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Title: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: John Ratsey on May 22, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
I happened to visit my dealer today (I had discovered that they had put too much oil in my HR-V at the last service!) and asked about the Mk 4 Jazz. I was told to look outside as two had arrived this morning. One each of the normal Jazz and the Crosstar. See the attached photos. I recall that May had been mentioned some months ago but that was before the virus caused disruption.

I can confirm, from measuring the distance between the bottom of the door and ground level that the Crosstar is about 3cm higher off the ground than the normal Jazz.

I can also confirm that there's no space for a spare wheel under the boot floor - just a cubby hole under the floor near the bumper.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Derkie54 on May 22, 2020, 04:46:34 PM
They look smart, not so keen on the lack of boot well for a spare wheel.
I see the Crosstar is damaged already by the drivers side spotlight surround  :(
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: richardfrost on May 22, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
They look smart, not so keen on the lack of boot well for a spare wheel.
I see the Crosstar is damaged already by the drivers side spotlight surround  :(

Not damaged. Looks like the cover for the tow eye hole is missing. Check the regular Jazz same spot.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: richardfrost on May 22, 2020, 05:03:01 PM
I happened to visit my dealer today (I had discovered that they had put too much oil in my HR-V at the last service!) and asked about the Mk 4 Jazz. I was told to look outside as two had arrived this morning. One each of the normal Jazz and the Crosstar. See the attached photos. I recall that May had been mentioned some months ago but that was before the virus caused disruption.

I can confirm, from measuring the distance between the bottom of the door and ground level that the Crosstar is about 3cm higher off the ground than the normal Jazz.

I can also confirm that there's no space for a spare wheel under the boot floor - just a cubby hole under the floor near the bumper.

I really don’t see the point of the Crosstar. Other than the ride height, styling and novelty seat cloth, it is more expensive and lower spec than the EX. I’m looking at getting an EX in 2021. Maybe an ex demo or ex short lease vehicle. 3cm ride height will make little difference to me.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: John Ratsey on May 22, 2020, 05:52:02 PM
I'll need the extra ride height of the Crosstar to stand a chance of selling it to the occupant of the front passenger seat. It also has a bit more ground clearance.

The owner's manual is available at https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_1653971839/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/2021%20Jazz%20Owner%60s%20Manual.pdf (I think we discovered this previously).

People are also likely to be worried by the lack of a hand brake lever. This was a concern when I got my HR-V but it's never been a problem and has some useful features such as automatically disengaging when power is applied to pull away.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Derkie54 on May 22, 2020, 06:46:36 PM
They look smart, not so keen on the lack of boot well for a spare wheel.
I see the Crosstar is damaged already by the drivers side spotlight surround  :(

Not damaged. Looks like the cover for the tow eye hole is missing. Check the regular Jazz same spot.

I think you're  right.....my bad  :)
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: olduser1 on May 23, 2020, 04:58:28 AM
Crosstar model = more profit, best deals on as new models likely to be found as low mileage used often ex motorbility vehicles via Motorpoint or dealerships attempting to meet UK sales targets .
These Jazz models well over priced in UK.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 25, 2020, 11:12:32 AM
Jazz now has 4 parking sensors on the front bumper, my Ex (Elegance) has only two.
The EX seems to have a sort of sensor in the middle of the front bumper, under the number plate, that's missing on the Crosstar.
EX and Crosstar have different tyres, maybe only the size is the same.
I definetly prefer the EX.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Steve_M on May 26, 2020, 01:30:39 PM

The EX seems to have a sort of sensor in the middle of the front bumper, under the number plate, that's missing on the Crosstar.


Thanks not a sensor in the middle, thats the tow eye cover - ready to be removed by the dealer and put in the hole in the bumper.
Its so it gets painted at the same time and is the same colour as the bumper.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 26, 2020, 05:36:25 PM

The EX seems to have a sort of sensor in the middle of the front bumper, under the number plate, that's missing on the Crosstar.


Thanks not a sensor in the middle, thats the tow eye cover - ready to be removed by the dealer and put in the hole in the bumper.
Its so it gets painted at the same time and is the same colour as the bumper.
The tow eye should go into the hole on the right part of the bumper both for crosstar and ex, close to the right part of the car frame.
Maybe it's part of the blind spot monitor or trafic recognizing, there are some features only for EX.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Jocko on May 26, 2020, 06:14:01 PM
The tow eye should go into the hole on the right part of the bumper both for crosstar and ex, close to the right part of the car frame.
Yes. The hole is evident and that part, temporarily attached to the number plate mount, is the blank to fit it.
They leave the mount point clear for dragging vehicles onto transporters in transit.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 27, 2020, 01:07:37 PM
I'm trying to read the tyre brand and model...
The crosstar has a set of Dunlop Enasave300, but I cannot read specs on the  EX wheel.
I've just changed my summer set, moving from the OEM Dunlop SP Sport 2030 to Continental Ecocontact 6, and I definetly prefer the OEM Dunlops..
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Jocko on May 27, 2020, 02:24:38 PM
The EX tyres finish ***th-A.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Steve_M on May 27, 2020, 02:43:22 PM
Yokohama Bluearth

https://www.yokohama-online.com/Sustainability/BluEarth
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: richardfrost on May 27, 2020, 03:02:40 PM
Definitely something Earth
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Jocko on May 27, 2020, 04:10:41 PM
Yokohama Bluearth ES32 is what I have fitted to my Jazz. So far, I am impressed.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 27, 2020, 04:47:05 PM
Yes, should be Bluearth-A https://www.yokohama-online.com/Tyres/Car-Tyres/Passenger-Car-Summer-Tyres/(product)/AE50.


Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: John Ratsey on May 27, 2020, 09:12:01 PM
I remember reading "Yokohama" but didn't take note of the rest of the name. I was a bit worried to see Dunlop on the Crosstar as some of the Dunlops fitted to some previous Jazzes had poor life expectancy compared to the Michelins fitted on other models of the same vehicle.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 28, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
I was a bit worried to see Dunlop on the Crosstar as some of the Dunlops fitted to some previous Jazzes had poor life expectancy compared to the Michelins fitted on other models of the same vehicle.
Sure, but the grip is double. You must consider that with hybrid vehicles with cvt (as toyotas and hondas), tire wear is usually very low.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Jocko on May 28, 2020, 12:09:29 PM
Sure, but the grip is double.
Great for you Italians but we drive far more sedately, here in the UK, and 99.9% of Jazz owners never get anywhere near the limit of their tyres.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 28, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
Sure, but the grip is double.
we drive far more sedately, here in the UK, and 99.9% of Jazz owners never get anywhere near the limit of their tyres.
This is a further reason to have soft tyres. Driving in "granny style" tyres will have low wear even they are soft.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: TnTkr on May 28, 2020, 06:19:30 PM
There are differencies in the tyre wear between the brands and specific tyre models. For example I have experienced Michelin to have 30 % higher kilometrage than other well known and appreciated tyre brands such as Continental or Nokian. If "granny style" driving wears less tyres than some other driving habits, there is still the same procentual difference in the kilometrage. Therefore if Michelin is 20 % more expensive than Continental, it is still cheaper in long run. Additionally, the wear rate slows down during the time as the rubber gets harder. I have experienced over 10 year old tyres to be very wear resitant. Naturally some other characteristics are not so good at that time.

My experience regarding Dunlop's wear rate is outdated, but having Dunlops in my new Jazz Dynamic, that will be seen in couple of years.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 28, 2020, 09:18:35 PM
There are differencies in the tyre wear between the brands and specific tyre models. For example I have experienced Michelin to have 30 % higher kilometrage than other well known and appreciated tyre brands such as Continental or Nokian. If "granny style" driving wears less tyres than some other driving habits, there is still the same procentual difference in the kilometrage. Therefore if Michelin is 20 % more expensive than Continental, it is still cheaper in long run. Additionally, the wear rate slows down during the time as the rubber gets harder. I have experienced over 10 year old tyres to be very wear resitant. Naturally some other characteristics are not so good at that time.

My experience regarding Dunlop's wear rate is outdated, but having Dunlops in my new Jazz Dynamic, that will be seen in couple of years.
Michelins last more than other brands, this is well known. This would be a good feature if the rubber would not get old and hard, becoming dangerous in cold or wet weather. I never keep tires with more than 5 years, even if they are not heavily worn.
My Dunlops, Sp Sport 2030 (could be the same model of your Dynamic) lasted for 3 years and 29200 miles, good mileage for my standards.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: TnTkr on May 29, 2020, 05:04:38 AM
Longer lifetime of a Michelin tyre is not achieved by sacrificing the grip or by rapid aging of the rubber.

The characteristics of the tyre change during the use both because of wear and because of change in rubber. That just has to bee taken into account when driving. It is a strong exaggeration to say, that the tyres become immediately dangerous when getting older and harder. They just change. But withing first 15 years that change is easily less significant than the difference between the different brand new tyres, provided that here is enough tread.

Personally I drive the tyres as long as they are legal and performing sufficiently. Typically this means 3-4 winters for winter tyres and 4-8 summers with summer tyres. But I have also used with driven 20+ year old tyres,  which has been in minimal use in the beginning and gone to me as used with some older car. If there is enough tread, they are still fully usable if driven with care.

By experience I know that typically in 25-30 age the tyre will get a failure in the fabrics causing first  bumping and eventually a tyre failure.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Basil on May 29, 2020, 07:40:09 AM
I've been driving for over 45 years on various brands of tyres, I had Michelin fitted to a couple of cars back in the 80's and probably haven't had them on a car since I bought my Jazz 5 years ago.

Possibly back in the day Michelin might have sacrificed a bit of grip for longer life but nowadays I think they have as much grip as any other brands, you would certainly have to drive on the edge to notice any possible difference.

I find the Michelin Energy Savers excellent all round tyres for wear, grip, noise and fuel efficiency. 
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Jocko on May 29, 2020, 08:09:40 AM
you would certainly have to drive on the edge to notice any possible difference.
I believe this to be the case with any modern tyre. For me, the prime consideration, apart from price, is noise followed by comfort. I have replaced noisy tyres with only a couple of thousand miles on them as nothing is worse than having to shout over the tyre noise
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on May 29, 2020, 09:14:59 AM
Longer lifetime of a Michelin tyre is not achieved by sacrificing the grip or by rapid aging of the rubber.

The characteristics of the tyre change during the use both because of wear and because of change in rubber. That just has to bee taken into account when driving. It is a strong exaggeration to say, that the tyres become immediately dangerous when getting older and harder. They just change. But withing first 15 years that change is easily less significant than the difference between the different brand new tyres, provided that here is enough tread.

Personally I drive the tyres as long as they are legal and performing sufficiently. Typically this means 3-4 winters for winter tyres and 4-8 summers with summer tyres. But I have also used with driven 20+ year old tyres,  which has been in minimal use in the beginning and gone to me as used with some older car. If there is enough tread, they are still fully usable if driven with care.

By experience I know that typically in 25-30 age the tyre will get a failure in the fabrics causing first  bumping and eventually a tyre failure.
I've never said that at the fifth birthday there is a kinf of click, before a tire is good, after is bad. As you rightly say, tires  just change, I only set at 5 years my personal limit for a "daily careless usage" even if my two set (summer and winter) usually get fully worn before. I also drove old cars with old tires, they can work but you have to remember that the grip on wet weather won't never be comparable to a new tire grip.
you would certainly have to drive on the edge to notice any possible difference.
Yes, true, sometimes I like to do it, it helps me to "feel the car". It must be said that in Italy temperatures can vary much more than in UK, the same car can find 50° during summer and -15°C during winter (at the ground), so it's easier to feel differences in the behaviour even in dry roads. It's well known that very cold weather is heavy for summer tires because they become hard, but also very hot grounds are heavy because the rubber becomes too soft and jelly, and the grip suffers.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: ColinB on June 01, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
Walked past my local dealers (Bath Honda) yesterday evening and there was a single MK4 on the forecourt, still with remnants of protective wrapping on it. No idea what spec it was, but the interior looked quite ritzy ... fabric insert on the steering wheel, two-tone upholstery.

Not sure about the exterior styling. I used to think my Mk3 was very "showy" ... too much chrome around the front end. But I must have got used to it, because by contrast the MK4 looks very bland. Not much to distinguish it from the many other hatchbacks out there.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: dfconnolly on June 01, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
Brochure now available to download from Honda UK website, too large a file to add here.

Very disappointing choice of colours for standard Jazz hybrid.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: TnTkr on June 02, 2020, 01:44:04 AM
Yes, that is boooring!
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: dfconnolly on June 02, 2020, 04:04:02 PM

Here is the link for downloading the Brochure and price lists for the Jazz Hybrid and Crosstar from the Honda UK Website.
 :'(
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/get-a-brochure/secure/download-post.html?model=JazzHybrid2021

As already mentioned the colours offered are really boring, the prices excessive and the options not very inspiring.

What we need now is some of the UK motor magazine journalists to get their hands on each model and get the test drive reviews out into the public domain. :'(
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Downsizer on June 03, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
The Honda dealerships are now open if anyone fancies a test drive, by appointment only I think.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: olduser1 on June 03, 2020, 12:33:44 PM
Honda must think we are made of £ -  £19k for SE spec come on, lets wait a couple of months for Motorpoint to resell almost new at £15k
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: dfconnolly on June 03, 2020, 01:11:29 PM
The Dealers may be open in England but they are NOT open here in North Wales (at least not for another 3 weeks!) and it's stay at home with no return travel of more than 5-7 miles!!!

If anybody can test drive in Engerland and post a report back here then I'm sure it would be highly appreciated.
(presuming that there are cars to test drive and not just look at in a showroom)


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Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Pine on June 03, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
The front end of the new Jazz looks a bit twee/cute for my tastes and the prices seem high for a small car, but is the price high compared to other small hybrids? The Jazz is very well specified, the top models have all the latest safety kit available at this time.  The Renault Clio hybrid and the next Yaris Hybrid will be out soon so Honda prices will have to be at the right level to be competitive.   
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: dfconnolly on June 03, 2020, 02:21:56 PM
At this stage I am seriously considering keeping our 2011 hybrid, selling our Civic Tourer EX diesel and buying a late model Toyota Corolla Touring Sport. A lot of car for the same money as top spec Jazz, more equipment, economy and a 5 year warranty!
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Post by: JazzMusic on June 03, 2020, 02:44:42 PM
The Renault Clio hybrid and the next Yaris Hybrid will be out soon so Honda prices will have to be at the right level to be competitive.
There's no way I'm going to buy a French car again. :)
The Yaris needs some additional options to keep up with the new Jazz executive. The Jazz might look 'too cute' but I kinda like it for what it is while the Yaris always looked like a little small box.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: jazzaro on June 03, 2020, 03:34:40 PM
At this stage I am seriously considering keeping our 2011 hybrid, selling our Civic Tourer EX diesel and buying a late model Toyota Corolla Touring Sport. A lot of car for the same money as top spec Jazz, more equipment, economy and a 5 year warranty!
As far I can see in Italy, the price level of this Jazz will be set exactly in the middle between a Toyota Yaris and a Toyota Corolla. I mean the real price, with promotions and discounts, not the official pricelist.
And I mean the present Yaris, because the close next generation will probably be more expensive, due to many tech and safety improvements.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: beerbelly on July 01, 2020, 03:10:56 PM
https://twitter.com/Autobears1/status/1278266147650129920?s=20
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: JazzMusic on July 01, 2020, 04:16:35 PM
Malaysia gets the Jazz in a color I'd call 'sky blue'. I hope we too.

from 0:53 on.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: csp on July 01, 2020, 04:47:53 PM
I am waiting for delivery of a White Jazz SR from stock, but would have ordered on in that bright blue on if it had been available here.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: JazzMusic on July 02, 2020, 09:21:53 AM
Same here, I didn't ordered one so far but tend to white. That blue would have been my choice but the dealer says that the colors won't change until the facelift versions. The blue available for the Crosstar doesn't match my taste.
Title: Re: Mk4 4 Jazz is reaching UK Dealers
Post by: Muldoon on July 03, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
I think I will wait a few more months until the supply of demonstrators picks up, a few just under £20,000 all EX models. The SR is my preferred choice. I don't expect many teething problems so no reason to wait a year for anything to be ironed out. The technology seems tried and tested.