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Title: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 23, 2017, 05:08:14 PM
I heard a rumour out of Munich that BMW have almost got to grips with the technology behind indicators, and they hope to fit them to their 2019 range. They will not be backwardly compatible with their current range of vehicles so these will continue to have the plastic blanks fitted to them, as at present.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 23, 2017, 06:19:37 PM
Glad I'm not the only one to notice German car indicators not working,  not only BMW though,  Audi close second.

It seems the more expensive the car the less likely to have functioning direction signals.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: VicW on August 23, 2017, 06:56:47 PM
I think that there must be a new version of the Highway Code out and in it it says that 'indicating is no longer required at roundabouts' and also ' there is no longer a give way requirement at roundabouts, just charge on and hope'.

Vic.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: guest1372 on August 23, 2017, 07:59:58 PM
But you can't operate the stalk if you've got your mobile in your left hand....

https://www.gov.uk/take-practice-theory-test   (follow links to test)
We have family members who have just taken & will shortly take this.  Try it yourself; bit annoyed that I got 49/50.
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TG
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 23, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
I did my bus licence in 2006 and had to do the full test. All the spy in the cab questions and the like. The Hazard Perception test was a pig. Once you know what they are looking for it is fine, but as an experienced driver you see hazards that the learner is not expected to react to. Both our instructors took a mock test, when it was first being introduced, and both would have failed!.
Yes, today I followed an X3 and an X5, in convoy (both black), through the town. Seven roundabouts and not a signal from either of them. The X5 even made a right turn into a side street, right in front of me, without a signal. Just brakes on at the last minute and turn. I should post my dashcam footage on YouTube, number plates and all.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: sparky Paul on August 23, 2017, 08:44:30 PM
I think that there must be a new version of the Highway Code out and in it it says that 'indicating is no longer required at roundabouts' and also ' there is no longer a give way requirement at roundabouts, just charge on and hope'.

Why do drivers treat mini roundabouts exactly the same as the Give Way junction they replaced?
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: JohnAlways on August 24, 2017, 08:58:35 AM
I did the test to TG, I didn't realise they still had to know hand signals bt at least I remembered mine. I did guess one answer about towing speed on an A road but happened to guess right as well. think I'll go back and do the lorry one now :)
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 24, 2017, 09:06:01 AM
I think that there must be a new version of the Highway Code out and in it it says that 'indicating is no longer required at roundabouts' and also ' there is no longer a give way requirement at roundabouts, just charge on and hope'.

Why do drivers treat mini roundabouts exactly the same as the Give Way junction they replaced?

My wife calls those mini-roundabouts 'fantasy islands' -  an apt name because people treat them as though they are not even there. 
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 24, 2017, 10:08:01 AM
That gets my goat too. They should all be like this mini roundabout, here in Kirkcaldy.
(http://i.imgur.com/g7kc2b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: guest5079 on August 24, 2017, 11:40:02 AM
On the subject of indicators has any one noted the ones fitted to the rear of  Peugeots?  Talk about a slit, on a bright day they are virtually invisible. How the heck did that get through Construction and Use regs?   oh I forgot Peugeot is French so being a selected member of the EU they can write to rules.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 24, 2017, 12:03:51 PM
I use my indicators all the time. It doesn't matter whether there is traffic/pedestrians or not. Day night, back of beyond or city, I signal as a matter of course. It means I don't "forget". If someone sees me it may help them. If nobody sees, where's the loss (If a tree falls in a forest............). My PCV instructor advised all of us to take that approach to signalling.
Some drivers signal for other drivers, but never give a thought for pedestrians. The poor pedestrian waiting to cross the road in the rain gets soaked, then the driver they are waiting on turns off without a signal. That gets right up my other half's back.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 24, 2017, 03:25:51 PM
On the subject of indicators has any one noted the ones fitted to the rear of  Peugeots?  Talk about a slit, on a bright day they are virtually invisible. How the heck did that get through Construction and Use regs?   oh I forgot Peugeot is French so being a selected member of the EU they can write to rules.

Noticed the same on Audi A3 - tiny little slit of an indicator,  but at least there was a light in there (even though very hard to see with brake lights on).
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 24, 2017, 06:13:32 PM
Saw a classic example of cr*p driving today. A police traffic car was ahead of me going into a busy, local roundabout. No indicators. He was sitting well out to the centre of the road and my intention was to pull up on his nearside, as I was turning left. As I closed on him a gap in the traffic materialised - and he turned left! And if I had pulled up alongside him I'd have been all the silly b*ggers at best, and producing my documents at worst.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: sparky Paul on August 24, 2017, 07:50:35 PM
These days, it's not very often you go out and fail to see something either stupid, or downright dangerous.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: RichardA on August 24, 2017, 08:27:07 PM
I notice Audi now fit pulsing indicators to some models, maybe the logic behind it is to encourage Audi drivers to indicate to show off their fancy indicators. Good for other road users, good for Audi drivers' egos...win-win. ;)

I witnessed some poor driving a few weeks back. The car in front was turning left into a side road and I was continuing along the main road. The Mercedes SLK behind overtook me using the right turn box just as I was about to accelerate after the car in front turned off.  It was only by sheer luck none of the vehicles coming the other way intended to enter this box to turn right.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 24, 2017, 08:58:25 PM
I won't knock anything that encourages drivers of German staff cars to treat other road users with consideration (even for the wrong reasons) rather than the almost utter contempt we have come to expect.

Just wondering if autonomous Jerry cars will have Deutschland uber alles v1.0 software that is capable of 'bullying' other vehicles, just to keep continuity if nothing else.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: guest5079 on August 25, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
I know it's a touch off beam but I have noticed that the standard of police driving is going downhill. Sorry to bleat off but my Chief Constable made us ALL obtain a permit BEFORE we drove a marked police car. A four week course was mandatory, even if you were lucky enough to get a permit before the course. The reason? Not to waste money BUT so that each officer was in a position to criticise  and report bad driving. How on earth can a copper stand up in court give evidence of bad driving when the copper's driving could well be worse than the poor sob in court. It seems that as money is tight police driver standards are one of the things that has been a victim of saving money.
Why do our traffic patrols drive BMW's? Do the Bremahavern Moteur Vorken or what ever their crap name is give a massive discount to buy their rubbish. Cynic Cynic!!!!!
I notice government cars are BMW as well. Even a common Ford would be a bit? more patriotic at least some of it is made in Blighty.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 25, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
I too have noticed that the standard of police driving has gone downhill recently as well. They also park where they like.  If they are on a job, fine. Put their blue lights on if they have to park on a kerb or a corner, but not for the "bun run".
As a footnote to that, for a spell a few years back, only Fife's traffic cars had sirens. The vans and Panda cars didn't. The reason was that they were using the sirens to get back to the station for their breaks and to finish their shifts!
Now that it is Police Scotland, if you make an emergency call from John O Groats you get through to a call centre in Dundee (at least it is not Mumbai) and they send a car from Glasgow! Unless they misplace your call and then someone dies in a wreck at the side of the motorway.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: RichardA on August 28, 2017, 08:51:00 PM
Vauxhall Insignias are the worst driven cars on the road, technically though it's still a German car. Nissan appear to be the worst single make, they cover all bases from dawdlers (Micra/Note) to the aggressive (Navara pickup).

Why do our traffic patrols drive BMW's? Do the Bremahavern Moteur Vorken or what ever their crap name is give a massive discount to buy their rubbish. Cynic Cynic!!!!!
I notice government cars are BMW as well. Even a common Ford would be a bit? more patriotic at least some of it is made in Blighty.

I going to make an educated guess that it's down to residuals and a flexible factory ordering system, allowing the Police to specify a suitably large enough estate body with a big six cylinder diesel, sporty suspension and base spec. That and the large mainstream car has all but been killed off so alternatives are thin on the ground.

There was brief love affair with Volvos back in the late 90s/early 2000s after the switch towards estate cars, that appeared to snuff out though. Lots of stories of the Police stockpiling Rover SD1 V8s in the mid 80s and Vauxhall Senator 24vs a decade later after production ended. Vauxhall Omega never achieved the same status (and still 'German'), the Rover 75 estate was probably too little too late.

BMW have an engine plant here in the UK like Ford, not sure what engines are made here.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 28, 2017, 09:05:36 PM
Vauxhall Insignias are the worst driven cars on the road, technically though it's still a German car.

BMW have an engine plant here in the UK like Ford, not sure what engines are made here.

I think a lot of insignias are company vehicles, and yes they are driven aggressively

The Hams Hall BMW engine plant just outside Birmingham is supposed to make 4 cylinder engines

Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: Jocko on August 28, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
I thinks a great deal of police vehicles come down to suitability followed by price. If it is a performance estate they want they buy the cheapest that fills the bill. And the big manufacturers go out of their way to meet that price point. For the likes of BMW it is the cheapest advertising they can buy. When my brother was an inspector with Fife Police they would get brilliant cars to test out, but they knew they would never be priced to be compatible with those the big manufacturers wanted to push, so they would just be enjoyed then returned.
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: culzean on August 29, 2017, 09:05:51 AM
BMW are some of the least reliable, most maintenance intensive vehicles around these days (bikes and cars),  love the comment of a German on a biker forum,  he said "In Germany we pronounce it Bee Em Troubleyou"
Title: Re: Update from German manufacture.
Post by: pb82gh3 on August 29, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
BMW have just come = bottom in the latest JD Power dependability survey.