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Other Hondas & General Topics => Honda & Other Honda Models => Topic started by: RichardA on September 10, 2011, 02:56:29 PM
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The first glimpse of the 2012 Honda Civic has been revealed. The new hatchback model is an evolution of the previous generation and as before is built exclusively in Swindon.
More information to follow after the official debut at the IAA Frankfurt Motor Show in a few days time. Rumours suggest a new small capacity diesel engine and maybe even a hybrid model will be offered, but no word yet on a successor to the inspirational Type R, killed off due to the K20Z4 engine failing to meet tough Euro V emissions regulations.
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Still got that stupid spoiler. Oh well, maybe next time.
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More pictures:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kii_niO-XwU/Tm5JIJo0HWI/AAAAAAAE_8k/7U3Q4dnHwEc/s1600/00001_New_Honda_Civic.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RoJESPNZ55w/Tm5JIpsG7YI/AAAAAAAE_8s/xwOeN1iKr4I/s1600/00002_New_Honda_Civic.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bkgPoJtva8M/Tm5JJKhs7VI/AAAAAAAE_80/TxezzL_ttns/s1600/00003_New_Honda_Civic.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AbsVKskrVvE/Tm5IXdn8T1I/AAAAAAAE_6o/Cfd4poLfrjs/s1600/2012-Honda-Civic-Hatch-6.jpg)
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/09/2012-honda-civic-hatchback-unveiled.html
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http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/09/iaa-2011-honda-unveils-new-civic-hatch.html
1.4 100bhp petrol (from the Jazz, presumably)
1.8 142bhp petrol
2.2 150bhp diesel
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Honda seem to be very proud of the work they've done to improve the new Civic's suspension set-up, to give a smoother ride combined with good handling. If it's successful, perhaps they can do the same thing for the next Jazz!
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Love the pictures of the inside, looks high quality.
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Prices are revealed here: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/273454/honda_civic_prices.html (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/273454/honda_civic_prices.html).
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Civic will get a 1.6-litre diesel:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2011/12/1/honda-confirms-sub-100g-km-models/41648/
120bhp, 221lb-ft of torque and 95g/km CO2 emissions. Road tax exempt and no charge in the London Congestion Charge zone. Also set to appear in next year's new CR-V and the next generation Accord.
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I went to a launch evening at Brighton Honda last week for the new civic. They had a top of the range model there to look at and a short talk from someone from Honda. The car was very impressive and ousing quality but with a price tag around £27k it's going to have to be good, very good. I'm afraid it will have to remain a dream!
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Civic will get a 1.6-litre diesel:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2011/12/1/honda-confirms-sub-100g-km-models/41648/
120bhp, 221lb-ft of torque and 95g/km CO2 emissions. Road tax exempt and no charge in the London Congestion Charge zone. Also set to appear in next year's new CR-V and the next generation Accord.
Lower CO2 emissons than the Jazz Hybrid, but higher NOx emissions.
I'll be interested to hear which is cleaner in the real-world - I suspect the EU legislates against CO2 partly because the French and German manufacturers makes a lot of low-CO2 diesels and conduct some serious lobbying with Brussels!
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New Civic gets a 5-star EuroNCAP crash test rating....but then, what doesn't these days?
http://www.euroncap.com/results/honda/civic/2012/475.aspx
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What's the visibility like through the rear windscreen? Does the "spoiler" on the rear hatch collect rainwater and then spill it all over you when you open it?
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the civic has lost its appeal :( haha the 2012 and current lot just dont appeal to me at all cosmetically lol..even the Civic Type-R and 3D models dont appeal either
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There is one on the car park at work.. im a big honda fan, but this new civic is a serious no, no with me... the old one was better...
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^ you mean the 02 style ones? (or y reg?..cant remember when that shape came in...the nicest shape came in.. haha)
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I've seen one in the flesh, but I still prefer the previous 06-11 model. It looks better than a Golf/Focus but (until I see one for real) I think the new Hyundai i30 is the best looking.
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ive seen one in the flesh too...so to speak...when i had the jazz in being serviced...test drove an 07 civic as well....was nice to drive but still not keen on the way it looks..and agreed it looks better than a golf...but not a focus....the new focus simply looks amazing...
and the i30? hyundai have gone downhill with their cars... :( long live the coupe/tiberion(or whatever tis called outside the uk)
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After initially being unimpressed, I'm now quite positive about the 2012 Civic after seeing a few parked and sitting in one a few weeks back. I still stand by what I said before though - it isn't as good looking as the previous '06-11 model, especially the Type R and post '09 facelift with the new style grilles and painted exterior trim, but I like the shape and it's only the change-for-change-sake detailing like the wheel arches and rear lights that are the only negatives. Next to my current favourite for styling in this sector - the new Kia C'eed - the new Civic's styling is more original and the shape more attractive and dynamic. But the new C'eed has cleaner detailing, even if from some angles I can see a fair amount of Vauxhall Astra. On the whole I do like it now.
The interior is a mixed bag - I prefer the new design of the instrument binnacle and the Jazz-style hooded dials but the centre console area is more conventional than before, the funky A/C and audio controls have been replaced with a row of faceless buttons and the sat-nav where fitted looks aftermarket. Perceived quality is up though around the door cards and gearlevel/handbrake area, and the handbrake itself no longer looks like design and assembly were contracted out to Fisher-Price.
Rear visibility? From *just* sitting in the showroom car it is better than before and now at last there is now a rear wiper. TBH, I never had a big problem with the spolier - you get used to it very quickly, and it was only the thick C-pillars that took time to adjust to and to be fair, the old one was no worse than the Mk5 Golf, 1-series, etc.
Would I buy one? I would investigate one more closely if I was in the market for a five-door family hatch. I'd have one over a Golf as I'm not a fan of the cooking (i.e., non-GTi/R models) Golfs as they are, frankly, no more desirable than a dull Toyota Auris once you look past the soft plastics and that 'badge'. And as a someone who was 'really into cars' growing up in the 80s and early 90s, a time when people bought mediocre Fords and Vauxhalls by the bucketload (because they thought they were buying 'British'? ;D), I could never see myself in a Focus or Astra, even though I admit I really like the look of the latest Astra GTC. Equally though I would consider the latest Hyundai i30/Kia C'eed if the resale values hold up (outgoing 11-plate Kia C'eed diesels with a good spec can be picked up for less than a brand new Jazz ES :o).