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culzean

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2021, 02:14:57 PM »
Two cases now detected in the UK

Stable door and bolting horses spring to mind.....

Looks like another lockdown,  just in time for Christmas. 
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2021, 04:15:25 PM »
Boris briefing at 17:00

At the very least they should mandate masks in all public enclosed places.
Let's be careful out there!

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2021, 08:40:47 PM »
The mendacity and greed of big pharma ( yes I mean you Pfizer with your overpriced products ) never ceases to amaze me.  There is an existing anti-viral drug available for £0.05 per dose and Pfizer come up with a much less effective one for an eye watering £340 per dose... the difference is that Ivermectin is out of patent ( so not much money to be made ) but Pfizer have dreamed up a similar but less broadly acting one that they can patent and make huge profits out of gullible governments for the next 20 years.  Would not surprise me to find out that Pfizer were funding Wuhan lab to make a virus that they were already working on a vaccine for - loadsa money.....

Beware cheap untested wonder cure promoted by right wing organisations.
Ivermectin is an antiparasitic medication.[6][7] Parasitic infestations in humans include head lice, scabies, river blindness (onchocerciasis), strongyloidiasis, trichuriasis, ascariasis, and lymphatic filariasis.[6][8][9][10] In veterinary medicine, the medication is used to prevent and treat heartworm and acariasis, among other indications.[9] Ivermectin works through many mechanisms of action that result in the death of the targeted parasites;[6] it can be taken by mouth or applied to the skin for external infestations.[6][11]
During the COVID-19 pandemic, misinformation has been widely spread claiming that ivermectin is beneficial for treating and preventing COVID-19.[20][21] Such claims are not backed by credible scientific evidence.[22][23] Research into its use is ongoing, and multiple major health organizations, including the Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Centers for Disease Control, the European Medicines Agency, and the World Health Organization have stated that ivermectin is not authorized or approved to treat COVID-19.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

The preprint endorsing ivermectin as a coronavirus therapy has been widely cited, but independent researchers find glaring discrepancies in the data
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

The health authorities in the US, UK and EU have found there is insufficient evidence for using the drug against Covid, but thousands of supporters, many of them anti-vaccine activists, have continued to vigorously campaign for its use.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809

I must admit I didn't watch all the video or understand much of what I watched but I found the demonstration with scissors and sellotape unconvincing.
The structures of the two drugs he was comparing were completely different and just because the two structures had functional groups  in common did not mean that the drugs would have the same effect.
What other effects might the other parts of the structures have?

Edit Just spent the last half hour watching his next video on checking the fact checkers and I'm still not convinced
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dr+John+Campbell+alternative+facts&docid=608042634855844385&mid=0194B934436EF32BB6510194B934436EF32BB651&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
There's a lot of damage been done by people taking ivermectin (particularly in animal doses)
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
Clinical trials are necessary



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culzean

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2021, 09:33:40 AM »
AZ vaccine was demonised in an orchestrated smear campaign ( despite similar or worse side effects in other vaccines, which were not widely published, maybe money changes hands ? ) because it was 'too cheap' - this meant it was affecting the market share and hence the bottom line of people like Pfizer.  The same will happen with Ivermectin, studies in Israel last year ( double blind trials ) showed that Ivermectin was effective in reducing severity and length of symptoms, and maybe just as importantly reducing the ability of patients to infect others.....
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2021, 09:46:02 AM »
England is “nowhere near” introducing tougher Covid restrictions, Sajid Javid says, despite the return of mask-wearing and PCR tests for travellers.

The health secretary rejected stricter curbs – such as social distancing, or a working from home rule – arguing they “carry a very heavy price” and are not necessary now, despite the arrival of the Omicron variant.

What's so f*******  heavy about social distancing, more mask wearing  and working from home where possible except that it sounds like Plan B.

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2021, 09:53:11 AM »
I agree Jim.  The government seems to be hell bent on trying to please the populous by pussy footing around the periphery while other countries are closing their borders.  Will they never learn?  We have worn masks and social distanced throughout the pandemic and we haven't yet grown two heads.

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2021, 09:56:32 AM »
  The same will happen with Ivermectin, studies in Israel last year ( double blind trials ) showed that Ivermectin was effective in reducing severity and length of symptoms, and maybe just as importantly reducing the ability of patients to infect others.....
https://www.newsweek.com/ivermectin-covid-treatment-study-flawed-scientists-1627109

At least Israel has now closed all its borders.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-59448547?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2021, 10:07:16 AM »
  The same will happen with Ivermectin, studies in Israel last year ( double blind trials ) showed that Ivermectin was effective in reducing severity and length of symptoms, and maybe just as importantly reducing the ability of patients to infect others.....
https://www.newsweek.com/ivermectin-covid-treatment-study-flawed-scientists-1627109


Yup,  all the hallmarks of a media smear campaign similar to the one against AZ vaccine... Never underestimate the aggressive reaction of big pharma to anything that may affect their profits.  Pfizer has been fined more than any other pharma company for dodgy trials and releasing dangerous drugs onto the market,  fines are in the multi-billion dollar area. 
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2021, 10:31:06 AM »
It would be great if it did work but more trials are necessary and it should not be seen as a substitute for vaccination.

Despite claims of a conspiracy against ivermectin, Griffin points out that researchers are continuing to study it and other repurposed drugs for COVID. There are at-home randomized placebo-controlled clinical trials underway, including the COVID-OUT trial, the ACTIV-6 study and the U.K.-based PRINCIPLE trial.

“I would love for ivermectin to work. Just prove it,” Forman says. But even if we have an effective treatment for a disease, that does not negate the need for a vaccine, Larson says. “We need all the tools in the toolbox,” she adds.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fringe-doctors-groups-promote-ivermectin-for-covid-despite-a-lack-of-evidence/


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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2021, 12:39:30 PM »
Seeing a lot of reports that the Omicron variant symptoms are different but much less severe then its preceding variants,  following the trend that viruses get less virulent over time..

https://nypost.com/2021/11/27/omicron-variant-symptoms-unusual-but-mild-says-south-african-doctor/
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2021, 01:00:32 PM »
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2021, 02:38:34 PM »
Seeing a lot of reports that the Omicron variant symptoms are different but much less severe then its preceding variants
I saw the SA GP talking about that this morning. It may be a godsend. If it is as mild as she said, and if it is so transmissible as they reckon, it may displace the Delta variant and allow us to get back to some sort of normality.

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2021, 04:38:39 PM »
Then again, it might not be.
Until the scientists find out it is best to be prepared for the worst. Not just cross fingers and hope for the best.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/27/boris-johnson-ignored-my-plan-to-tackle-deadly-covid-variants-senior-official

That's another new case btw.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/omicron-covid-cases-uk-latest-b1965601.html

I wonder how nany more have just walked into or through UK airports since Friday.

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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2021, 05:00:10 PM »
Then again, it might not be.
Until the scientists find out it is best to be prepared for the worst. Not just cross fingers and hope for the best.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/27/boris-johnson-ignored-my-plan-to-tackle-deadly-covid-variants-senior-official

That's another new case btw.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/omicron-covid-cases-uk-latest-b1965601.html

I wonder how nany more have just walked into or through UK airports since Friday.

'Always look on the bright side of life'........
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Re: New South African variant.
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2021, 05:41:32 PM »
Ba's on the slates noo in Essex
"Essex church-goers and KFC workers told to get PCRs amid omicron concerns

Members of a church congregation plus staff, customers and delivery workers at a KFC outlet are being told to get a PCR test for the omicron variant after it was detected in Brentwood.

Essex County Council said the targeted testing affects anyone who visited the KFC in Brentwood High Street on 19 November, between 1pm and 5pm.

The authority said it also affects people who attended Trinity Church in Pilgrims Hatch on 21 November."


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