With the Mk4 there is no choice, the auto headlight system will put the headlights on, and you can't override the system.
He's right, the 4 has mandatory front lights.On the MK4, do the driving lights always include the rear lights?
There is an off position but it's spring loaded and as soon as you start to move the dipped or DRL come on.
He's right, the 4 has mandatory front lights.
There is an off position but it's spring loaded and as soon as you start to move the dipped or DRL come on.
Double checking: On the MK4 Jazz, is it possible to be driving in poor visibility conditions with only the Daytime Driving, (front) Lights on?No, headlights will always be On And cannot be overridden (On/Off switch is spring loaded to On.)
Double checking: On the MK4 Jazz, is it possible to be driving in poor visibility conditions with only the Daytime Driving, (front) Lights on?No, headlights will always be On And cannot be overridden (On/Off switch is spring loaded to On.)
The sensor can put the lights On, even in sunlight in the right circumstances ,(ie shadows etc )
Double checking: On the MK4 Jazz, is it possible to be driving in poor visibility conditions with only the Daytime Driving, (front) Lights on?No, headlights will always be On And cannot be overridden (On/Off switch is spring loaded to On.)
The sensor can put the lights On, even in sunlight in the right circumstances ,(ie shadows etc )
P.191 of the online manual seems to describe this:
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_e3c/file.res/23%20JAZZ%20HEV%20SSS%20(KE%20KG)-32TZA6210_01_web_compressed.pdf
"The lights will turn on automatically depending on the ambient brightness"
He's right, the 4 has mandatory front lights.
There is an off position but it's spring loaded and as soon as you start to move the dipped or DRL come on.
Are you saying the Mk4 Jazz headlights are always on when the car is moving? That's definitely different to the Mk3, which has lights controlled by a sensor. I'm sure I've seen Mk4s with DRLs only. Mk3 lighting modes:
Car moving in daylight: front DRLs on, no rear lights. Can manually select sidelights or headlights if required in poor visibility which overrides DRLs and turns on rear lights.
Car moving in rain: dipped headlights and rear lights come on.
Car moving at night: front headlights on (dipped or full beam depending on auto high beam system), rear lights on. Can't turn lights off, spring-loaded switch always returns to auto position.
So the Mk4 is different and is always in night-time mode?
Yes. When I climb in mine, in daylight hours, but in the darker garage, as soon as I powerup the dipped beam and tail lights come on due to the dash top sensor deciding I need front and rear lights.
I can then use the spring loaded twist switch to turn them fully off. But, as soon as I select drive they come on again.
Scenario 2 is the dipped lights come on as before but I don't turn them off and electrically open the garage door. As soon as the brighter light is detected the dipped beam changes to DRL.
Hope that makes sense.
Double checking: On the MK4 Jazz, is it possible to be driving in poor visibility conditions with only the Daytime Driving, (front) Lights on?The answer is yes, it is possible if the wipers aren’t operating (or if you’ve turned off that linkage) and if the light level is strong enough not to trigger the sensor (as it might be in mist or fog). I suspect that’s no different on other marques, so reliance on “the computer always turns the lights on” is likely to be a reason you see modern cars with only DRLs in poor conditions. Older cars without the automation will still rely on the driver having his/her brain switched on, which is not always the case.
... many modern cars had front driving lights on only. ... I'm pretty sure that most drivers had no idea they had no rearlight when the little telltale in the dashboard is lit.The dashboard telltale will come on when the headlights &/or position lights, and taillights, are on, not when the car is only showing DRLs.
When I climb in mine, in daylight hours, but in the darker garage, as soon as I powerup the dipped beam and tail lights come on due to the dash top sensor deciding I need front and rear lights.
I can then use the spring loaded twist switch to turn them fully off. But, as soon as I select drive they come on again.
Scenario 2 is the dipped lights come on as before but I don't turn them off and electrically open the garage door. As soon as the brighter light is detected the dipped beam changes to DRL.
Hope that makes sense.
At the rear the sensor decides whether the tail lights are on or off, you have no choice.
This thread has now gravitated to the newer Jazz. Many cars with DLRs do not have auto lights, or have the facility to switch the auto off. These are often the culprits. They have DLRs to the front and nothing to the rear often in fog and sometimes even after dark in town.Exactly. I'm sure most of those drivers are not aware of having no rear lights.
This thread has now gravitated to the newer Jazz. Many cars with DLRs do not have auto lights, or have the facility to switch the auto off. These are often the culprits. They have DLRs to the front and nothing to the rear often in fog and sometimes even after dark in town.Exactly. I'm sure most of those drivers are not aware of having no rear lights.
... reliance on “the computer always turns the lights on” is likely to be a reason you see modern cars with only DRLs in poor conditions. Older cars without the automation will still rely on the driver having his/her brain switched on, which is not always the case.
In the old days you knew your lights were off because the Smiths dials were dark.
Or if you had a Rover 2000 the little protruding plastic lenses wern't illuminated.
Which is why manufacturers thoughtfully provide an indicator on the dashboard that lights up when your lights are on. But hey, who even knows what those funny little symbols mean.So, to check, when DRL's are on, there is no telltale on the cars display?
So, to check, when DRL's are on, there is no telltale on the cars display?
I am happy to understand what the automation on my car does; my wife however is not; it's all too much trouble for her. I suppose the fact it's not fully automated is a problem for some people; the driver needs to understand the automation and when to use it. I'm going to try again to get her to understand about Daytime Running Lights that have no back lights; wish me luck :-[
But hey, who even knows what those funny little symbols mean.
So, to check, when DRL's are on, there is no telltale on the cars display?
I am happy to understand what the automation on my car does; my wife however is not; it's all too much trouble for her. I suppose the fact it's not fully automated is a problem for some people; the driver needs to understand the automation and when to use it. I'm going to try again to get her to understand about Daytime Running Lights that have no back lights; wish me luck :-[
Tell her not to worry and just allow the Mk4 to control the lights by leaving it in the Auto position.
So, to check, when DRL's are on, there is no telltale on the cars display?
We seem to have returned to the first post. I'm worried after I saw cars driving in heavy rain with no rear lights that my wife may not realise that she has no rear lights.
We seem to have returned to the first post. I'm worried after I saw cars driving in heavy rain with no rear lights that my wife may not realise that she has no rear lights.