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Title: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: graham47 on June 28, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Can anyone with a UK 1.4 Jazz confirm or otherwise if their MID shows service reminder info.  I have a 1.4EX i-shift & mine doesn't appear to (at least I can't get it to !).

Thanks
Graham
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest671 on June 28, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
If you have the latest Jazz the service reminder comes on the lower of the 2 computer controls (the one that show the number of miles since last petrol fill). You need to press this about 3 times to get to the service reminder which tells you the number of days until the next service is due.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on June 28, 2009, 10:46:27 PM
The display shows either days (using a sun/moon icon) or miles/km to next service, depending on which would be the first to be reached by its estimates. On the EX each tap on the lower button on the bottom right of the steering wheel cycles between showing the car's mileage, the A trip counter, the B trip counter and the service info.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: graham47 on June 30, 2009, 03:59:36 PM
Thanks for all replies.
Looks like mine isn't working.  pressing the (lower) button just cycles between Trip A, Trip B & total mileages.  Nothing on the upper display changes.
I'm not desperately worried, my annual mileage is quite low so I'd be looking at 12 month service anyway.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest516 on July 03, 2009, 11:16:16 AM
Mine first came on came on at 3500 miles& showed 8500 miles to next service
Showed blank till this first reading but has altered as miles have been covered
Hope this helps
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 03, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
Having recently had to make a series of 100 mile trips on demanding rural roads, mine's changed from 90 days to 1400 miles (ie. wanting an "A" service at 8500 miles).
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: graham47 on July 04, 2009, 05:30:24 PM
Thanks once more for these extra replies.
So far I've only done about 2200 miles (in 4 months) so maybe something will show up as mileage increases.

Thanks all again.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: csp on July 06, 2009, 03:35:21 PM
The service reminder indicator on my ES did not work when the car was delivered as it had not been set during the pre-delivery inspection. This was corrected when I took the car in to have a number of delivery issues solved.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest848 on July 10, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
I own a Jazz MX i-shift (2009) yes it dispalys the service indication.Press the reset button, on the steering wheel, several times and it will come up Spanner symbol and days to service. Regards Larry
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: jazz212121 on July 13, 2009, 09:58:23 PM
Hi I am new to the forum
Bought my new Jazz (GE model ) 1.4 ES in Nov 08
Have just done nearly 10000 miles and the service indicator is shouting at me. 

I booked it into the Honda dealer today for its first service but when I got there I was told that the service requirement was 12500 miles or 12 months -so no service carried out.

Looking at other posts there seems to be a problem with the service indicator - hope Honda will get this issue resolved quickly
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 13, 2009, 11:30:56 PM
Mine's now saying 950 miles, and I've only 7000 miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest907 on July 14, 2009, 10:00:52 PM
Just upgraded from my third 1.4 SE to a new 1.4 EX and very pleased. I average approx 20K-25K per year and I also do not show (yet) any service indicator information which may appear later. My service book lists 12,500 miles or 1 year and according to the book items are replaced as the previous model schedule. The handbook shows you how to reset the service indicator but then the system wouldn't show a dealer what it had recommended. If I am having the 'full' 12.5K service anyway why need the service indicator....very confusing. I'm sticking to 12.5K schedule as service book.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: ThomP on July 16, 2009, 10:02:06 AM
Hi I am new to the forum
Bought my new Jazz (GE model ) 1.4 ES in Nov 08
Have just done nearly 10000 miles and the service indicator is shouting at me. 

I booked it into the Honda dealer today for its first service but when I got there I was told that the service requirement was 12500 miles or 12 months -so no service carried out.

Looking at other posts there seems to be a problem with the service indicator - hope Honda will get this issue resolved quickly

The whole point of the indicator is to make the interval variable depending on the actual driving pattern, so I think your dealer is mistaking - 12500 is a guide, but the actual interval can be higher or lower.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 17, 2009, 01:39:37 PM
Mine's now saying 950 miles, and I've only 7000 miles on the clock.
It's been stuck on 930 miles for the last 3 days, despite me driving at least 75 miles over that time.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 17, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Mine's now saying 950 miles, and I've only 7000 miles on the clock.
It's been stuck on 930 miles for the last 3 days, despite me driving at least 75 miles over that time.
It's saying 680 miles this evening. Looks like I'll have to book a service soon.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 20, 2009, 01:55:20 PM
It's saying 680 miles this evening. Looks like I'll have to book a service soon.
It's booked in for a service at the end of this week. The receptionist seemed not to be au fait with the variable servicing of the new model Jazz, and suggested that they'd be resetting the counter instead.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on July 25, 2009, 11:51:37 AM
"A" Service done. Had to take it back after the service as the display wanted a B service inspection almost immediately. So they did the inspections for that and reset the counter to 12500 miles. (I'm on the pre-paid service plan.)

Since the second reset, the display has been showing both the icon for "Fasten seatbelt" and also the same in text above it. Perhaps they did a firmware upgrade at the same time.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest238 on July 26, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
I'm still unconvinced about these variable service schedules.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest983 on July 26, 2009, 06:21:00 PM
OK, I don't think any of us have quite answered Graham's question - like him, I am unable to get to ANY form of service indication as of yet.  So -

* does this option need enabling by the dealer (since the manual implies it only applies to some countries - eh??), or
* does the spanner only appear when I get anywhere near a service?


I think a quick call to my Honda dealer is in order, next week (unless you beat me to it, Graham!)

WHICH BRINGS ME to another question, about which I will start another post - HIDDEN MENUS. I'll bet there are a HOST of options and other display things you can get to, if only you know the codes. Miles or Kilometers, anyone? MPG or L/KM? Degrees F or C?

BTW, I have searched, but as yet there seems precious little "technical" documentation out there on the web around the GE Jazz. The "FIT" variant of the JAZZ for our American cousins looks to have completely different instrumentation, and so there doesn't look to be much help from that quarter.

Larry
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: graham47 on July 26, 2009, 07:11:22 PM
Yes, I was passing my dealer a few days ago & decided to call in.
After playing with it for a few mins. a technician connected his black box, tapped the screen a few times, &, hey presto, Service Info is now showing (360 days to a B service).
He commented that he thought it hadn't been switched on during PDI.
Also if you look in the H/Book it tells you how to set/change the display parameters (Km or miles, L or Gal etc.).  You can also set if the display is symbol only (default) or symbol + msg (as earlier post referred to).
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest983 on July 27, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Graham, you beat me to it!

I've called my Honda Garage today - they confirmed that the variable service indicator should have been switch on by the dealer as part of the PDI, but it got missed Oops, one (small) black mark for the dealer.  They have offered to set it next time I am passing.

But it DOES leave me wondering what other "dealer options" and hidden tricks lie below the surface... ::)
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: bibisjazz on October 21, 2009, 08:06:09 PM
Hello from Greece.
I will apreciate if someone with a new Jazz 2009 model can send me the page from the service reminder book which has the codes and the symbols of what the service include. Can also someone explain to me what FRT stands for.

thank you in advanced

h_vassilios@yahoo.com

bibsjazz
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: bibisjazz on November 03, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
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I will apreciate if someone with a new Jazz 2009 model can send me the page from the service reminder book which has the codes and the symbols of what the service include.

Nobody?????.........anyway for your info :

FRT => Flat Rate Time.
The Flat Rate Time is provided for the purpose of standardizing the time for work covered by Warranty Claim as specified in the Honda Service Manual, Policy & Guide. No matter how long the actual time expended is, the Flat Rate Time shall be used for computing the labor charge. This may also be utilized for figuring out the charges of regular customer works.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Geoffers on November 03, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
This runs to quite a few pages - 11 to be exact!
Why not just get a service book through Honda?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: bibisjazz on November 03, 2009, 07:13:38 PM
I do not want the service book. I want only tha page with the A & B letters and the explaination of the codes and the symbols.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Geoffers on November 03, 2009, 10:07:56 PM
Well, go to a Honda garage and ask them for it!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: bibisjazz on November 11, 2009, 06:49:10 PM
thank you for not helping me
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Geoffers on November 11, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
What's the problem. I already told you it runs to 11 pages! If you have a Jazz and you haven't got a service book then you should have.
Contact Honda and I'm sure they'll give you one.

Of course, if you haven't got a Jazz then ..........
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on April 26, 2010, 10:55:14 PM
I bought my new Honda Jazz EX 1.4 in May 2009 from a dealership near Thames Ditton, Surrey and have only just found out that the Service Reminder Display was never switched on during the PDI.
Having been given various answers from their staff (some conflicting), I contacted the Honda UK helpline who put me in touch with one of their technicians. They then had to liaise with the dealer's service department to find out why this hadn't been activated during PDI and advise how this can be done now - nearly a year after it was bought!
I feel that my concern was justified as I had been supplied with a new vehicle that didn't meet UK specification as described in both the Honda User Manual and shortened version.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: abeat1 on May 16, 2010, 11:17:36 AM
Morning people (my first post on a car forum  :o)

My Jazz was registered 1st sept 09 and I have done around 7000 miles, it is the i-shift model which I am enjoying very much. I now have a message on the MID with the spanner which reads "service due soon", there is no indication of milage or timings yet and I can not fine a reference to this exact message anywhere in the manual. Am I right in thinking I should start to see a countdown shortly with advice on parts requiring replacement and inspection? I have no service plan on the car and I do have a service booklet which as far as I can see requires stamped. Your thoughts much appreciated.

Andy
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: csp on May 16, 2010, 11:32:10 AM
My Jazz ES registered in March 2009 was also delivered with the service indicator off and had to be set by the dealer, I was told that this had been missed at the pdi  :'( . After being set the indicator counted down the number of days until the next service, after the 1st service the indicator was reset again and again is counting down the number of days to the next service.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on May 16, 2010, 07:46:00 PM
Press the second button several times, which will cycle through total mileage, A trip, B trip, then service information.

As an aside, having had a second "A" service (oil change and oil filter), the car says it wants a "2" service (air filter) in 140 days. I queried this with the dealership, who queried it with Honda's North West regional service manager. It turns out that a lot of GE Jazz owners are concerned about the prepaid service contract. I've had it confirmed verbally that Honda will honour this for any number of services that the car requests during the period prepaid for (usually 5 years).
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: abeat1 on May 17, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
Further info, 400 miles until A service is now being displayed, so that will be around 7500miles and 9 months old! Disappointed really but will have a word with the dealer in case there is an issue with the firmware / oil sensors etc

Andy
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1461 on June 16, 2010, 09:36:53 PM
If you can not see the service indicator then it may well not be set up (should have been done at the dealers before you picking it up)
The service interval will depend on how you drive so if you are bombing around it will want an A service quite regualy. if you drive ecomomicly and smooth it will be a lot longer and so may well want a B service first.
A service = oil and filter
B service = check over of the car e.g. breaks levels etc.

If you have this system then there is no 12500 mile service interval what so ever.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on August 10, 2010, 12:13:29 PM
Hi
Advice from our local Honda dealer asserts that servicing will be 12,500 miles/annual. My polite 'reminder' that the new Jazz has a 'variable service indicator which automatically adjusts the service intervals according to driving patterns etc.'  made no difference to their advice... it was reiterated.

Could my variable service indicator have been disabled? How could I check on the car? Anyone with similar experience?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Geoffers on August 10, 2010, 01:10:05 PM
Mine, bought Oct last year, has now done 7,500 and is saying that a service will be due in 450 miles!
It has been said on here that the variable service indicator will be disabled at the first service. From then on it will be 12,500 miles/annual!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on August 10, 2010, 01:45:15 PM
You can ask for the variable service indicator to be disabled. It's not worth it on the Honda Happiness pre-paid service scheme: they'll do whatever the indicator says without quibble within the first five years. I asked for (and got) confirmation of this following my last service.

A more frequent change of oil and oil filter is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on August 10, 2010, 06:15:46 PM
Thank you people. We very much like so many aspects of the Jazz but choosing between servicing possibilities is not so straightforward. For 'ad hoc' servicing over 4 years/50,000 miles the Honda dealer quotes £1193!  Honda Happiness Fixed Price Servicing Plan at £500 'down' for 4 years/50,000 miles is not cheap (considering what services really consist of) but is not bad/good value compared to other servicing possibilities. NB: A complicating factor for us is that we may sell the car before 2 services are done and though the Servicing Plan attaches to the car and so could enhance its resale value, we can't be confident of getting the full value of the Plan reflected in the price. After all, it's not a 'negotiable' option.

For us, a very interesting possibility according to the Service Book and the Honda UK website is the Honda Happiness Budget Servicing Plan. The website example shows a 3-year/37,500 miles Plan for a Civic i-VTEC of initial payment of £41.38 followed by monthly direct debit payments of £9.55 = £385.18
For our Jazz, based on projected mileage of 10,000 per year the equivalent 3-year Plan quoted by our Honda dealer is £41.32 initial payment followed by 27 (as we've had the car a number of months) monthly payments of £14.99 = £446.05 total. The payments can be flexed up (or down) according to actual mileage and will be refunded if we were to sell the car or if were to be an insurance write off - or so we are told.

We are keen to keep a 'Honda' service history as we might (regretfully) sell the car while it is still 'young'. 

Any observations anyone? Meanwhile, I hope this information helps others.

Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rory on August 14, 2010, 11:18:04 PM
For 'ad hoc' servicing over 4 years/50,000 miles the Honda dealer quotes £1193!  Honda Happiness Fixed Price Servicing Plan at £500 'down' for 4 years/50,000 miles is not cheap (considering what services really consist of) but is not bad/good value compared to other servicing possibilities.

Appreciate that you might not keep the car, but, for clarity, the Honda service plan cover 5 years, not 4.

If you were only going to keep the car for a couple of years then the plan is of questionable value, but any longer than that and it's a "no-brainer".  I hate paying for servicing, but the reality is that it's got to cost something, and £500 for 5 years is extremely good value.

Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on August 15, 2010, 09:08:59 PM
Thanks for your interest, Rory. Yes, as you say, the Honda Happiness Fixed Price Servicing Plan is a 'no-brainer' if the car is kept beyond a couple of years because it is certainly great value compared to all other options. We eventually concluded that Honda's Budget Servicing Plan - which of course offers servicing exactly to Honda's schedule as with their Fixed Price Servicing Plan - is better for us only because there is a distinct possibility that we'll regretfully quit the car before 2 years are up (emigration). Interestingly, Honda's Fixed Price Plan must have been 5 years previously, however the promotional reminder postcard we received from Honda UK and their website shows 4 years/50,000 miles for £500. 
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rory on August 16, 2010, 03:36:22 PM
Interestingly, Honda's Fixed Price Plan must have been 5 years previously, however the promotional reminder postcard we received from Honda UK and their website shows 4 years/50,000 miles for £500. 

You're quite right - I just checked the Honda website and they've changed all the plans to 4years.   Panicing slightly, I pulled out the paperwork for ours and there is a confirmation letter that it's for 5yrs/62,500 miles.   I didn't even pay full price for it - there was some kind of deal that if we took an EX from Honda inventory then the service package was half price.  I also bought the 5 year warranty too and with the p/x the details of all the costs got a bit lost.

I was pretty happy with the overall deal except that I compeletly forgot to include a spare wheel.  I knew it didn't have one but just totally forget to include it as part of the deal.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Garyman on August 17, 2010, 10:16:48 AM

I was pretty happy with the overall deal except that I compeletly forgot to include a spare wheel.  I knew it didn't have one but just totally forget to include it as part of the deal.

Me too  :(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: wr_uk on November 04, 2010, 02:54:46 PM
Has anybody actually got an official answer about it this is faulty/too sensitive or not?

I purchased a Brand New Honda Jazz in January 2010. When I was sold the car I asked what the servicing intervals were like. I was told be the sales man that it was the usual 12,000 or 12 months which ever come first. So I didn't think anymore about it.

9 months down the line and approximately 7500 miles the service light indicator came on. Having consulted the drivers manual it indicated that the jazz was infect on a variable servicing.

The next day I called the local dealership where I bought the car explained to the lady that I had only had the car 8 months and only done 7500 mile and the service light had come on. She said that this was a known problem with the jazz and I was to bring the car in and the light will be taken off at no cost.

I took the car in to have the light taken off. On arrival I was asked If it was booked in for a service. I explained that it was brought it to have the servicing light taken off. They said that the light come on because it need a service regardless of milage or the amount of time I've owned it.

THey check the on board computer and said it was on count down I had around 500 miles left to the actual service. They took the servicing light off but said I must book back in for a service after 500 miles.

I called  the local dealership this morning to to get some details on the servicing and the cost. I also aired my concerns about the low milage and the service being so soon. She said that she had heard the the new honda jazz models will be reverting back to the scheduled servicing system of 12,000 miles or 12 months.

Too me sounds like this problem and thats why they are reverting back, I then proceeded to ask her where does this leave all the honda jazz owners that have this issue?

I didn't get much of a response.

I've since looked on internet and through forums and it seems that this in not an isolated issue.

One one post its states 'It has been said on here that the variable service indicator will be disabled at the first service. From then on it will be 12,500 miles/annual!'

A couple of things that I'm really unhappy with:-
1. On the purchase being misled by being told that the servicing was as any other new car 12,000 or 12 months
2. That there were issues with the light coming on so early (some posts on forums, stating the light has come on around 4500 then come on again 100 miles after that)
3. That I was told that this was a known fault on the Jazz when I first contacted the dealership
4. It seems nobody who works at Honda knows what the hell is going on!

If I would have know that the services were going to be much more frequent when I purchased the car then I would have been in a better position to make an informed decision about whether to purchase the fixed price service plan.

I'm not sure what to do in terms of servicing, do I  ignore the light and just take the car in at 12,000 miles or at 12 months or will this make the warranty invalid? I certainly can't afford to be taking the car in for servicing every 6-8 months or so at an absolute minimum charge of £135 a go.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on November 04, 2010, 06:34:07 PM
I received an unexpected letter from my Honda dealer today indicating that they have me provisionally booked for First Service and that I need to phone/email and confirm their tentative booking. Or change it if their date is inconvenient. That means that the car will be serviced at around 12 months... and 9,000 miles. The variable service indicator has not lit up - perhaps it has been disabled with servicing simply scheduled for 12 months/12,000 miles whichever comes first. Whether that's Honda UK official policy or not, I don't know...
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: eljuero on November 04, 2010, 07:14:54 PM
In my service book it is stated that service must be performed at leats once a year (or every 20k km or less according to the service indicator - in reality this means around 15k km in my case although I drive pretty normal)  to maintain warranty.
After servicing my jazz the service indicator is set to 20k km and it counts down to next service.
I have 38k km now. I did an oil change at 5k km, than A service at around 21k km and AB service at 37k km. Every time the service is more expensive  >:(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest516 on November 11, 2010, 08:36:29 PM
Re service/oil change intervals
The first oil change 'A' came at 9 months & 8k + miles followed 60/70 days later in January the 'B' service & all  items shown in service book completed the car being just under 12 months old
This week 12 months to the day its had its 'A' oil change & new pollen filter
The computer indicates that in 70 days the 'B' service is due (2 years ?)
The cost of the 'A' service should have been £75ish until they confirmed I was on the 5 year service plan.    The best £'s worth I've had provided it really lasts 5 years ??
Enjoying my Jazz ;D
oui-oui
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: dogbiscuit on November 17, 2010, 09:54:38 AM
I took delivery of my new 1.4 Si back in July 2010. There is no indication on the multifunction display that the service reminder indicator has been activated. I don’t know whether this is the dealer’s policy or just an oversight by the technician who carried out the PDI. Unfortunately the pre-delivery inspection list supplied with my Jazz is so poorly photocopied I can’t tell whether the service reminder activation is part of the PDI. Please can someone check their PDI list and tell me if it forms part of the checklist and under what section it appears as then I might be able to work out if the relevant box has been ticked.

In my opinion variable servicing can only be a good thing if it means fewer trips to the dealer for the majority of owners. Who wants to keep taking their car back to the dealer for frequent services regardless of cost? I don’t and my car came with 3 years free servicing. 12 months/12,500 miles is frequent enough for me. The reason I buy Hondas is to have a car on the road and not in the workshop. Variable servicing, another new model Jazz irritation to add to my list.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on December 03, 2010, 06:21:17 PM
According to my Variable Service Indicator, my first 'A' service (includes first oil change) will be 16,500 miles & 20 months after buying my GE Jazz brand new.

About half those miles will be long-distance, 'hot' running (ideal engine conditions) while the other half  will be short trips, cool/cold running and around town... within two freezing winters... altogether much, much less ideal for an engine and/or not oil-friendly.

According to my Honda dealer who gave it a 'B' service while checking out the Variable Service indicator, all's OK with it. If in fact this is how the variable service computation **should** work that's very interesting oil change economies...

Interesting.

Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on December 05, 2010, 07:57:20 PM
From new, my GE Jazz has done 8800 miles in 12 months. Great big little car!

According to the Variable Service Indicator, its first oil and filter change is not due for another 7700 miles.

So its first oil and filter change ('A' service) will be at 16,500 miles and 22 months!

By way of explanation after conducting a 'B' service, my Honda dealer has shown me part of a Bulletin explaining that with Variable Servicing, depending on motoring conditions, oil change intervals ('A' service) can extend to 18,000 miles. Or, depending on motoring conditions, they can be much shorter than that.   

Interesting.

Has anyone experienced similarly long oil change/'A' service intervals with their GE Jazz?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on December 06, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
Don't worry. That 16.5k/20 months will probably drop to half that depending on usage. My EX's first "A" service was demanded at 8k miles, and the second around 17k. The cabin filter change "2" is fixed at 24 months, irrespective of the other indicators.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on December 06, 2010, 09:14:20 PM
Thanks, nowster and sorry for wasting your time. My explanation was inadequate...

My GE Jazz is 12 months old (from new) and has done 8800 miles to date.

The Variable Service Indicator is displaying 7700 miles yet to go till 'A' Service.

That means its first oil and filter change ('A' service) will be at 16,500 miles and 22 months from new... presuming my motoring patterns remain unchanged.

Following a 'B' service my Honda dealer showed me part of a Bulletin by way of explanation. Apparently an 'A' service can extend to as much as 18,000 miles... or it can be considerably shorter than that... depending on motoring and engine oil conditions as computed by the Variable Service Indicator.

Given previous comment in this Forum and elsewhere on this 'variable 'service' topic - typically much shortened oil change intervals - my long interval experience surprised me.

Has anyone experienced similarly LONG intervals?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rory on December 18, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
Inter

So its first oil and filter change ('A' service) will be at 16,500 miles and 22 months!


That is interesting - all the other comments I''ve seen about this say the servicing is tending to come too early.

I'm sure ours is days rather than miles and the first service was pretty spot-on a year old, when the car had done about 8K miles.

I'm sure longer intervals aren't an issue - I run a diesel Merc (Jazz is wifey's car and I use it around town) and that only asks for a service every two years if it lowish mileage.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: akh48 on January 14, 2011, 10:57:19 PM
I have also had the service indicator coming on early.  I purchased the car, Jazz 1.2 i-VTEC, an ex courtesy car at Honda franchise in July 2009, car was first registered March 2009, car had 2900 miles on the clock when I purchased.  I was told it was 12 months or 12,000 miles to service and yet the first year the indicator came on around 6-7 weeks before it was 1 year old.  I went in to garage and was told the indicator said it needed a service and it was depended on how it was driven!  As a new Honda driver I went along with what the said and had my 1st service, mileage I had done since purchase was around 3,000 so around 5,000 in all, can't remember exact mileage at service.  

The warning light has come on today saying 29 days until next service B2 (?) is due, yet again early.  My mileage is still only 9,460.  I am not at all happy with the fact it is getting earlier each year.  I paid for my first 2 services up front so that is not really the issue.  But not happy that I am having to service more frequently than I was told and I dont think it is down to my driving style as after what I have been reading I am not alone.

The fact that the warning light comes on every time  you switch on is already getting on my nerves and this is the first day >:(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1461 on January 15, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
You can have the service indicator system turned off but you will have to sign to say that you no longer want it as once turned off it can not be turned back on. Your servicing will then be 12 months or 12.500miles.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on March 13, 2011, 11:36:26 PM
ive been flicking through the select reset button and all i get is a and b trip, i dont get service so does that mean it was never turned on?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on March 27, 2011, 02:07:14 AM
i read in the manual that the service indicator is on the select/reset button on the steering wheel, push once for trip A, twice for trip B and three times for the service indicator.

i only get A & B and no service details, does this mean it is switched off? or does it only come on after a few thousand miles?

thanks
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: nowster on March 28, 2011, 02:24:22 PM
It was probably never switched on.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on March 28, 2011, 06:40:41 PM
yay that suits me, 12 months or 12.500 it is  :D
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on July 25, 2011, 11:20:45 PM
who here has gone from the variable to annual 12500 mile service and what did the dealer say when you told them what you wanted


thanks
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1862 on July 27, 2011, 08:54:57 PM
Hi
 
Just asked if they would change it over to annual was told it would take up to an hour booked it in they did it and no charge. Just a shame i write it off 2 months later and am now waiting for a new replacement.
 
Mike :)
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on July 28, 2011, 12:27:32 AM

thanks for the reply

did it take an hour because they had to switch the computer off?


mine is already off as they didnt switch it on so i hope i just get a sticker on the book
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: dave on July 28, 2011, 09:23:35 AM
My dealer asked me at the first service if I would like them to turn the variable off. I said ok. I don't think it takes long to do.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Ozzie on July 28, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
I've told the salesman, sort it on the pre-delivery inspection  ;D
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: John Ratsey on July 28, 2011, 02:56:00 PM
I was offered the option of the variable service when I got my new Jazz. I declined and, as far as I know, the SVRS system wasn't activated.

John
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on July 28, 2011, 05:45:31 PM
well its good to know i have a choice at the first service, thanks
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest907 on July 31, 2011, 01:33:00 AM
I had the dealer switch mine off at the first annual service.There is a sticker on the service book now that states servicing is 12,500 miles or 1 year.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 15, 2011, 10:43:36 AM
The service reminder system is inherently defective (confirmed by Honda's own main dealers), and so far Honda UK has been abysmal in correcting the multiple problems I have experienced, and have only been advised to have it switched off. So much for their wonderful Variable Servicing design, which I foolishly thought would save me servicing costs as I'm a low mileage user. I am now seeking legal advice as my purchase of a new Jazz model was influenced by an operational SRS. All Honda Jazz owners with this problem should jointly challenge Honda UK/Japan to find a solution as after the 3 year warrantee expires you will be on your own.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: D3DSL on September 15, 2011, 12:17:50 PM
What does the variable service indicator give re service mileage/time??  I'll be doing about 7k a year at max and have the 4 years included servicing included in the car.  Obviously it'll be annually if I have SRS switched off but does that mean if it's on it goes in when it hits 12,500 miles?

PS it's a new MY12 Jazz ES CVT that is due at the dealer shorty. :)
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 15, 2011, 12:56:43 PM
Your vehicle should have had the SRS (service reminder system) turned on at the PDI (pre delivery inspection) by your Honda dealer. Honda specify that all UK spec Jazz models should be using this variable service system. Mine wasn't and I wasn't given any option by the dealer and I only found out later. After many complaints to Honda UK Customer Relations they arranged to have it turned on at the first annual service, but has been defective since. In theory the 5 year service plan they sold me at the outset does not correspond to the variable service schedule in the Service Book. At present I am taking this up with Honda UK as it's unfit for purpose and they have failed to sort out the problem after 2 years. To check if your system has been activated just press the Sel/Reset button on the steering wheel until the MID shows an 'A' or 'B' together with either a day/mileage countdown. If you cannot bring up this display it has never been turned on (see page 317 of "How It Works" or page 14 of your "Quick Reference Guide". I hope this helps. 
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: D3DSL on September 15, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
Cheers, just trying to work out what would be better for my Jazz arriving shortly.  Dealer's salesman says it's 12 months or 12,500 miles, he didn't really know about the variable servicing.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 15, 2011, 01:18:49 PM
This one unresolved problem has really damaged my faith in Honda and the fact that they are now selling cars at their dealerships where salesman haven't done there homework. Perhaps this is because they may earn more commission by selling you the 4/5 year service plans. The best of luck. Ignoring this, the car has been excellent, but the absence of a spare temporary/full wheel still worries me. Check out my other posting.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: D3DSL on September 15, 2011, 01:25:20 PM
This'll be our 4th Jazz, 1st new type and 1st CVT so looking forward to it.  It has free 4 year servicing (4 services) now and knew it didn't have a spare so haggled one into the deal using the old "include the spare and I'll order it" line.   ;D  I've also just bought a second set of ES alloys for winter tyres, car may spend chunks of its life in N Scotland in winter so proper winter tyres are a must.  Just got to get the car as it's delayed a bit. :(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: RichardA on September 15, 2011, 09:24:17 PM
I've merged the several (???) topics on this subject we've accumulated over the years into one.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 16, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
Thank you RichardA for merging my postings regarding this topic. I'm not sure how you register a thank you on the forum, so I thought I'd post it as you obviously do a lot of work as administrator. I will update everyone once I receive a reply to my letter of complaint from Honda Customer Relations.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 16, 2011, 01:15:01 PM
I think it's disgraceful that with this subject going back to 28 June 2009 and with 71 replies and 6,371 views Honda have not picked up on this as many of the replies mention that they had contacted the Honda UK helpline. So much confusion given by them and the Honda Dealerships resulting in unhappy owners. What do you think?  >:(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: RichardA on September 22, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
The 60-plate GE 1.2 SE I currently have from the body repairer is showing  -2000 miles to service every time I start up. The manual is not in the car so does this mean it's over due? The car has only done 10,000 miles and, given that the tax runs out at the end of next month, is not quite a year old.

As a courtesy car it goes without saying its probably been treated to short journeys!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: John Ratsey on September 23, 2011, 06:09:07 PM
That's suggesting that the reminder system is being very conservative to suggest servicing at 8000 miles. However, if we assume that the car has daily usage then it's most likely 30 to 40 miles per day mainly in short trips.

Is the engine oil turning black? - that's a good indicator of a service being due.

John
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on September 28, 2011, 04:37:34 PM
My Jazz 1.4 EX 09 is currently showing -197 miles at start-up, meaning it's 197 miles overdue for its 'A' service oil change, even though an annual service was only carried out in May, approx. 1,400 miles ago. Crazy!! I'm still currently awaiting a full reply from Honda Customer Relations re my previous posting and will update when my complaint is resolved. Honda UK's advice to its dealers to just turn the system off completely if a customer complains is not good enough. If the SVRS is turned off it can never be turned on again according to the Honda technical team.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: John Ratsey on September 28, 2011, 07:28:49 PM
Would anyone want to re-enable the SVRS if it going to be demanding a service at 1,200 miles? There may be operating conditions that justify such a frequent oil change, but I can't think of any.

John
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest516 on September 28, 2011, 09:01:23 PM
Seems to be normal?? for the A service (oil change) to be followed shortly after by a B service routine check on wear (brake pads) inspection of various listed items for full service. My oil has only been changed on A service
My third A is service is due shortly 26k miles & I'm looking for 4 new tyres at 26k miles in 2 years & 7 months
Just done  a 3k trip to France in 3 weeks mpg 50+
Keep enjoying your Jazz motoring
oui oui :) ;D
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: dogbiscuit on September 30, 2011, 01:35:39 PM
Crazy!!

You are right, it is absolutely crazy. Honda has really messed up with variable servicing. My car never had it activated at the PDI, I wasn’t given the option, it was delivered that way. Whether it was an oversight by the dealer or a dealership policy not to enable it I don't know. What I do know is that I am glad it wasn't activated from what I have read on the forum. Who in their right mind would want to have to keep taking their car back to the garage at short intervals? At my first 12,500 mile service I enquired as to what Honda's policy is with variable servicing and the dealer's reply was that every customer is now given the choice between variable and fixed interval servicing when ordering their new car.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Geoffers on September 30, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Hmmm, I wasn't offered that choice when I ordered mine last weekend!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: John Ratsey on September 30, 2011, 06:25:55 PM
Hmmm, I wasn't offered that choice when I ordered mine last weekend!
In my case the question came up when I went to get the car. I said that with my normal mileage the once a year service was easier to remember so the system wasn't activated and a post-it note put in the handbook to record the situation.

John
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on October 02, 2011, 11:01:43 AM
If you check your service book, all UK spec Jazz cars should be using the Variable Servicing system. The object of this is that servicing is only required when indicated by the SVRS MID display. This can dispense with the need for regular annual services which many modern cars no longer require, especially if you are a low mileage user. In my opinion, and that of many Honda dealerships I have contacted, there is a problem with the way the oil quality is sensed, resulting in frequent displays on the MID indicating that an 'A' service is needed (oil & filter change), perhaps, as in my case, just 1,400 miles since it was changed previously. There are complaints to Honda UK going back over 2 years, since the new model was introduced, and to date this has not been rectified. My argument is that the SVRS system is defective and not fit for purpose, resulting in unnecessary trips to the garage and increased costs. If you are under a Honda Happiness Plan, Honda have agreed that you can take your car in for an 'A' service whenever indicated and not limited to one annual service per year. But what happens when your warranty and service plan expires? You will then be left with a defective system and expensive regular oil changes unless Honda can correct this problem rather than instructing their dealers to turn the system off if customers' complain, which to me is not acceptable. I recommend that any Jazz owner concerned about this should direct their complaint to Mr Lewis Tingle, Customer Relations (Cars) at Honda UK on 0845 200 8000, who is investigating this issue.  :(
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on October 13, 2011, 04:43:40 PM
Just to update everyone, I've had a reply in writing back from Honda (UK) and Mr Lewis Tingle, Manager Customer Relations (Cars), has told me that using the SVRS system I can have any number of services as required by the SVRS display, including the 'A' and 'B' annual services, for the full 5 years of my Honda Happiness Service Plan or 62,500 miles (whichever comes first). Presumeably, this will be the same for all other owners in my position.
Last week I had an additional 'A' 1 service and the SVRS display now indicates '7' 230 days, which means brake fluid change in 230 days.
I have also been told verbally by two members of Honda Customer Relations Team that the reason why the SVRS system has frequently been requesting an oil/filter change is because the engine oil used in the UK is of a much higher quality than that being used in the rest of Europe and the sensing system used cannot pick up on that. If that isn't an admission that the system is not fit for purpose, I don't know what is! I hope that my postings on this problem has helped other Jazz owners and that Honda Technical Department will finally, after 2 years, devise a fix fir this ongoing error.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rabiedmushroom on October 15, 2011, 09:38:02 AM
I have also written to Mr Lewis Tingle, yet to have a reply back. Thanks for the tip. My local dealer have previously confirmed yes they/Honda are (and have been) honouring the 5 yr/62k service package.
My concern voiced to Mr Tingle is the ongoing expense of numerous servicing. Yes the service indicators can be turned off, but that's not the point is it? IMHO they need to review and upgrade the sensors and software.

P.S. To put this into perspective, I have had 10 yes TEN services in 53,000 miles and less than 3 years!  :o
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on October 20, 2011, 12:22:39 AM
I initially emailed Mr Tingle and have had two replies from him by email. Before this I phoned their helpline, but got nowhere.
According to the latest email I have been told that my SVRS complaint is being investigated by the Honda technical team and I will receive a letter in due course. I have offered to have my car inspected by their technicians if that would help their investigation.
Hopefully if enough owners complain directly to Honda we shall have a result as there is obviously a serious problem if you need ten services in under 5 years, according to Rabiedmushroom.
For UK owners that have stuck with the SVRS system, as specified for the UK, all this additional need for services indicated by the SVRS display must be costing Honda a fortune for those fortunate owners that went for the Honda Happiness Service Plan. My worry is what happens when it expires.
 
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on October 20, 2011, 08:50:23 PM
mine wasnt switched on at pdi so when i go in after 12 months for my first service i will ask them for the sticker for my service book that states i want 12 month or 12500 miles services for my jazz, it is 7 months old at the moment

i hope i dont have any problems doing this, or that it doesn't effect the warranty in any way
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rory on October 23, 2011, 10:14:02 AM
But what happens when your warranty and service plan expires? You will then be left with a defective system and expensive regular oil changes .....

No you won't - once the car is out of warranty then sticking to the service schedule becomes irrelevant.  Just get it serviced whenever you choose.

Many owners of older cars never have their cars serviced anyway - they just rely on the MOT to pick up faults.

Interesting to see comments from people who have had their car serviced huge numbers of times - I would lay odds that they don't get serviced if they come back to dealer within a few thousand miles of the last service and all the dealer does is reset the service indicator.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2889 on November 14, 2011, 01:19:59 PM
All the SvRS complaints are putting me off buying a used 2009/2010 Jazz. Even Honda’s Approved Used Car Service Plan puts me off. It says ‘If your vehicle is equipped with the SvRS, we can't include additional interim A services for oil and filter changes in the plan.’

If you have the SvRS switched off , does that count as a modification of the standard model? Should you advise your car insurer? If you don’t tell the insurer, and you make a claim, will they be able to wriggle out it?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on November 14, 2011, 03:15:02 PM
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Interesting to see comments from people who have had their car serviced huge numbers of times - I would lay odds that they don't get serviced if they come back to dealer within a few thousand miles of the last service and all the dealer does is reset the service indicator.

It's an interesting thought. Anyone in this servicing situation could check the appearance of the oil on the dipstick after service and see if it's clean/clear. Although if it's unduly low miles since last service it's (arguably) harsh to expect it changed when it is a cost the dealer has to absorb as a consequence of it being under a prepaid servicing plan such as Honda Happiness

Customer's wasted time and hassle bringing the car in might be a fair issue, though.

My Honda dealer should know that I ALWAYS check for clean oil on the dipstick... I also look for a pristine, clean, new looking oil filter housing. Air filter element, too. After every 'A' service. In general I like to check, as far as convenient, that everything was done as billed.

I know someone who went further than that. He used to put a little paintmark on his sparkplugs matching to the spot where they met the engine's head and his servicing garage was found out. Brand new plugs charged for, but not changed! They'd even shown him his supposed 'old' plugs, too. (Of course, our Jazz plugs are too inaccessible to easily mark.) He did similar with one nut on each wheel as a rough check for 'wheel off' for brake assembly strip, clean and lube, too.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on November 14, 2011, 05:00:33 PM
If you have the SvRS switched off , does that count as a modification of the standard model? Should you advise your car insurer? If you don’t tell the insurer, and you make a claim, will they be able to wriggle out it?

Is it really a 'modification' as an insurance company would define it? And so, would you be required to inform an insurer, legally speaking? And how would your insurance company ever get to know... if you didn't tell them?

To illustrate, would an insurance company care to know if you have switched your aircon to 'off' permanently because it's broken and so no longer works? IMO I don't think switching the SvRS 'off' would present any sort of insurance problem... but I could well stand to be corrected.

Just wondering...
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2889 on November 15, 2011, 10:25:15 AM
I’d say that an aircon unit, whether on or off, can have no detrimental effect on the mechanical operation of a car, whereas I suppose the SvRS  constantly assesses the condition of the oil,  oil filter, brakes, etc., in order to prompt remedial action to maintain the car’s operational efficiency. Like you, I don’t know what an insurer’s attitude would be but I’m cynical enough to believe that an insurance company’s first (and perhaps only) consideration is to look after itself!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:33 AM
Surely 'switched off' SVRS simply relegates Jazz to the vast majority of cars that rely on manufacturers' specified service change intervals? These intervals being somewhat arbitrary because, really, they should vary according to motoring/oil conditions - hence the idea of SVRS.

I'd bet whether oil change intervals are followed or not, a lot of cars - possibly the vast majority - suffer efficiency and mechanical deterioration because the change should have been sooner. Same with brakes servicing.

Further... some motorists extend if not entirely overlook oil and filter changes altogether - such departure being (arguably) a 'modification' of the manufacturer's specification. And too many such motorists possibly rely (not ideally) on MOT to pick up any braking deficiency.

For those reasons alone I don't think an insurance company would have the slightest success against a Jazz owner whose SVRS had been switched off. It wouldn't stand up logically... or legally, I suspect.

I take your point re a/c. However, from an insurance point of view I was thinking about effect broken a/c has on resale and hence value of a car. Also... from a SAFETY viewpoint, functioning a/c enhances driver comfort and awareness. Yet insurance companies don't require they be informed if a/c is broken. My point about a/c should have been better explained. 

Nonetheless you've helped me think through my logic. And IMO switching SVRS off would be of no concern or interest to an insurance company. Nor should it be. No problem presented for Jazz owners.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Top Down on November 15, 2011, 12:58:15 PM
Honda themselves switch it off if you prefer the 12,500 mile or once a year servicing routine.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2898 on November 16, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
I was lucky when i bought my 09 ES in march this year, it had already been disabled from new (ex demonstrator) so that suits me fine! my sister in laws EX has it on and (2010) and i think its been in 3 times already and its only done about 15k!.... i will be taking mine to a local garage to have it serviced using genuine honda parts... 
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2889 on November 16, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
' No problem for Jazz owners'

You're probably right. I hope so!

But perhaps an insurer will say that the SvRS is installed as a standard part of the Jazz in order to aid and prompt the driver to instigate necessary maintenance of the vehicle in response to intelligence gathered by the device.

My car insurance schedule (and I guess everyone else’s) includes all manner of ‘threats’ about the need to disclose full information upon which the insurance certificate and the cover provided is based, and ends up with ‘It’s an offence under the Road Traffic Act to withhold information or make false statements when obtaining a certificate of motor insurance.'

But you may well be right. There’s nothing to worry about. Is there…?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on November 17, 2011, 01:50:57 PM
Here is the official reply I have received from the Honda (UK) technical team re this topic:

Honda Service Reminder System (SvRS ).



The Honda SvRS system has two functions one of which is to monitor oil
condition within the engine. This function is the only variable part of the
system.  The way the system decides on the oil change period is based on
algorithms which are calculated on driving conditions and driving style.
This means a driver who mostly drives in cities , towns or short distances
will require more frequent oil changes than a driver who drives on
motorways and longer distances for example.  The remaining part of the SvRS
system purely works on dates or actual mileage covered. For example when
approaching 12.500 mile or 12 months old the SvRS system will highlight the
need  B+ service (annual check).  Depending on the driving conditions the
oil change ( "A" service oil change)may not be highlighted at the same time
it could be before or after  this period.as described above.


If a customer is unhappy with the function of the SvRS system and would
prefer to revert to a once a year or 12.500 service schedule (which ever
comes first) the SvRS system can be switched off . This will not affect the
warranty in any way it simple returns the vehicle to standard servicing as
it has been on all Honda vehicles in the past.  Some customers may prefer
this as it will reduce the inconvenience of more than one trip a year in to
the dealership.  If the customer has a Honda service plan Honda(UK) will
cover all necessary oil changes as per the service plan in the agreement no
limit to how many oil changes as long as an A service is required
However if a customer wishes to have the system switched off. It will not
affect the warranty. As long as the 12.500 mile/ 12 month service schedule
is adhered to.  This can be confirmed by Honda Happiness help line
08448717742...


I was very interested to see the reply from mgdAmmanford #87 14 November, which stated that Honda will not honour their above policy under the Approved Used Car Service Plan if the SVRS has been activated at purchase. This just shows what this has been costing them for new car buyers' under the Honda Happiness scheme and that they have no intention to find a permanent solution to this problem.

I have found the Honda (UK) Customer Relations Team very unhelpful and have an official ongoing complaint registered with them since March 2010 with no resolution to date. I think the only way to resolve this is for Honda owners to group together and submit an official complaint that the SVRS system is 'not fit for purpose' under the consumer protection act. What are your feelings? Why are they and their dealerships recommending to owners to have the system turned off permanently if their is nothing inherently wrong with it?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on November 17, 2011, 08:45:58 PM
I was very interested to see the reply from mgdAmmanford #87 14 November, which stated that Honda will not honour their above policy under the Approved Used Car Service Plan if the SVRS has been activated at purchase. This just shows what this has been costing them for new car buyers' under the Honda Happiness scheme and that they have no intention to find a permanent solution to this problem.

If the second owner is unhappy with the 'A'/oil+filter servicing frequency, surely he can simply request the Honda dealer to switch it off and revert to the arbitrary 12,500 mile (max recommended) interval?

In your post honjazz, I also noted that the only 'variable' SVRS item is oil and filter. Brakes are therefore not monitored this way.

For this second owner, then, is there really any harm done at all by having it switched off? If so, what?

Apologies, however, if I am missing the point here...

On the other hand, if that second owner is using the car for, say, lots of 'hot running'... trips that are typically NOT cold running around town and NOT very short commutes, say... the SVRS will extend the 'A' service/oil+oil filter interval to as much as 18,500 miles.

At least that's what my dealer told me a year ago when I was considering having it switched off.

For that owner, SVRS is a good thing and he'll be happy to have it left on, surely.

As it is, after a 'teething' glitch necessitating dialogue with the dealer, I've left mine 'on' and so far (20,650 miles) it is performing pretty much as the dealer described and NOW I am pleased with it. (As pleased as I am with so much of this car.)

The SVRS has yet to signal for a second 'A' service/second oil change. My motoring over the last year has involved barely any short runs compared to the year before and so I'll be very interested to see how many miles before this (second) oil change is signalled by the SVRS.

However as it is the only car in the household my motoring is very 'mixed' with most miles being trips and motorway. So maybe SVRS is ideal for me at least -  once the dealer sorted it... and once I fully understood it (I hope.)
 

Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on December 02, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
I have received a reply from the Honda (UK) Customer Relations Technical Adviser re problems raised with variable servicing and excessive oil changes indicated by the system. He forwarded to me a detailed response from Honda's R&D department but unfortunately to date I haven't received permission to quote it on the forum as it is subject to their confidentiality terms.
I would be very interested to get an idea from Jazz owners' how many are using Variable Servicing compared with Standard Servicing Schedule (12 months/12,500 miles), with the variable servicing either switched off at PDI or subsequently, by request from the owner. In particular, owners' who experienced problems with the display showing an 'A' Service due, even though a previous oil and filter change was carried out in less than 12 months/12,500 miles and where the dealer advised that the recommendation from Honda was to deactivate the variable servicing system and revert to standard annual servicing.
Once I get permission back from Honda I will publish their report here.
Many thanks
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2898 on December 02, 2011, 11:56:59 PM
Well, my 2009 ES does not have it switched on, it was a honda dealer car too! i will be servicing it once a year as i have done with many other hondas i have owned over the years, as i dont do that many miles these days (8k a year) only when the engine has gone past the 100k mark i would consider changing the oil twice a year with my current annual mileage... my sister in law has a 10 plate EX model and hers had 3 services within the first 18 months which is ridiculous as she does not do much more than i do mileage wise. Honda engines are designed to last, and i find the service reminders totally unjust and a waste of time, honda need to get rid of this system and go back to mileage/whatever comes first system. As the one thing i have always loved about the brand is that once the car comes out of warranty, you can always do D.I.Y servicing if you are planning on keeping the car, with no fancy tools needed or stuff to reset like on many manufacturers.... lets hope honda listen to what the owners require... they usually do!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Top Down on December 03, 2011, 06:51:16 AM
Just to put this in perspective:
Honda are not the only manufacturers to have a variable service system. I've had BMW's and VW's with this and just ignored them and did the regular annual servicing, which always took place at the same time as the MOT, getting the garage to reset the light at that point.

I don't know why people are getting so hung up on it.  :P

As I said before HONDA THEMSELVES SWITCH THIS OFF so I don't think the sky's going to fall on anyone who ignores it or requests the system be turned off (and for the third time - that includes Honda themselves!) whether they be the first, second or thirty-second owner.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rabiedmushroom on December 03, 2011, 01:40:21 PM

I don't know why people are getting so hung up on it.  :P
I appreciate your comments, but if I'd had to pay separately for (now) my ELEVEN services (incl parts and labour) in the less than 3 years/58,000 miles, it would have cost me a £fortune. To put that in perspective, have you taken your GE in for 3 services since this topic was started on here - cus I have!!  :(

The variable system wouldn't have been designed and rolled out to production unless the manufacturer thought it would benefit the car. Its there to monitor and be used to get best long term performance and maintenance standards, not simply turned off as a quick fix. It is a problem that needs addressing.

And I'm really peeved at Honda. I've written to Lewis Tingle in October, chased up for a reply since, then phoned customer services earlier this week only for them to say he's been on paternal leave (surely someone else could have passed my query on to deal with). Its the only time Honda customer services have let me down. Its good to know someone else is looking into this, they'll be getting another call on Monday, I'm wound up now and my local dealership is similarly bemused.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1370 on December 03, 2011, 10:29:56 PM
I am at present in email contact with Mr Richard Clissold, Honda (UK) Customer Technical Adviser
Richard.Clissold@honda-eu.com who my complaint was passed to by Mr Lewis Tingle, Team Leader, Customer Relations (Cars).
He has been very helpful and obtained a report on problems with the SVRS system from Honda's R&D department. I have asked him if I can post this on the forum and he is checking if this will be okay, as it is copywrite protected.
I feel that if anybody wants this information, which is not generally available and cannot be reproduced here, they should contact him via email.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest907 on December 05, 2011, 12:18:59 AM
With mixed round town (up to an hour travelling) and motorway journeys (200 miles each way) service reminder kept changing from A to B and back again then told me service required at 9,000 miles.

Went to 12mths/12.5K miles and reminder system switched off at first service. Will be much cheaper over my 2 years 50K miles.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Rory on December 26, 2011, 08:00:47 PM
All the SvRS complaints are putting me off buying a used 2009/2010 Jazz. Even Honda’s Approved Used Car Service Plan puts me off. It says ‘If your vehicle is equipped with the SvRS, we can't include additional interim A services for oil and filter changes in the plan.’


What that means is that they'll do services as the SvRS calls for them, but they won't do extra oil & filter changes inbetween services.    These extra oil changes are common on Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc which will, depending on type of use, go to 20K miles between services so some owners like to get an inbetween oil & filter change.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on December 26, 2011, 11:45:25 PM
i got my first service in march, my indicator was never switched on and i want to be on the 12 month/12500 service plan. I hope I dont encounter any problems when I visit the dealer and tell them what i want.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2662 on December 27, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
i asked my dealer to turn it of, last week no problem, now on twelve month interval servicing.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Garyman on January 09, 2012, 10:47:01 AM
This ones a new one for me.....

Pretty sure I'm on the yearly service schedule/reminder- which is around March time.

Anyways, between xmas and NY, the service indicator showed that a service was due and then started counting - (negative) miles since service was due. The computer had the sign "AB7" and it would come on every time I turned the engine.

Got a bit sick of it coming on so called my local honda dealer who said they will just reset it so popped down to see them and it was literally a 2 min job for them to do this.

Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on January 30, 2012, 05:37:17 PM
just booked my service for march and the dealer knew all about people wanting to go to the 12 month 12,500 service after having their reminder switched off
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1521 on April 09, 2012, 12:51:26 PM
If an independent garage services, can they reset the variable service computer to 'zero'? Or is it only the Honda dealer who has the 'tool' to do that at each service?

When warranty ends I'll be very inclined to take my GE Jazz away from expensive dealer servicing, take it to an independent garage for servicing... and perhaps some DIY.

My variable service 'thingy' has been OK (luckily) but if I move away from the Honda dealer I presume I'll have to get it disabled which I would be reluctant to do. Nonetheless I'd get it disabled rather than suffer OTT dealer servicing costs.

Anyone know the 'ins and outs' of this and know for sure if a typical indie can 'zero' it at each service?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest2898 on April 09, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
Before the warranty ends and when the car is next in, just ask them to switch the variable service system off.. i know people who have asked and they have done it with no problem, just say to them that you wish to go onto yearly/mileage service schedule as laid out in the manual.. mine is turned off on my 59 plate jazz, i have already started using my local garage for servicing using genuine honda parts which keeps the warranty intact, it cost me £89 for a oil (fully synthetic) oil filter, washer, and air filter service.. and they also did me a brand new bridgestone tyre for £66 balanced and fitted, so only £155 for a full years ownership of the jazz.. im a happy man! incidently, my neighbour has just bought a brand new jazz 1.4 EX-L and there is no variable service computer turned on in it... and he never asked for it to be turned off... maybe honda are going back to mileage/time related servicing again, which suits these engines fine in my opinion...  ;D
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest774 on May 14, 2012, 07:17:46 PM
I've just bought an 11 month old ES CVT, 1600miles with a 3/4year service package.
I need to decide whether to use fixed or variable BEFORE I have the first service this month.
Apparently if i start with variable I can't switch to fixed with the free servicing.
I  imagine the car will do 6000-8000 miles annually, any advice/experience would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: caseyjones on May 14, 2012, 10:00:13 PM
My 2010 EX had already been set to fixed before I bought it, so I don't have any direct personal experience of this issue, but from what I've read on here and elsewhere, I reckon the variable servicing system is a bit of a gimmick and doesn't work very well. A lot of people report that oil and filter changes are being demanded ridiculously frequently by the computer. I believe some Honda dealers have been known to admit that it was designed to operate rather on the pessimistic side. (By the way, don't forget that it's only the oil and filter change interval that is variable - everything else is done on a fixed time or mileage basis, regardless of what system you adopt.) So, it's up to you, but I think the general consensus will be to stick to the tried and tested fixed interval routine.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest516 on May 15, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
I'm running an 09 EX i-shift & I am happy with having services as indicated by the computer
After all I've 5 years servicing free - well it did cost around £500 on the deal in February 09
I've been well looked after by my local Honda team & love the i-shift. Yes I think its very good much against 'popular' opinion. ;D
mpg works out as an average week in week out 46mpg from short 1-2 mile shopping, 25 mile journey in 40 mins across the Trough of Bowland a hilly route, 30 mile M way to Manchester, mixed roads to Leeds.
All enjoyable & at a good pace.
Has taken us on yearly 3000 mile trips to France & back loaded (as only a Jazz can be 8) 8)
Satisfied !! yes you could say that !
Changed from original Dunlops at 25k to Continentals They really hang on when cornering. ::)
 Enjoy your Jazz I certainly do
Regards Oui oui or Noddy
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: eljuero on May 15, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
My Jazz 2009 is set to variable servicing and it works ok. The mileage I get between services is almost the same everytime, around 17k km.  Not 20k km though.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest774 on May 15, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
Thanks for the replies.
I'd been told by someone at the Honda garage that originally supplied the car that it was set up for variable.
The service preference form I have states that the first owner requested fixed (annual).
As he has passed away I can't verify this.
Also I can't scroll through to find the service countdown/due display so I assume it has been disabled?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: caseyjones on May 15, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
If the service preference form says fixed and you can't find any countdown on the display, it must have been set to fixed, which rather resolves the issue, as once disabled, the variable system cannot be reinstated.

I had exactly the same experience when I bought my second-hand EX. I puzzled for ages why I couldn't get the display to show me what I was expecting to see, until I found the preference form and saw that the original owner had chosen the fixed-interval system.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Downsizer on May 18, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
I suggest that with an annual mileage of 6k to 8k miles, fixed annual servicing will be ideal.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: jamesdean on May 18, 2012, 07:32:59 PM
I change Oil + filter at a little over 5k miles.  The literature suggests changing the plugs at 62.5k miles I noticed a slight meander in tick-over revs and changed mine at C43k miles, tick-over now perfect.  My milage is very similar to the respondant with the EX i-Shift. Mine is '09 ES i-Shift with now 53k up.  The i-Shift is really great, warm-up carefully and keep the Mitchellin H's at precise pressure for clean changes, allowing me to down-shift (often twice ) into corners or down hills.
Looking forward to the next three years.
Cheers,  JD
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3250 on May 28, 2012, 02:12:41 PM
I had the variable service turned off by the local Honda Garage I got it from
I only do 6 - 8K miles a year - so I will just get it serviced once a year
But - I am guessing I could leave it a little longer...???
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: DV on May 28, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I`m servicing my car myself and done oil changes every 12.5k miles. Now I`ve got 100k in the clock and from now on I`ll change oil every 8-10k miles. Every year I`ve driven at least 14k miles so the annually oil change would be no good anyway.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3250 on May 28, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
How times have changed - and so has Oil technology - I used to service my own cars and
do the oil and Filter every 3K miles - back then even the best was breaking down at 2Kmiles
Also engine technology is way superior these days
However - I stopped doing my servicing several years back  - most cars need a computer to
service it. Plus, I cannot be bothered any more  ;)
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: LJs JAZZ on November 03, 2012, 10:30:46 PM
Bought my new jazz in October 2011, on picking up the car the dealer said they would contact me when its first service was due, in 12 months.
On getting home and reading through the handbook I noticed the section regarding the display on the on-board computer,which would indicate when a service was due.
No display has appeared, and the dealer did contact me at 12 months to arrange the first service, the car has done 8000 miles.
I asked the service manager about the lack of display on the computer, and he said they do not activate it when doing the pre delivery checks  as it is more trouble than it is worth!
Have asked a colleague at work who bought a jazz from the same dealer a month later than me and the same applies I wonder how many dealers are doing this
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: monkeydave on November 04, 2012, 01:17:28 AM
i asked for mine to be switched off when i bought mine and on its first service (same as you at 8000 miles) i said im on the 12,000 miles or 12 months service schedule and they were ok with it like they get a lot of people doing it

i only like the car going in once per year and after 3 years they do a service and mot so it suits me better as i cant spare the time keep taking it in with an A service and then a few weeks later with a B service
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Ozzie on November 04, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
The service indicator comes on at about 11,000 miles then stays on for 1500 miles, each time you start the engine it reminds you that it needs servicing. When I ordered my HS I asked for the service indicator to be turned off, but it wasn't however it was turned off on the first service.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3250 on November 06, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
While it may be a good idea for anyone who has not the foggiest about looking after a car
I feel the variable service thingy is a waste of time and so I asked them to turn it off!
I will have my car serviced once a year - even though I do less miles than required
I do about 6K miles - a little more sometimes at the moment as I make trips to see my son at University -
but that's about it.
It can't do any harm to have it serviced a bit before time  - but I would be concerned if I was dong more miles.

In the old days (way back when!!) I used to do an oil change every 3000 miles - but oils used to break down a lot quicker back then.
I still keep a close check - so far this car doesn't seem to use any oil - but I will still keep checking...
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Alan on November 06, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
My dealer asked me if I wanted it turned off before I took delivery of the car. The answer was "yes please"  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3196 on November 07, 2012, 09:51:13 AM
My dealer advised against the variable servicing and to go with the usual annual service schedule
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: LJs JAZZ on November 08, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
Further to my original post regarding variable servicing,I have been looking through the service book
for my Jazz.
In section10 , service schedule page 40 there is a box that must be stamped by the dealer if the service
reminder system is deactivated.
Mine has not been stamped, indeed the supplying dealer gave no indication that they deactivate this
system routinely.
Has anyone had there book stamped on page 40 if system deactivated?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3196 on November 09, 2012, 10:03:11 AM
Mine wasn't stamped. I got the dealer to do it when I took the car in for a service. They checked their records and confirmed that the variable servicing had been turned off from day one. My Jazz is an ex demonstrator.

Checking for used HX Hybrid's on Honda's site , there's only one available in the whole country, so I was lucky to get the specification I wanted. I like my toys.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3250 on November 09, 2012, 11:36:55 PM
Got mine stamped when I asked them to do it!
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest1272 on November 11, 2012, 10:23:45 AM
I can't remember if I got the book stamped but I seem to remember signing some form of disclaimer saying that I realise that once turned off, variable servicing can no longer be turned on again (fine by me).

I'm also someone who simply hasn't got the time to return multiple times a year for checks and whatnot - that's why I bought the Jazz in the first place - trouble free motoring which means I spend LESS time at the dealership not more...


Sent from my iThingy using Tapathingy
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3250 on November 11, 2012, 12:50:24 PM
I think that is maybe an untruth you were told - they told me it could be turned on - but there was no point
in my opinion...
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3792 on January 16, 2013, 07:31:46 PM
Excuse me for jumping into this thread but it was the most relevant. I tried starting a new thread but, as a new member, it was stuck awaiting approval and I need to make a decision. The below is copied from the thread I was attempting to start...

Hi,

I've just bought a 2009 1.4 ES, although not from a Honda dealer. The dealership (Kia) who sold it to me offered me a 3 year servicing plan, paid monthly, at a cost of £536. After picking up the car today I drove to my local Honda dealer to pick up a spacesaver spare wheel I had ordered (don't trust cans of gunk!) and whilst there I had a chat with their service department about the cost of a service plan with them. It came in at around £850.
So following on from that I was wondering whether these plans are worthwhile, is it worth paying more for the one from the Honda dealer, is it better to just pay as I go, should I stick with my local independent who serviced my previous car, a Mondeo that I virtually ran into the ground?
The car has done 25k so far and I do around 15k a year. The plan at present is to keep it for around 5 years. Any advice would be most welcome. Anything to do with cars leaves me feeling well out of my comfort zone.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: chrisc on January 16, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
£850 for a service plan seems quite good value, if

1)  It is a 5 year or 60000 mile plan. 
2)  It covers everything except tyres and consumables

How does this service plan differ from a Motorplan as it is called with a new car?  A 5 year motorplan extension for a 3 year old Honda is the equivalent of £1050 but has very few exclusions

If the service plan is only for 3 years, then you need to ascertain exactly what is and what is not covered.  For instance, is a replacement battery covered, air-con regas, brake pads renewal, etc?  Try and compare the cost of regular replacement of these components over the period of the service plan to see whether it is financially worth while.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: guest3792 on January 16, 2013, 08:30:48 PM
Judging by the print out he gave me it is basically 3 services, covering not quite 3 years because of my projected mileage, one of the services being a major. Don't think it covers anything else which is why, to me, it seems a bit dear. But then I have no previous experience of Honda servicing.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: stiggysawdust on March 10, 2013, 04:34:06 PM
Excuse me for jumping into this thread but it was the most relevant. I tried starting a new thread but, as a new member, it was stuck awaiting approval and I need to make a decision. The below is copied from the thread I was attempting to start...

Hi,

I've just bought a 2009 1.4 ES, although not from a Honda dealer. The dealership (Kia) who sold it to me offered me a 3 year servicing plan, paid monthly, at a cost of £536. After picking up the car today I drove to my local Honda dealer to pick up a spacesaver spare wheel I had ordered (don't trust cans of gunk!) and whilst there I had a chat with their service department about the cost of a service plan with them. It came in at around £850.
So following on from that I was wondering whether these plans are worthwhile, is it worth paying more for the one from the Honda dealer, is it better to just pay as I go, should I stick with my local independent who serviced my previous car, a Mondeo that I virtually ran into the ground?
The car has done 25k so far and I do around 15k a year. The plan at present is to keep it for around 5 years. Any advice would be most welcome. Anything to do with cars leaves me feeling well out of my comfort zone.

Lucky escape, you could have bought a Kia!
See this page on Honda website, it may help.
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/partsandservicing/tailoredserviceplan/
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: culzean on March 10, 2013, 08:13:05 PM
If i have learnt anything with my long time driving cars it is that dealer servicing is the biggest rip-off ever.

Most of the things say 'check and replace if required' - well guess what, most of the bits don't seem to need replacing when they check them.   Just keep a decent oil in your engine and change regularly,  fit iridium spark plugs and forget about them for 60K, and just keep an eye on brake pads and tyres, modern manual gearbox oils don't wear out.  All my cars have done extended mileages ( I cover about 25K a year, which would mean 2 services a year) and never had them dealer serviced and never had a bit of bother.   I have a Civic now,  but when I bought my Jazz 1.4 iDSI from a Honda main dealer nearly 3 years old with full HONDA  service history the car had only done about 14K,  but the air filter was minging and the oil filter was the rustiest I have ever seen, and had obviously never been changed since new - - -  'full service history', not worth the paper it is written on.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: olduser1 on March 12, 2013, 01:19:48 PM
Owners may choose to supply air oil filters and oil themselves most dealers usually will accept OE spec parts, saving can be substantial over 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Hora on July 20, 2017, 10:22:35 AM
I've just bought a 2011 ES model and in the history it has 5 main dealer stamps and further on in the book it has numerous 'SRVS disabled' stamped. This sounds like it was disabled from new (car was on 5 years fixed plan servicing) and the stamps merely confirm that this is right? nothing sinister?
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: JohnAlways on July 20, 2017, 10:51:25 AM
Hi Hora
The service reminder can be turned off by the dealer if not required by the customer.
High milage cars (company cars) benefit as the users are told when a service is due.
Those doing fewer miles say 8K a year can get there service done annually say MOT time. Good for the dealer who can service and MOT all in one with a guaranteed value added charge.

It's my understanding if the service reminder is disabled it is not possible for it to be re-enabled.
Correct me if wrong as that is from memory but I think I have remembered that one right.
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Hora on July 20, 2017, 11:03:46 AM
That's not a problem as I prefer annual servicing anyway. Thank you
Title: Re: Fixed or Variable Servicing?
Post by: Brian_I on July 27, 2018, 04:26:38 PM
I'm not sure what mine is! (a 2013  Jazz 1.4 i-VTEC ES Plus 5dr). Can't seem to bring up miles left till next service yet either using the sel / reset butt on the steering wheel.

The Ford dealer I bought the car from used, said he would forward on the service book once he found it.....   ::) Not too concerned though, as I got the car for a good price compared to similar aged / mileage Jazzes.