clutch dragging in stationary traffic

[guest5079]

Given the warning about not balancing the car on the clutch at traffic lights etc with the I shift, I have been in the habit of selecting neutral when a stop is more than momentary.  This has been  a mistake, in as much as I completely forgot the necessity to have the foot on the brake before selecting a gear, which caused a little concern, when it was impossible to select a gear.
However, the reason for this post is that the other day in a protracted traffic jam, I noticed that the car seemed to be trying to move although my foot was completely off the throttle. The handbrake was on.
It had all the appearance of the clutch dragging( back to the days when the clutch master/slave cylinder were not 100%), which of course meant that heat and wear would be the result.
Any ideas. I have not noticed this at traffic lights or other temporary stops.

[applicationcen]

I have extensively looked at the interaction between hand brake, revs and foot brake.

when not moving - Unless the car is stopped, in Neutral with the hand brake firmly on, I never take my foot off the brake.

I have done exactly what you have - been unable to move as the car wont select 1st gear when removing the hand brake.

If stopped or in Neutral - foot on brake before moving off.

[guest5079]

Thank you applicationen,  yesterday in a hold up for some 35 minutes stop start, I noticed again, if I just sat with the car in gear and ONLY the foot brake  on it felt as though the car was trying to move. If I selected neutral with hand brake on no problem as there should not be.
I did remember after selecting neutral foot brake/select and the 1st gear selection problem  did not occur,
It's just this feeling of the clutch not fully disengaging when stationary in gear. I suppose the answer is in my own hands and select neutral if more than a very short stop.

[stiggysawdust]

When stopped with it  in gear and on the flat, it will creep forward. If you touch the brake pedal just slightly you should feel the clutch dissengage. if you are on an incline it will begin to roll. obviously further pressure on brake pedal will engage the brake.
I therefore believe that a switch or sensor connected to the brake pedal is at fault. possibly adjustable, but I think a visit to your favourite workshop is called for. Good luck.

[guest5079]

Oh how I was dreading that comment about a visit to your favourite workshop!!!! Thanks for the info, it was probably what I was dreading.
My last visit for a service, which was supposedly a freebie ( included in the purchase price ) started with an attempt to get me to pay for fully synthetic oil at a surcharge of £21. Declined. When area of paint which had  lifted on nearside rear sill and paint lifted on rear hatch pointed out. Well you can buy a touch in pen and the hatch is chipping not covered by guarantee. While I waited, I was looking around the used cars and was pounced on!!!!!!!!!!! what was I interested in?? but to cap it all, when finished the car had been washed and parked with the drivers door immediately outside the showroom door. So I just got in and drove it home, only to find that my front parking sensors had been disconnected. ( My sensors are speed sensitive and in order to pick up the correct Can Bus feed? I modified an OBD 11 plug to avoid cutting into the wiring loom). This had been unplugged and not put back properly. I didn't know that a computer check was done voluntarily considering the outrageous prices dealers want for checking a problem and this could be the only reason to disturb the plug. BUT my biggest gripe is the chunk taken out of one of my wheels. It is not a kerbing as it is vertical as if the car had been lowered against something solid. Couldn't complain as I didn't notice it for several days. Having looked after all my vehicles for over 50 yrs, it has come hard to accept someone else doing it BUT having resisted my Wife's plea to take it to Jamie down the road as it was supposed to be super dooper buying from a main dealer. What price the experts?.  Unfortunately Jamie who specialises in Porsche and Ferrari and chats to you while he works, won't be able to fix this problem cos Mr Honda isn't going to  wriggle out from this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I shall have to bite the bullet and drive to my favourite place Plymouth, 35 miles away when the visitors have gone home.

[applicationcen]

Both my 2006 Legend and this 2010 Jazz have inferior paint materials against say a BMW.

The chipping is an issue so you need to protect it.

There is no rubbing one panel against the other? That would need a proper look at?

[guest5079]

The chipping of the paint on the tailgate door is a mystery as to how it has happened. I did let the dealer know but just said I would not do anything about it till I brought it in for service. Which is exactly what I did. The person at the dealers was the same person that told me that the dent in the bonnet ( tree branch falling on it) would NEVER be removed by the hammer and spoon method. It was. Nobody, that I have shown can see where the dent was. He was the bodywork man, who wanted £400 to remove said dent.
The chipping is on the very edge at the bottom of the door. I installed a 'bumper protector' shortly after I bought the car and had noticed the problem almost immediately after purchase. The boot floor and trim is undamaged, which suggests the car was not used by a careless person. ( such as a DIY carrying stuff too big for the boot. ) There is clearance between the tailgate and bumper BUT if this was the cause it would be a longish rub mark. This is best described as if a metal object ( I think highly unlikely ) has been used like a wheel tapper along the bottom edge, chipping the paint.
Yes I will have to attend to it before it gets any worse but my dismay at the attitude of the dealer illustrates the don't bother us with a problem. We have sold it clutter off. It might not have been so bad if they, the dealer had offered the touch up pen FOC!!!!!!!!!!!!But several pink pigs have just flown by.

[applicationcen]

Those door protectors were on my Legend before I bought it - the dealer took them off and the protectors themselves had damaged the paint on the damn car!

I think that Honda puts lighter paint on to save weight and the composition is slightly brittle with less final armour glazing.

However - it wont stain or dissolve with Bird lime - so here in Torquay that's a blessing. I had a Cavalier V6 - gorgeous paint job in sparkly black, until any bird droppings caused permanent blemishes. It was like a Jackson Pollock in no time!

[culzean]

Those door protectors were on my Legend before I bought it - the dealer took them off and the protectors themselves had damaged the paint on the damn car!

I think that Honda puts lighter paint on to save weight and the composition is slightly brittle with less final armour glazing.

However - it wont stain or dissolve with Bird lime - so here in Torquay that's a blessing. I had a Cavalier V6 - gorgeous paint job in sparkly black, until any bird droppings caused permanent blemishes. It was like a Jackson Pollock in no time!

Bird SH1t is car paint enemy number 1, and if Honda paint can resist it that is fantastic.   I have also fitted plastic door edge protectors to cars in the past (not just Honda's) and I can confirm that they do damage the paint (I think dirt gets behind them and rubs away at the paint).

[guest5079]

Interesting  the comments about door protectors as I have debated as to whether or not they would be helpful, given the cavalier attitude some car owner have towards other cars.
On the basis of the comments I think it will not be an extra I add.
The bumper protector I refer to is in fact a moulding in ABS made by a company called RGM. It covers the flat surface of the rear bumper and is moulded to fit the contours. It's purpose is to help stop the scratches and dinks clumsy people like me cause when unloading/loading the boot area. I admit it was easy to fit but did give me a slight problem NOT because of the product but the car has obviously had poor repair work done in the N/S rear area as the bumper does not sit completely in line with the bodywork. This may be the reason for the chipping on the bottom edge of the hatch door. Despite my query with the dealer, all responsibility is denied and at the end of the day I should have noticed it on purchase.