as being invalid, will such a vehicle be valid in the UK??
No ideas on this querie??
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Try phoning Honda UK.
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All:
Took delivery of my 06 plate Honda Jazz from Scarborough Honda this morning - drove back all the way to London and in the slow moving traffic of London I can clearly notice the Judder issue.
As this is a 'Approved' honda - I am keen to raise an issue but would like to know what the possible solutions are and is the CVT transmission fluid problem or the EGR value issue i.e. how to differenciate between the two?
Also, any advice on raising a issue with Honda Happiness?
Clearly, pissed off with the dealer as my car was not even waxed before the delivery while they were very keen on ensuring I don't test drive before buying the tax disc...
Cheers,
Suhas
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I reckon Honda UK contact details should also be listed on this query as many would find it useful and handy!
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On the other 'Merged' thread I have read Peter had the problem solved by replacing a starter motor. I will be calling my dealiership on Monday but it is a rather long 250 mile trek to get there :'( :'( :'(
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Try phoning Honda UK.
sent email to Honda uk this was thier reply
Dear Mr Hamer
Thank you for contacting Honda UK.
Our website will only recognise UK products, with this in mind your imported Honda Fit will not be recognised.
Your local Honda dealership may be able to assist you further. with regards to any outstanding recalls once your vehicle has been logged onto our database.
Please contact your local dealer for assistance.
Brayley Honda
660 Great Cambridge Road
Enfield
Middlesex
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020 8363 8000
If you have any further questions or feedback, please complete our feedback form @ www.honda.co.uk or call our Honda UK Contact Centre on 0845 200 8000, Option 2.
Kind regards
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Guys and Dolls!!
Any advice on my issue? Currently, have the car with the Honda dealership in London and am waiting for the call to say it is 'fixed'
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Hi Jaazy_H1 :)
Having never experienced the EGR valve problem (and owning a manual car) and can't comment on the cause.
What are the terms with the approved warranty cover? Can you have warranty issues dealt with by any Honda dealer in the country under the approved scheme? If so I see no problem with getting it fixed and so should let the London dealer sort it out.
Otherwise the ball is in the court of the suppling dealer. If you do have to take it all the way to Scarborough then you need to clarify beforehand they will sort the problem out free of charge. It sounds like the problem existed before you bought the car.
Can anyone clarify - is the warranty cover extended for the EGR valve and CVT issues as Honda have with the rear wheel bearings?
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Honda Customer Service - 01753 590760
Worked for me.
Have a good complain but stay polite.
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Thanks Chap - here is an update! Provided Scarborough guys with all the links and the evidence (bargained hard) and they agreed to reimburse the cost of getting this done @ London garage. Still wait for my cheque but I am sure I will be paid.
Honda is happy to extend the warranty tp 7 years on all CVT gearboxes but the terms of extended warranty does not include inspection charges and is valid nationwide. So I am a bit relaxed.
What is the problem with rear wheel bearing and how can I spot the problem with the EGR value?
My grearbox stick seems a bit hard moving from 'Parking' to 'Reverse' - does it indicate any known issue of just the continued manifestation of the CVT grearbox issue? The other day I had to use the SHIFT Lock mechanism to release it from 'Parking' - the manual only says get the car inspected by a Garage, so I will be placing a call Monday but before that I need to understand what this implies.
Thanks again for your replies.. awaiting more
Cheers,
Suhas
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Anyone had a repeat of the problem since being 'filled' with the new oil?
16,000 miles and my judder is back!
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Take it back to the dealer as it will need a new starter clutch pack which is inside the gearbox, if the judder has come back and it is still in the 7 year extended warrenty.
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Good plan, I'm coming up for a MOT and service plus the switch recall, however, problem is the dealer that did the CVT oil change has gone, we have some new guys in town.
I've no doubt the oil change will show on the Honda records but I see trouble ahead, Honda service departments are so easy to fall out with. >:(
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Yes they will be able find out from honda any warrenty work that has been done on your car as it has to be agreed by honda in order to carry out the work.
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Just a further update on my mum's '04' plate honda Jazz, after the transmission oil was changed under warranty back in March of this year, the vibrations stopped once it was carried out. However, the vibrations started to come back after a few months, and my mum has put up with it up until now without telling me.
I borrowed the car whilst she was away on holiday, and the vibrations was more than twice as bad now, it would vibrate between 10-20mph under accelleration, so I went back to Honda to see if they would honour the extended 7 years warranty on the CVT transmission, as the car was on an '04' plate and had only covered 40k miles. The guy behind the service desk knew immediately what I was on about, he sent an engineer to testdrive the Jazz to confirm it - all he did was do a brisk pull off in the car park, then parked it up! - and he said yes, that's a common problem, we will order the part for you to get it repaired asap.
So now waiting for the call for the parts to arrive so I can take the Honda Jazz to be fixed.
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our 2004 Jazz developed the judder after 65000 miles, rang one local dealer
and they offered to flush the cvt out for £98 +vat, rang another and advised probably
needed a flush and should be covered under warranty, needles to say we took up this offer.
Took car in and they performed the flush under warranty.All now sweetness and light
Strange the different level of service offered by official Honda
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I have a 2005 model which had this problem. I was told that my warranty covered a period of 7 years for this issue. The fluid was replaced twice after flushing. The judder returned again. Finally in September 2010 the CVT starter clutch was replaced to resolve the problem completely. No problems since. The car has now done 50,000 miles.
Total cost £457.40
Covered by warranty!
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hi
my wife owns a 2006 1.2 and straight away i noticed the steering was "not right" when we bought it. As i myself dont drive the car daily my wife was happy to get on with enjoying the car. The car had 6000 miles on the clock and now has 13000 and the problem still exists.
i have decided after someone at work had the same problem that i should approach Honda to have it reviewed..i have a few questions before i do and would appreciate any pointers from forum users to aid my attempt:
1. what if they tell me its "normal" ?
2. what if they say " its my fault " ?
3. we have no warranty left and as i am 100 % sure its a manufacture problem can they insist i pay for repair?
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First of all what is the fault you are getting.
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A quick note of thanks as the missus' 7 year 11 month old '04 1.4 SE CVT is booked in on Thursday to have the gearbox flushed & fluid replaced courtesy of Honda.
Year added to the poll.
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I noticed the dreaded judder on the first day I had my (new to me) 56 plate Jazz.
I phoned the dealers and complained, they took it in and flushed the CVT. No problem since, but if it re-occurs I will be after them for a replacement transmission...
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Hello,
I am a 2003 Jazz owner that is rather unhappy with the way my formerly trouble free car is now acting. I stumbled across this forum when I discovered that the CVT transmission problems I am having are a known problem, and yet I am 1 year out of warranty. I am here to seek help/advice and support as I am going to challenge this legally. My car only has 45K on it and since this problem does not seem to arise till then, Honda seem to be screwing all the low mileage drivers. Hope anyone that has any info helpful to me will lend a hand.
:)
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So what exactly is the problem with the car??
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Hi Ozzie,
When I pull out, the car initially lags and (to my ear) makes that sound cars make when they are in too high of a gear. Since before this car I had been driving a manual with a much larger engine, I just assumed that it was just sluggish on the takeoff because it was a 1.4. I think it's called "juddering"?
I purchased the car in 2005 with 11K on it and not sure when I first noticed it, but in retrospect it has been getting progressively worse for at least a year. It's MOT time, and when I took my car to my mechanic, he told me I should take it to the Honda dealer since he does not work on automatic trannies.
I took it to Chiswick Honda and they flushed the box and put in new fluid. They tried to blame it on my mechanic since I did not choose them for my service needs, but a quick phone call to him confirmed that he had not used the wrong fluid. As I was waiting I googled 2003 Jazz transmission problems and surprise surprise, this is a known problem to Honda.
Unfortunately when I called Honda customer service they informed me that I am one year out of warranty. But because the anecdotal evidence points to this problem not really surfacing till just shy of 50K miles, I am planning to challenge them legally. This problem is not due to poor or wrong servicing, driving habits or misuse, but is a design flaw that they know about. To penalise the low mileage drivers for not getting to the problem fast enough is wrong IMHO.
I'd love to hear from anyone else who has had this problem and how it worked out for you. I really don't want to have to pay £1300 just because I live closer to work than the next guy!
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Good luck.
I will keep watching this one.
Oz ::)
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Facing a similar issue with a 2003 Jazz that's only done 71,000 miles. Told its over the 7 year guarantee and therefore will cost c. £800.
Not happy!
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Hi HelpMePlease,
I can only say that CVT type Jazz needs transmission oil changed every 45K or 5years whichever comes first.Your car was filled with the old ATF-Z1 oil and have to be replaced with the new CVTF.After that your start cluch needs calibration which is almost only possible at the main Honda dealer. They have the right tool for that. Other thing with Jazz is that whenever the battery is disconnected or become flat calibration is needed again . Here is an email extract from a Jazz specialist which I received when I had similar problems with mine.
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The slow take up speed could be due to the start clutch being out of calibration. This happens when people take the battery terminals off or get a flat battery and is a cause of many major transmission problems. In Australia all battery terminals have a warning tag saying removing this will loose all start clutch calibrations and to take the vehicle to the nearest Honda dealer.
This calibration must also be re-done whenever the transmission fluid is replaced.
Calibration has to be done with the factory scan tool.
I would check with your Honda dealer as to the state of the start clutch and even if the diagnostic tool says complete get it deleted and relearnt at least 2 or 3 time in concession.
Note: failure to get a start clutch calibrated correctly can cause irreversible damage to these transmissions. Very expensive if this happens... >
Hope this helps
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Excellent post Teodor.
HelpMePlease,
I would tread very carefully about challenging Honda legally. In my experience I find that a pleading approach to customer services at UK HQ is probably the best approach (it works with Vauxhall).
It looks like the clutch needs recalibrating, I think try that first and lets hope that sorts it.
Good luck.
Oz
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Bought a 2006 sport auto with 30000 miles and noticed the judder/vibration when pulling away and the car also rolled backwards too easily when in drive which was quite worrying, took it back and had the cvt oil replaced and the car seems better for now. I keep millage to a minimum so probably won't notice if it returns very soon...Thanks to all the posters on the forum for supplying information so I could gain some knowledge before going back to Honda!
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I noticed the dreaded judder on the first day I had my (new to me) 56 plate Jazz.
I phoned the dealers and complained, they took it in and flushed the CVT. No problem since, but if it re-occurs I will be after them for a replacement transmission...
UPDATE
The judder crept back, steadily getting worse (although not as bad as originally).
I complained at the next service, and the car is in today having the starter clutch replaced under warranty. (It is still covered by the 1 year used Honda warranty).
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As amatter of interest what might happen if this start clutch problem is not fixed.
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I just bought a second hand 2005 and hadn't noticed this on the test drive but I think I was being too careful. Honda have changed the CVT fluid for me but cost £180, having driven a further 200 miles the problem hasn't gone away, my understanding is that they will change it again if I take it in again but if it still continues it will require a much more expensive clutch replacement.
Thankfully the car is covered by a 3 month dealer warranty which doesn't expire until March 2013 so I will try to get them to pay for the work.
I'd be interested to know what would happen if the clutch wasn't replaced though, would it get worse or seize up altogether or would it just continue with the same annoying (but tolerable) judder forever more?
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Roakes - strongly advise you write to the dealership today & explain the fault - ask them to rectify as you believe the CVT was defective when you purchased the vehicle. Note the mileage and any other factors.
Let the forum know how you get on
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Honda quoted approx £1600 (inc labour) to replace the starter clutch, the dealer has offered to fix the issue themselves via their "gearbox guys" rather than Honda direct. Going to take it into them in the new year.
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We had the Start Clutch pack changed today. We bought my wife's CVT-SE from a Honda MD in March last year and fortunately it was supplied with a 12month Honda warranty. We took the car into our local dealer because the steering developed the strange feel that I have found, by reading on here and other forums, is quite common and the Tech reported the vibration after the road-test. I can only guess he drove with a bit more vigour than we do as we hadn't thought anything much wrong; it is our first adventure with a CVT transmission and, although we had noticed a bit of roughness and delay on take-up sometimes we put this down to not being used to this type of gearbox and with our other car being my Smart Fortwo the Jazz seemed very good! Having read some of the prices quoted we are very pleased this was picked up while just still inside the warranty period.
The steering rack was replaced also so, all in, a bad day for those picking up the tab.
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Just carried out a CVT flush on my (new to me) 2005 Jazz with 91k on the clock, problem has completely dissappeared! ;D
I can't be sure how long the problem has been going on for as I only bought the car 2 weeks ago but before the flush, once the car had warmed up the judder was very noticeable (whole car vibrated as if going over a gravely road) if anything other than veerrry light throttle was applied from standstill.
Honda warranty expired last year, they wanted to charge me £150 for the procedure! I instead bought 2 (4L) bottles of CVT-F fluid from Honda (£40 each) and proceeded to do it myself. For the benefit of any other fellow DIYers here's what I did:
1. Jack the car up on left side and drain old transmission fluid by undoing the bolt with the square indent as shown here:
http://www.hondafitjazz.com/manual/A00/HTML/02/SAA2E02E15100013001KBAT00.HTML
2. Clean any debris off of the magnetic bolt and remove jack so the car is back on level ground to allow more dirty oil to pour out. I even jacked the car up on the opposite side so even more oil could drain out!
3. Refit drain bolt. (advisable to use a new washer but I used the old one)
4. Fill with new fluid via the transmission dipstick hole using a short pipe and funnel of some sort and check underneath the car for any leaks. I poured about 2.5 litres after which stopped and checked the fluid level on the dipstick, adding more as neccessary until it reached somewhere between the two 'cold' dots.
5. Start the car and engage all gears one by one. check fluid level again.
6. Find a quiet street and drive up to about 25 mph and coast down to zero – 6 times. as recomended here:
http://www.thaipulse.com/blog/thailand-places/traveling/thailand-honda-jazz-cvt-transmission-problems/
At this point my judder was still there, albeit not nearly as bad as before so I decided there was nothing to lose by carrying out a 'stall test' which apparently clears the dirt on the start clutch as described here:
http://nzhondas.com/tech-help/145635-cvt-shudder-how-clean-start-clutch-stall-test.html
7. Stall test: fully depress brake predal and slowly raise the revs till the stall point, should be 2500rpm (very disconcerting noises may be heard!) and drop again, idle for about 2 minutes then do the same in reverse. I repeated this 3 times in D and R. Do not do this for anymore than 10 seconds each time!
Idled a bit more and drove back to my garage, surprisingly the judder was almost gone!
8. Drain CVT fluid again and replace with second bottle of CVT-F. I carried out the 25mph coast to stop procedure again at this point.
I've driven the car on traffic jammed London streets as well as on the motorway since the flush, and can safely say the judder has totally and utterly gone - here's hoping it lasts and never comes back!
Whether the 25mph to coast to a stop procedure had any effect I don't know, but the stall test seriously had an effect almost immediately, although it should be noted that this should not be done with dirty fluid in the transmission as it will just jam more gunk into the start clutch.
Hope this is helpful to somebody out there :)
Happy Jazzing!
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Thanks for the detailed info!
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Our Japanese imported 03 model has ATF on the dip stick, and the fluid was red, however we had the judder and after reading this forum I changed the fluid to CVT-F now it feels like a different car, no judder and a free-er revving engine. Well pleased.
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did you just do a straight drain and refill of your CVT. I have just bought a CVT-7 jazz and thinking to do this with the Honda fluid ???
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did you just do a straight drain and refill of your CVT. I have just bought a CVT-7 jazz and thinking to do this with the Honda fluid ???
If you're experiencing a judder then a flush is required - drain and refill twice with some driving and certain procedure in between.
Otherwise just a simple drain and refill should suffice. However, if your car is pre 2006 and you're not sure if the fluid has been changed previously then a flush is advised as it could be possible that the old Z1 fluid has been used in your transmission, this fluid was not designed for use in CVTs and can lead to premature failure of the transmission.
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I had the CVT fluid flushed at my Honda dealer, the car is driving perfectly now, well worth doing.
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My Jazz has a judder when pulling away from stationary. It lasts for a second and then is smooth. The problem seems more pronounced when pulling away at junctions when I've got the wheel at full lock. Sometimes it's forceful, but it doesn't really hinder my driving.
I've got 2002 1.4dsi cvt with 48K on the clock.
Called a garage specialising in autos and they sounded really negative that it might cost £900 to replace part of the gear box. Another garage said something about coils. Also called honda and asked about a cvt flush which they said was about £100.
It's just passed it's MOT before I bought it too
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If you’re thinking of buying a Jazz CVT-7 that has travelled more than 50K miles, check the colour of the transmission oil (yellow dipstick, front right-hand side). ATF-Z1 is a very red colour. CVT-F is a golden-yellow with a tinge of red.
Hope all this helps you fellow Jazz CVT-7 drivers!
If you go to Google images and search 'colour of ATF-Z1 fluid' and scroll down the screen a bit you can see the sort of red the ATF-Z1 is for clean and used fluid. Haven't yet found a colour image of CVT-F.
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HI ALL
Just sold my 03 because of this problem.
Bought an 06 and now have a crap steering problem ( out of the fire etc )
Best small car ever but not without its problems. >:(
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I tried inquiring about this at John Banks Honda in Bury st edmunds, but no luck the gentleman said it is a serviceable item and i replied the flush is but there is a free service up to 7 years old or under 100 thousand miles.
But he wasnt having none of it so i agreed to pay £130 to flush and replace CVT gear box oil.
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I have a slightly different CVT problem, if I brake hard then try to accelerate the gearbox appears to go into neutral for a couple of seconds, then the gearbox suddenly engages, sometimes creating wheelspin, it is also slow to engage when cold. I do not have the judder as described in most of the postings so wonder if my faults will be covered under warranty (the car is under 6 years old)
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Slow to engage gear when cold is normal on GE Jazz. I never had your other problem though. Try changing your driving style so you only have to brake gently. This can be done my assessing the situation ahead and reacting early rather than at the last minute.
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Just bought another CVT Jazz after my accident (http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=5364.0)
This one also had a slight judder problem, I was told by the previous owner that he'd changed the CVT fluid last August but no change in juddering. I decided to 'clean' the clutch by giving the car some gas whilst keeping the brake pedal fully depressed, as mentioned above in the guide I wrote up last year, judder has dissapeared! I will be changing the fluid with just one 4ltr bottle of CVT-F instead of two, that should hopefully get the dirt out while saving me £40!
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Who do you go after to get the starter clutch replaced? Local dealer or Honda corporate? My partner has 2002 (52) reg with the cvt troubles listed in this topic. Puts it outside the 7 year/100k limit, doesn't it? Haven't "flushed" the system, just changed it to CVT-F. The judder diminished, but is coming back again. The previous owner didn't even take it for the free recalls! Had 4 pending! We've taken it in to the local Honda garage where the 4 recalls were dealt with. I asked them to take a drive and tell me what they think and they lean towards a starter clutch replacement for around £1200. We aren't rich, but who is. Anyone know where we should go with this?
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Your first port of call would be your local Honda dealer, explain the problem and if you got full Honda service history even better.
£1200 is a lot of money for a 2002 car that's not worth that much.
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My Jazz was over 7 yrs old, when I purchased it from the family owned Honda dealer in Kettering, with only 23K miles on the clock. It juddered from start-off during the test drive and when I queried it, the salesman said he could fix the problem with a gearbox oil change. I was horrified 5 months later, when the judder returned with a vengeance! I lined up the lawyers and wrote them a letter with evidence from this website, expecting a warranty bun fight over labour, if not labour AND parts. Imagine my surprise when the managing director (RS) phoned to say that the start clutch, oil and recal would ALL be replaced / done at their cost! The Jazz is now running sweet as a dream again! Let's hear it for this website and family run Honda dealerships in Kettering!!
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Okay guys so my 03 plate has the CVT judder and it is getting worse. Its 10 years old so trying to decide if its worth fixing. Anyone have a recent price for the CVT flush plus new starter clutch? Cheers. :-[
Just read the post saying £1200...eek! Did you go ahead with this? If so was that the true cost. Value of my car is only £2k....
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I bought a Jazz in January, and my thanks go to this group as it made me aware of the slight judder on pull away. I rang a Honda dealer today, and they have booked it in for a new clutch to be fitted over the weekend. They are loaning me a car, and at no charge to me. Again, my thanks to you all. My last car that died in January was a Saab9000 Aero. The Jazz is very different, but I'm loving the fuel consumption and the car all round. It's a 2008 in Nighthawk black pearlescent, with 27000 miles.
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Hi guys,
I just bought honda jazz 1.4 cvt7 2004.
Had a juddering engine when I accelerated.
Went to honda service at Sheffield and they sort it out by changing cvt fluid. Need to go back after 1000 miles for another changes. Now engine is better but still juddering.
Cost me £75.
Anyone know what is the current price for cvtf change?
If juddering, does it will harm the engine?
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Got my jazz back from Honda Ashford. They fitted a clutch start kit and fluid. Parts £153, labour £352. No charge to me as this was done under the extended warranty. Judder has gone, and all seems well ;D The recall for the window switches was done also. Fuel consumption on the way home was showing on trip computer as 58mpg, but I was going at about 50-55 on empty A roads.
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Interesting to read the various figures for the parts (esp. most recent). I've just got one, and I'll see how the flush goes first, but as it's out of warranty (34k, 8yo), I'll be pulling the box out myself when the starter clutch needs doing.
In RoI (where the VAT is 23%), local dealer sold me 2x4L of CVT-R for 100 EUR.
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Goodf info Brian. Parts were less than expected I have seen a Honda dealer asking about £215 on ebay. never had mpg that good I must have a heavy right foot ;-)
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Hi. The fuel consumption with the wife on board has dropped to a more realistic 48mpg. I start my short commute to work next week, at just over 3 miles each way, so that will be a true test of consumption.
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Well, the 3 mile each way is giving me about 33mpg. That's using shell high octane fuel.. I need a few tanks through before I clean things up a bit. I will post the figure's when it's stabilised.
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The 33 mpg sounds about right for the short journeys I tend to make now. I do too many 2/3 mile round trips so that is the worst scenario for mpg. :(
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Hi all
I have 2005 1.4 sport CVT which is redeveloping judder at 66000 miles after EGR Oct 2007 (32000 miles), double oil flush August 2008 (38000 miles) & new Start Clutch May 2010 (50000 miles).
Regularly serviced but not main dealer.
Question 1.
As only 15000 miles since new start clutch - does anyone know if I should receive a further no cost replacement?
Question 2.
Would the new start clutch fitted in 2010 have been the new modified type now fitted.
Thanks
Roger
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DrShockr ,brilliant post thanks ,have just bought a 05 jazz auto for my daughter ,done 50k it has the judder ,although i didn't notice it on the test drive and i was looking out for it !!, i asked her how its was going about a week after shed been driving it and she mention the judder ,i was mortified lol
im going to try the guide that you posted and hope that fixes it . one question though theres a post that says you have to get the start clutch re-calibrated afterwards is that correct ? cheers Fred
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I had the gear box flushed time after time under warranty. They seemed to not want to do it for me. Then finally they agreed to replace the clutch plate thingy inside the CVT gearbox. After a few thousand miles the judder has completely gone.
I think I will replace the fluid every 2 years to totally be on the safe side. And I will also only use the new and updated Honda fluid for this.
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i did the gearbox flush as directed by dr shocker and the judder went straight away , wasn't sure whether to do the stall test so i did one only in drive and one in reverse just to be on the safe side , fingers crossed it stays OK !!!!
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I drive a 2004 Jazz Sport with CVT bought with 1,600miles on clock from local Honda main dealer. After a few thousand miles the judder started. Took it back to the dealer who did an oil change which solved the problem but only for approx. 2,000-3,000 miles. Back to dealer who fitted a new starter clutch (had taken out an extended warranty thank goodness). Ok until vehicle was approx. 8yrs old and judder started again. Main dealer did an oil change (£100+) but suggested if not sorted would need a new starter clutch again - at mega cost to me as out of warranty. Just over 1yr and slight judder started again. Decided to live with it for as long as possible but eventually drove me mad. Asked for a quote for a further flush/change at main dealer!!!!MEGA COST! Found an independent garage (with Honda trained staff) who did a flush and change at less than previously charged by dealer. BRILLIANT - judder gone. This lasted until recently (104,000 on clock) and judder started to return. Tempted to get rid except car is brilliant in all other ways. Looked on internet and found an advert for XADO CVT oil treatment. In desperation decided to give it a try for £24.30 inc. After a couple of days a syringe of treatment arrived - bit like thick toothpaste - and put in CVT box thinking I had probably been 'done'. Amazing - within 50 miles judder was virtually gone and continued to improve. 6,000+ miles later and drives great, smooth and relaxing can leave in drive most of time even for 1:4 hills MPG has improved (54-56mpg on a steady run) probably due to smooth action of CVT. Look up XADO.CO.UK.
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We have a 2008 1.4 SE CVT 52k miles and the judder has just started to appear.
So went to the local Honda dealer this week, and it is going in for a CVT oil change and maybe a flush at the same time depending upon what they find.
So having read this wonderful thread, is there any benefit to be gained by performing my own stall test the day before the car goes in - with a view to depositing the starter clutch gunk into the existing fluid - or is that a bad idea?
The VIN has GE3 in it (characters 4, 5 and 6). I have seen references to GD models. So guessing, would a GE Jazz be a European Jazz and a GD be for another part of the world?
Other info - the car was bought nearly new (3k miles) ex-demo 3 months old (so had Honda UK as the first owner) and had a Honda tow bar (actually a Westfalia tow bar) fitted when we bought the car - we tow a small sailing dinghy. The vehicle has always been serviced at a Honda dealer. It has also had a new battery - supplied by Honda, changed by me (with reference to the handbook and workshop manual).
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hi all,new to the club,just to say thanks to you all for the load of information i have read about to day,confirmed the air bag recall with my local dealer & now know if i get juddering with my auto to change trans. fluid & which fluid to use.thanks all. :)
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All but the very last cars that sneaked onto a 09-plate due to the mk1/mk2 sales overlap will now be out of this extended warranty, but there is no harm in asking if your Jazz CVT - of any age - is suffering from this problem.
If Honda have fixed the CVT problem free of charge or contributed to the cost Jazz CVTs over seven years old please let us know.
And has this problem ever reoccurred on a car previously fixed by Honda? Did they fix it again f.o.c or contributed to the cost?
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Just thought I would post my experience re: judder upon acceleration on Honda Jazz. I just bought a second hand Jazz 04 plate automatic with 138k miles. Found out that the car would judder for a couple seconds upon moving from a stationary position (or after slowing down) and also hesitant around 2500 revs upon accelerating. After a few days of driving, the car sputtered to a stop after performing a kangaroo dance when I tried to accelerate after turning left at a roundabout. I was able to start the car up again but the engine management light came on but was running very rough. I limped to a local garage to get a diagnostic test done resulting in problem with crank sensor. l got them to replace the crank sensor and also to change the engine oil, filters and spark plugs.
This seemed to have solved the problem with the hesitancy around 2500 revs and it was running a lot smoother but I was still getting the judder upon acceleration. Upon stumbling across this forum I realised that I had the dreaded Honda Jazz Auto CVT judder. Cheapest quote for a full CVT oil flush and replace was £90 from Phoenix Close Honda Specialists in Heywood (which is not a bad price as they said they would flush it twice).
Was going to book it in but stumbled across this thread and noteably Ed the Jazz post re: XADO X120 treatment. Thought I give it a shot as it was a small risk to take. Cheapest I found was £17 on fleabay. After receiving it, I injected the treatment from its syringe which looked like blue toothpaste. I took the car out for a spin and didn't notice any difference. I took it for a second run an hour later and within 20 miles the judder had disappeared!
It now feels like a different car and it feels great to be driving 'normally' again without passengers asking why the car is shaking everytime I drive off at the lights. So there you have it, I would certainly suggest giving XADO X120 a go if you have a judder problem with your Honda Jazz especially if you have an old high mileage one like mine and don't want to spend a lot on it. Don't know how it works but it sure seems like some magic blue paste I got for £17. I hope this helps other Honda Jazz owners who may stumble across this problem for a cheaper fix.
Google is your friend so google away for more information. P.S. I also stumbled across a product called Oil Extreme which appeared to solve the judder but the product is more expensive and is shipped from the US.
Happy judder free driving :)
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That additive you put in recently..... is the car still behaving as its should. I bought our jazz around six moths ago and the gearbox oil 'was changed'. I'm debating whether to get it changed and out the stuff you used or change the oil and see how it goes?
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Just thought I'd share my experience here:
I have a 2008 MK1 CVT Honda Jazz. Bought 2nd hand this year. Soon after I bought it I noticed that it judders when pulling away, especially if I accelerate fast or up a hill. After reading this thread I put it in at a honda dealer to get the CVT fluid changed. They recommended a flush (change fluid 2x times) which cost £150. They said they did some kind of heating procedure in between the two oil changes (not sure of details). After the flush the judder is gone. Hurray!
Thanks everyone on this thread for sharing your experiences, without which I wouldn't have known what to do about the judder.
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Have a 2002, fitted new pack 2011 at 55,000 km by previous owner. Trace of judder at 85,000 but just drain and fill with CVTF seems to have eliminated. The garage slip routine seemed a bit brutal if avoidable.
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Hi Everyone,
I recently bought a Jazz 1.4 CVT from 2005 with 37000km(sorry 23000miles) and I also have a Civic Hybrid 2010 with CVT as well.
The Jazz had the judder and I flushed the gearbox with Honda CVT fluid.
First I drained the old fluid and refill with new. I did a test drive and the judder fell almost to 30% let's say.
Then I performed the ''stall test'', D+brake+2500revs for 10 sec etc..etc. From that moment judder was gone completely!
Went back home drained the CVT fluid again, and refill with new one. ;D :D
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I am amazed no one has read the manual ( when all else fails :o) . I had a shudder in my 2007 Jazz Sport and after putting up with if for a while I found on reading the manual ,that Honda does not recommend starting in D. It recommends starting and staying in S for round town stop/starting up to 50kpm . This effectively keeps the car running one gear lower than normal which means it pulls up faster when you deaccelerate and reacts faster when you accelerate . I changed the oil ( the proper Honda oil ) and using S the shudder is largely gone . I now never pull away from a standing start in D ( like trying to pull away in your manual in second .
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Welcome to the forum. The instructions in your manual are not in the European manual. There is no mention of using Sport other than to boost acceleration. The manual states to use Drive for normal driving. Can you tell us what page number you are referring to, just in case I have missed it? Thanks.
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You are right Jock ,I should have double checked my facts as it is a while ago that I did it ::) I must have got the initial advice from the mechanic I was dealing with when I bought the oil . However when I got home and checked my manual on p254 was the advice on better acceleration and increased engine breaking . Also the fact that S is good for stop start driving ( is that not around town driving ? ). I guess I put the two things together in my head . One thing for sure is that it works , the car is a lot more responsive , does not charge into roundabouts and no shudder unless under very heavy acceleration .
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Also the fact that S is good for stop start driving ( is that not around town driving ? ).
Certainly sounds like it. Nothing like that in the European manual.
Page 254 says:
Selecting Sport shifts
the transmission into a lower range
of ratios for better acceleration and
increased engine braking. Use Sport
when you are going down a steep hill.
and that's it. I have had a couple of automatics with a Sport mode and loved using it. Only problem I found was doing so almost halved my mpg. I used Sport for spirited overtaking, and that was it,
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Does anyone have long term feedback on how the CVT fluid flush worked out to cure the CVT judder?
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Not sure you call it long term, but our Jazz had a very noticeable judder on every take-off, 2 flushes, a final fill and a dose of Xado EX-120 and 3 months and 1200 miles later and it's still perfect.
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Yep a single CVT flush cured the judder on our MK1.