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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: Lurch on January 19, 2021, 11:59:29 PM
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Hi All, Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else before. Just took delivery of my new Honda Jazz Hybrid EX and have been through the process of setting up a USB stick to update the SatNav maps. Question is does anyone know how often the maps for Honda SatNavs are updated by Garmin? Current version according to Garmin Express is 2020.10. My portable Garmin SatNav is currently on 2021.10. This suggests the Honda maps are at least a year behind the maps provided to stand alone Garmin devices.
There have been a number of new road layouts in my area which my stand alone Garmin has picked up on but not the built in Honda Satnav
Cheers :)
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AFAIK they are only updated yearly.
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Hi All, Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else before. Just took delivery of my new Honda Jazz Hybrid EX and have been through the process of setting up a USB stick to update the SatNav maps. Question is does anyone know how often the maps for Honda SatNavs are updated by Garmin? Current version according to Garmin Express is 2020.10. My portable Garmin SatNav is currently on 2021.10. This suggests the Honda maps are at least a year behind the maps provided to stand alone Garmin devices.
There have been a number of new road layouts in my area which my stand alone Garmin has picked up on but not the built in Honda Satnav
Cheers :)
The problem with built in satnavs has always been expensive and infrequent updates, with a stand alone one you can move it from car to car and they normally come with free lifetime updates. Stand alone units also can be used outside the car where phone coverage is poor.
My brother in law has a volvo with built in satnav that he has never updated, but he still blames it when it takes him the wrong way, roads are changing all the time - and the other important thing is speed limits change all the time, as do camera locations.
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The problem with built in satnavs has always been expensive and infrequent updates, with a stand alone one you can move it from car to car and they normally come with free lifetime updates. Stand alone units also can be used outside the car where phone coverage is poor.
Even stand alone units have their problems, there were a lot of unhappy TomTom users when they decided to stop issuing map updates for 'older' series units several years ago. Some of these 'older' units were only 2-3 years old at the time.
Many people are switching to apps like Sygic on a phone. As I've said before a cheap or hand-me-down android phone, a phone mount and a car charger makes a great satnav.
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You can’t beat Apple maps on CarPlay. It just works seamlessly and is always accurate and up to date. No need for anything else.
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The beauty of things like Sygic (and one or two other similar apps) is that maps are stored on the phone, and no data is required once you have it set up. You don't even need a phone SIM in.
Additionally, even without a SIM, you can still phone emergency services if you were in a real pickle.
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The Garmin doesn't have traffic info and there haven't been any updates. The mk3 used to get updates 2 or 3 times a year. I assume honda think everyone will use their phone.
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I thought the built in Garmin based SatNav had TMC RDS, same as my Honda Alpine system.
Not a patch on Garmins digital traffic, but, sadly Garmin are stopping their digital traffic in the UK in June.
They are to push their SmartLink version, via your phone, that comes from viaMichelin instead of Inrix and in my experience is not as good.
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The Garmin doesn't have traffic info and there haven't been any updates. The mk3 used to get updates 2 or 3 times a year. I assume honda think everyone will use their phone.
It's a very poor do if you've paid extra for a car with it fitted and updates aren't forthcoming. It's even worse than the TomTom debacle, you can't exactly throw it in the bin and replace it.
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My Garmin uses Smartlink and apart from occasionally not talking to the phone (don't know which is at fault), it works well.
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The mk3 used to get updates 2 or 3 times a year.
No, once a year.
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My Garmin uses Smartlink and apart from occasionally not talking to the phone (don't know which is at fault), it works well.
I've mainly used the Inrix data via the Garmin TA aerial cable. There was an outage a year or so ago so I temporarily switched to Smartlink. What I found was that I was being informed about roadworks that had long since gone, some as much as 6 months ago.
What was the main knock on problem though, especially down here near London, was that these live and obsolete roadworks were so numerous that they filled the Garmin data limit of 200. What that meant was that I wasn't receiving the normal traffic that produces the yellow and red sections.
It may have increased since but down here it was a real problem.
The count is found in Apps > Traffic > Incidents
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Hi All, Sorry if this has been answered somewhere else before. Just took delivery of my new Honda Jazz Hybrid EX and have been through the process of setting up a USB stick to update the SatNav maps. Question is does anyone know how often the maps for Honda SatNavs are updated by Garmin? Current version according to Garmin Express is 2020.10. My portable Garmin SatNav is currently on 2021.10. This suggests the Honda maps are at least a year behind the maps provided to stand alone Garmin devices.
There have been a number of new road layouts in my area which my stand alone Garmin has picked up on but not the built in Honda Satnav
Cheers :)
New Jazz e:HEV with Garmin navigation comes with 5 years free map updates the same as previous models. This is a once per year update via USB download via Garmin Express.
2021 map for Jazz is expected to be released at the end of Jan 2021
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Can I just ask something? Not trying to be funny. Why wouldn’t you just connect your phone up to either Apple CarPlay or android auto, and use the google maps or Apple maps or Waze for example. Surely this is the cheapest, simplest, most reliable option? I thought the days of dedicated sat navs and in built options were long gone.
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Can I just ask something? Not trying to be funny. Why wouldn’t you just connect your phone up to either Apple CarPlay or android auto, and use the google maps or Apple maps or Waze for example. Surely this is the cheapest, simplest, most reliable option? I thought the days of dedicated sat navs and in built options were long gone.
No, it's perfectly sensible.
Of course, there will be a few people who like the the simplicity and neatness of having it all built in, and dare I say, there's probably a few owners on here that think all this talk of apps is something to do with architecture.
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Undoubtedly inbuilt Satnavs are going the way of inbuilt cassette player and CD players. As Smartphones are now so cheap and plentiful that used with Android Auto or Carplay and a mapping App they supercede inbuilt Satnavs in most ways. Given the rate of development I foresee that Satnavs will go the way of the Dodo in 5 years.
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My phone has a 5" screen and is just too small for ageing eyes. I only need glasses for reading so I don't need them for driving.
The built in unit is considerably larger and makes a world of difference.
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My phone has a 5" screen and is just too small for ageing eyes. I only need glasses for reading so I don't need them for driving.
The built in unit is considerably larger and makes a world of difference.
Yes but the phone connects instantly to the inbuilt display. As soon as I start the car my maps load instantly on the screen as well as podcasts and calendar. This is all from my phone which stays in my pocket and never leaves.
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Of course, there will be a few people who like the the simplicity and neatness of having it all built in, and dare I say, there's probably a few owners on here that think all this talk of apps is something to do with architecture.
Yes, that’s me! I have neither built-in SatNav nor Smartphone, but I wouldn't be without my portable Garmin, with unlimited updates bought for £70 around 10 years ago. I’ve used it in numerous hire cars around Europe as well as in my own cars.
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Of course, there will be a few people who like the the simplicity and neatness of having it all built in, and dare I say, there's probably a few owners on here that think all this talk of apps is something to do with architecture.
Yes, that’s me! I have neither built-in SatNav nor Smartphone, but I wouldn't be without my portable Garmin, with unlimited updates bought for £70 around 10 years ago. I’ve used it in numerous hire cars around Europe as well as in my own cars.
Ok if you don’t own a smartphone and don’t want one, the portable sat navs are the way to go for sure. In built systems always seem to have their issues.
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My phone has a 5" screen and is just too small for ageing eyes. I only need glasses for reading so I don't need them for driving.
The built in unit is considerably larger and makes a world of difference.
Yes but the phone connects instantly to the inbuilt display. As soon as I start the car my maps load instantly on the screen as well as podcasts and calendar. This is all from my phone which stays in my pocket and never leaves.
I do indeed have my phone connect to my headunit but only to interrupt the audio and issue upcoming speed camera alerts. I'll be interested to see the Crosstar difference as my headunit isn't Android. 2013 Honda/Alpine Premium Audio with nav.
It's horses for courses and my preference is to have a built in SatNav if possible. I know roads change but I'm not one to follow SatNav guidance fully as we all know they do some odd things.
I used my current 2012 mapping in 2019 when the daughter was house hunting in Reading and it got us to every house without issue.
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Just to put my vote in, I too prefer built in and it's never failed to find a place for me. No clutter and nothing to remove to deter the car from being broken into.
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I've no experience of the Honda system, but I do have a Vauxhall which came with 2012 mapping, which I did update in 2019. To be honest, the old maps very rarely caused me any problems, apart from a few roundabouts missing and altered junctions, and of course any new build developments were completely missing.
What I do find useful over a stand alone satnav is the fact that radio audio is muted down when the satnav is giving instructions. I like music on a long journey, and I occasionally didn't quite hear the odd instruction fully, so had to look at the screen.
Although it's an older system, they still produce annual updates.
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My phone never leaves my pocket and I can use Waze on CarPlay - why would anyone use the built in navigation these days?
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Maybe for the reasons posted above.
As I said, horses for courses and for me the built in unit works well so I can use my phone to (non android headunit) for other things.
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My phone never leaves my pocket and I can use Waze on CarPlay - why would anyone use the built in navigation these days?
I presume you mean on a new car with that capability.
Mine doesn't, and the built in satnav works well enough.
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On the latest Jazz yup :)
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On the latest Jazz yup :)
Of course it helps to have a decent phone otherwise known as iPhone :D
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Of course it helps to have a decent phone otherwise known as iPhone :D
You don't really need anything fancy, or even recent, to run a satnav app. Of course, a flip Doro isn't much use ;)
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On the latest Jazz yup :)
Of course it helps to have a decent phone otherwise known as iPhone :D
I've never had or would consider IOS over Android. Apple is too locked down and expensive for my liking.
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On the latest Jazz yup :)
Of course it helps to have a decent phone otherwise known as iPhone :D
I've never had or would consider IOS over Android. Apple is too locked down and expensive for my liking.
I used to be a big android enthusiast and anti Apple, but Android is too unreliable. With Apple things just work. I’ve read on this forum about issues with android auto, and have experienced this previously. Apple CarPlay just works flawlessly. The constant trying to get android to connect to cars and devices is maddening!
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On the latest Jazz yup :)
Of course it helps to have a decent phone otherwise known as iPhone :D
I've never had or would consider IOS over Android. Apple is too locked down and expensive for my liking.
For phones I would agree with you. For computers the security and stability of Apple iOS can't be beaten and is worth the money.
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For phones I would agree with you. For computers the security and stability of Apple iOS can't be beaten and is worth the money.
Ever used Linux, the choice of power users ( pretty much every server / data centre in the world runs on Linux ) and the most stable operating system in the universe... ( and it is available free to anyone who wants it ).
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Agree, I prefer linux for it's flexibility and security. I only maintain an old XP machine to run certain 32 bit software, and I could run XP in a virtual machine if I didn't want it on a separate laptop.
Of course android is based on a linux kernel, so plenty are using it without realising.
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Being only user knowledgeable of operating systems I prefer Apple iOS because of the programmes easily available, easily loaded and then just work. Mainly now I'm retired I use Office for word processing, spreadsheet etc. and Photoshop for images plus a bit of video work using Apple software.
Android phone using MotoG series of phones, relatively inexpensive and plenty of power and memory for my needs.
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I am on my first Android phone. Previously I had a Samsung that ran on Symbian. I only ever used it as a phone. My wife has had a range of Apple phones for years, but I have never got the hang of them and don't like them.
I find Android much closer to PC in operation.
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The Mk4 Jazz Garmin map update is now available via the update route using Garmin Express and a suitable USB stick.
2021.10 Map is now available.
https://honda.garmin.com/honda/site for update details.
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On the Civic site, map 2021.1 was posted as available Feb 2020
I wonder if 2021.10 is indeed not 2021.1
I would have expected 2022.1 given Garmin's naming history.
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Civic uses a different map update, 2021 map for Civic and other older Garmin app was released Nov 2020. The Mk4 Jazz has a different version of Garmin navigation App / map (same as Honda e) and the 2021 map has only just been released.
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Thanks for the heads up, just updated mine, over 2 hours to download and about 30 mins to install, all ok now.
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I've done some research on this and it is possible to update the Garmin maps using Garmin Express, but you need a 16Gb memory stick (must be 16 not more or less). I have to admit I haven't tried this on my car as I hardly ever use the Garmin satnav. Install Garmin Express on a desktop PC (Windows in my case), you can find out how by Googling it. In the car, inset the memory stick before starting up then in Satnav mode go to Settings/Device/Update Map. This then records the spec of your car on the stick, it is removed and you return to Garmin Express on the PC, it reads the stick and downloads the maps required (follow the instructions). If all successful then return to the car and use the "update maps" to refresh the car's memory. Simple really!
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Basically, it is the same as my stand-alone Garmin, except you use the USB stick, and I use a cable.
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.... and don't forget that if you have a speedcam subscription that results in a Garmin .GPI file then this needs placing in the USB stick POI folder before updating the map.
If you have any issues like no audio alerts or dots instead of a speed related icon then post back as this is one area I do have some experience.
Update - ignore the above as Steve_M has stated that the Jazz Garmin implementation no longer uses .GPI files.
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.... and don't forget that if you have a speedcam subscription that results in a Garmin .GPI file then this needs placing in the USB stick POI folder before updating the map.
If you have any issues like no audio alerts or dots instead of a speed related icon then post back as this is one area I do have some experience.
This version of Garmin map does not seem to use GPI files in the POI folder like previous versions. There are country/region specific NFS files with an associated CHK file.
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Oh, that puts on screen cameras out of reach then.
Have you managed anything as I know you had them running on the Civic ?
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Anyone got a recommendation for a 16gb usb that definitely works? There's a lot of duds out there!
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Anything from a reputable retailer. Pop to Wilko.
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My usual source is mymemory.co.uk . Their own brand stuff is excellent value.
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I was going to post MyMemory as well. I think there is a MrMemory as well that has good reviews.
Just don't use the Amazon marketplace or Ebay, they are awash with fakes.
I get my dashcam SDCards from Scan as they do the Samsung Evo Plus U3 cards that have never given me any issues in my Viofo quad HD 2560x1440@60fps.
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Latest update is buggy and breaks the address search function, leading to random crashes and so forth.
https://www.hondaeforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=816
Waiting for the update fixing the update. ;D
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The update fixing the previous update is out.
All is well now.
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I still don’t know why manufacturers bother with embedded nav anymore, it’ll always be substandard compared to Waze/Google Maps through CarPlay.
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I still don’t know why manufacturers bother with embedded nav anymore, it’ll always be substandard compared to Waze/Google Maps through CarPlay.
Personally, I've never felt the need to have a smart phone but some folk seem unable to exist without one.
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I still don’t know why manufacturers bother with embedded nav anymore, it’ll always be substandard compared to Waze/Google Maps through CarPlay.
Personally, I've never felt the need to have a smart phone but some folk seem unable to exist without one.
Funny how some people will damn a vehicle because of the way it talks to their smartphone... For me there are too many distractions in cars already for the safety of other road users.
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Personally, I've never felt the need to have a smart phone but some folk seem unable to exist without one.
Of course you can live without a Smartphone but life is getting more difficult without one. From mapping Apps to Health Apps and Covid tracing and passports Smartphones are just a fact of life. Why make life more difficult than it is anyway by not having one?
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Personally, I've never felt the need to have a smart phone but some folk seem unable to exist without one.
Of course you can live without a Smartphone but life is getting more difficult without one. From mapping Apps to Health Apps and Covid tracing and passports Smartphones are just a fact of life. Why make life more difficult than it is anyway by not having one?
As well as other studies the people who design, manufacture and sell smart phones ad apps in Silicon valley don't let their kids have a lot of access to phones and tablets - that should tell you a lot. Apps are carefully designed to be addictive, the colours, shapes, sounds and 'rewards' carefully selected to encourage maximum use. If you find you are using the phone to often and feel compelled to 'keep checking' or using it for too many things they are real danger signs. Phones are also a massive, massive risk to privacy - people who complain about CCTV need to take a good hard look at their phone, it can be used to track you, the data is easily stolen and chances are that GCHQ is checking you calls and texts, as well as where you are. Security services keep track of terrorists by using phone data, many of the terrs nuked by US and Israeli drones were probably using their mobile or had it switched on when the Hellfire missile took them out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/silicon-valley-parents-are-raising-their-kids-tech-free/
https://appmasters.com/8-secrets-designing-addictive-app/
https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/august-2019/smartphones-are-making-us-stupid-and-may-be-a-gateway-drug
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It stays in my pocket in the car and gives me better sat nav than Honda :)
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Personally, I've never felt the need to have a smart phone but some folk seem unable to exist without one.
Of course you can live without a Smartphone but life is getting more difficult without one. From mapping Apps to Health Apps and Covid tracing and passports Smartphones are just a fact of life. Why make life more difficult than it is anyway by not having one?
As well as other studies the people who design, manufacture and sell smart phones ad apps in Silicon valley don't let their kids have a lot of access to phones and tablets - that should tell you a lot. Apps are carefully designed to be addictive, the colours, shapes, sounds and 'rewards' carefully selected to encourage maximum use. If you find you are using the phone to often and feel compelled to 'keep checking' or using it for too many things they are real danger signs. Phones are also a massive, massive risk to privacy - people who complain about CCTV need to take a good hard look at their phone, it can be used to track you, the data is easily stolen and chances are that GCHQ is checking you calls and texts, as well as where you are. Security services keep track of terrorists by using phone data, many of the terrs nuked by US and Israeli drones were probably using their mobile or had it switched on when the Hellfire missile took them out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/silicon-valley-parents-are-raising-their-kids-tech-free/
https://appmasters.com/8-secrets-designing-addictive-app/
https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/august-2019/smartphones-are-making-us-stupid-and-may-be-a-gateway-drug
Like everything else in life you have to use common sense. Mind you common sense is less and less common!
My Smartphone is just a tool I use and makes life smoother. Nothing more, nothing less!
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What Culzean says about the tech people in Silicon valley is spot on. There is even a school where lots of tech entrepreneurs send their kids and no IT is used in the classroom and smartphones are banned.
Read an article about this a few years ago. The argument was that kids pick up all they need to know about IT in the home - using it at school is unnecessary and damaging to critical thinking.
Controversial but I can see their point.
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I tried to update my Crosstar's satnav today. Garmin Express, however, is adamant that 2020.10 is the latest version so there's nothing to update.
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I had that problem when I first attempted to update. Tried a few times over a month and then last week it said that there was an update but the data on the USB stick was out of date and could not be updated. So I wiped the stick and updated it in the car again. Then went back to my PC and tried again. It downloaded ok. I installed it in the unit successfully.
I previously had a Tom Tom and I think Garmin is nowhere near as good. But it works and its more convenient.
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I initially had Garmin Express stating I was on latest version, even though I was on 2020 version and 2021 version was available.
I attempted again a few days later (new initial USB file from car sat nav but without reformatting USB drive) and it accepted the 2021 update and installed OK.
I used a SanDisk 16GB USB2 flash drive.
There was also an update to Garmin Express app, at least on my Mac version, which I'd applied.
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Hi, having the same problem with my Jazz EX Hybrid. Initially used 32GB USB with several attempts, Garmin Express showing no updates available. Eventually I tried again and GE showed 2021.10 available. Download took over an hour. Went back to the car and started the second part. Third attempt got me to 12%, then failed. Now GE shows no update available!! Changed to 16GB USB as recommended and tried yet again with the same result - no update available.
Now in an email exchange with Garmin Support. Log files from GE sent to Garmin Support together with photos taken of the screen display showing the map version and software versions existing in my car.
Waiting now to see what needs to be done to fix it.
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Hi there.
As I understand it, Garmin put out an update over a week ago. This proved to be severly faulty and has 'broken' my Navigation search feature, (plus a few other features). They released a new version last week but pulled it again after only a day or so, (obviously NOT the finished article). If you try to update currently it just tells you that you have the latest maps and no update available, Waiting for them to release a stable update. >:(
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Hi, having the same problem with my Jazz EX Hybrid. Initially used 32GB USB with several attempts, Garmin Express showing no updates available. Eventually I tried again and GE showed 2021.10 available.
Issues with large pendrives were frequent also for the old Honda Connect, Jazz GK3, HR-V, Civic IX and CR-V.. Update for my 2017 ex works fine both with 8, 16 and 32gb if fully FAT32 formatted.
Happy you have the 2021.10 update avaiable, we still have the 2021.0...
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Ditto, still waiting.... Heres a revolutionary idea! Why not put the last working version back up so that us saps that upgraded can have their working Garmin back!
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Contacted the Local Honda dealership yesterday who confirmed that this is a widespresd problem. (They updated several vehicles for customers, and 'broke' their sat-navs). Like us, waiting for Garmin to pull their finger out!
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Only 10 days since I rang the dealer ans STILL NOTHING DONE!
Outrageous.
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Madness. I’d really recommend trying Waze / Google on CarPlay in the interim.
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I've had several cars with Satnav and have to say that Waze or Google maps are far superior to the built-in Satnav systems. Now that Carplay and Android Auto are widely available I wonder if car manufacturers will soon not include Satnav's at all.
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I use TomTon Go on my phone and it is great. Quite happy to pay the minimal subscription costs. Beats my Garmin hands down.
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I've had several cars with Satnav and have to say that Waze or Google maps are far superior to the built-in Satnav systems. Now that Carplay and Android Auto are widely available I wonder if car manufacturers will soon not include Satnav's at all.
When they started fitting multifunction display screens to vehicles to control heating etc it was a cheap chance to offer reversing cameras and satnav, Inbuilt satnavs have always been expensive to update maps and firmware, even though they are based on normal stand-alone satnavs that got free updates for life. At least with a stand alone satnav you can move it between vehicles - or use phone based apps. Would never pay extra for an inbuilt satnav....too many downsides.
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I've had several cars with Satnav and have to say that Waze or Google maps are far superior to the built-in Satnav systems. Now that Carplay and Android Auto are widely available I wonder if car manufacturers will soon not include Satnav's at all.
When they started fitting multifunction display screens to vehicles to control heating etc it was a cheap chance to offer reversing cameras and satnav, Inbuilt satnavs have always been expensive to update maps and firmware, even though they are based on normal stand-alone satnavs that got free updates for life. At least with a stand alone satnav you can move it between vehicles - or use phone based apps. Would never pay extra for an inbuilt satnav....too many downsides.
No, I wouldn’t pay extra for an inbuilt satnav and the drift to touch screen controlled heating etc. is surely dangerous? If it is illegal to use a smartphone while driving - even to modify settings - then why is it okay to scroll through screens on a multifunction display screen to make simple changes to temperature or radio? It doesn’t make sense.
Fortunately Honda have retained actual knobs for simple tasks.
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Can I just ask something? Not trying to be funny. Why wouldn’t you just connect your phone up to either Apple CarPlay or android auto, and use the google maps or Apple maps or Waze for example. Surely this is the cheapest, simplest, most reliable option? I thought the days of dedicated sat navs and in built options were long gone.
I was looking at some bumf about the new Toyota Yaris some time ago and the 2021 models do not come with built in sat navs anymore.
That said, one reviewer thought this was a retrograde step as phone based sat nav systems drop out if there is no mobile signal.
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That said, one reviewer thought this was a retrograde step as phone based sat nav systems drop out if there is no mobile signal.
Only the 'live map' relies on phone signal, you can download map and store on the phone ( SD card ) and GPS on phones not reliant on having a phone signal so will still navigate using GPS.
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I had an email from Tomtom a few days ago promoting Tomtom go Navigation and the email stated:
"Be ready for any journey with up-to-date traffic and offline maps.
Get a real driving experience in one easy-to-use app. TomTom GO Navigation gives you offline maps, live traffic info, speed camera alerts and more. Try it for free today and enjoy 30 days of simpler, smoother driving."
At £12.99 per year https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/sat-nav/go-navigation/ it doesn't break the bank but the info doesn't indicate the storage requirement. It seems to be a matter of pre-planning a trip and it will download the relevant map tiles. The emphasis is on avoiding mobile data charges but the benefit of covering black holes in the network coverage is welcome.
OSMand https://osmand.net/ has been around for years. I haven't used it for navigation although it has the capability but install it on my phone so I have a maps which don't need a network connection.
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OSMand https://osmand.net/ has been around for years. I haven't used it for navigation although it has the capability but install it on my phone so I have a maps which don't need a network connection.
I have the freeware version of OSMand on my phone. Its routing is basic, but the detail of the maps (OpenStreetMap) it uses is good. It doesn't work with Android Auto.
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I just up updated my maps yesterday and it was 16 Mb. TomTom Go not data hungry.
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I just up updated my maps yesterday and it was 16 Mb. TomTom Go not data hungry.
I suspect that is one of Tomtom's supplementary updates. The full set of maps for a standalone Tomtom is several gigabytes although I think that includes western Europe.
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My TomTom on my phone only has northern UK. I have the option to load more but that is all I currently need.
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Garmin Express letting me 're-install' the map today. Is it fixed? We shall see...
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Installed, and despite loading glitch (140% etc), appears to be working ok now.
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Europe 2021.10 - Now working
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If one uses a smartphone for navigation rather than the inbuilt car satnav, does that not eat up your monthly data allowance?
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If one uses a smartphone for navigation rather than the inbuilt car satnav, does that not eat up your monthly data allowance?
Yes, it can, but with Google Maps you can download chunks of map to the phone. Then it's just the routing and live traffic data that gets downloaded whilst you're out and about.
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I wonder if the recent Garmin Express v 7.7.0.0 with a tag of 'critical update' had anything to do with previous corrupted map files ?
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Most monthly data allowances are basically unlimited these days anyway.
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Most monthly data allowances are basically unlimited these days anyway.
It depends on the network. Some are more expensive than others. Some resell their spare capacity under a bargain marque (eg. Giff-Gaff for O2, and Smarty for Three).
EE is one of the more expensive ones, but they do have the advantage of being required to have the best coverage as part of the Emergency Services 4G network (which still hasn't properly been deployed).
It all depends on what you're prepared to pay for (or can negotiate with the retentions department).
My current contract was originally £12 for 8GB/month (lots of mistakes by EE in giving me rebates), but is now £15 for 40GB/month (after a loyalty rebate) having withdrawn the original deal. That's more than I'd ever normally use in a month by a factor of ten.
The more important thing is that they have good coverage in rural NW Wales where my parents now live.
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If one uses a smartphone for navigation rather than the inbuilt car satnav, does that not eat up your monthly data allowance?
It does but doesn't seem to use very much. You can test by checking your data allowance at the start of a journey then check again at the end to get a rough idea. These days the allowance you get allows for watching video clips which eat up the data, maps shouldn't put much of a dent in your allowance
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Last month Google Maps used 330MB of mobile data on my phone.
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Europe 2021.10 - Now working
Re-tried my update again from scratch. GE downloaded the new maps (2021.10) to my USB in about 45 minutes (10GB approx). Took USB to the car and completed the update process in about 15 minutes. Success!!!
Still waiting a reply from Garmin. Thanks 'andynet'.
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Is it possible to use Google maps via your phone.?
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Over CarPlay or AA yes. Waze is better.
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I have noticed that when using AA the navigation shown on the drivers screen sometimes gets "stuck ". When being told to take the second exit at a roundabout it often displays a symbol showing a full 360 for the exit. This then remains on the display until a new direction change is issued. Can be cleared by pressing the home button.
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Is it possible to use Google maps via your phone.?
Yes, but only if you can get a phone data signal... so not in vast area of Scotland or East and North Yorkshire for example. Not on my drive either but signal in upstairs bedrooms is fine :)
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I have noticed that when using AA the navigation shown on the drivers screen sometimes gets "stuck ". When being told to take the second exit at a roundabout it often displays a symbol showing a full 360 for the exit. This then remains on the display until a new direction change is issued. Can be cleared by pressing the home button.
Depends on the phone. AA reliability and quality varies wildly from device to device (like most things on Android). CarPlay is a more consistent experience.
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Also your provider makes a difference to coverage.
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Is it possible to use Google maps via your phone.?
Yes, but only if you can get a phone data signal... so not in vast area of Scotland or East and North Yorkshire for example. Not on my drive either but signal in upstairs bedrooms is fine :)
Not quite true. Google Maps has an offline mode, you need to ensure you have an offline map stored for any area of interest (as with any other offline map app). It'll then switch between live and stored maps as the signal waxes and wanes. Used it throughout a driving tour of New Zealand without any problems.
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I have noticed that when using AA the navigation shown on the drivers screen sometimes gets "stuck ". When being told to take the second exit at a roundabout it often displays a symbol showing a full 360 for the exit. This then remains on the display until a new direction change is issued. Can be cleared by pressing the home button.
I have noticed that too. I have a Google phone (Nexus 3a) so it ought to be maximally compatible.
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Android’s ecosystem is a mess. There are just too many moving targets with the various OS customisations and variations in hardware.
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I have just booked my Crosstar in for it's first service and this will include the latest map update for the in-car system for those who don't fancy doing it themselves
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I have just booked my Crosstar in for it's first service and this will include the latest map update for the in-car system for those who don't fancy doing it themselves
That's excellent. My Honda dealer quoted me £114 to install the "free" update. It doesn't appear to be included in the service plan I bought with the car.
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My Honda dealer quoted me £114 to install the "free" update. It doesn't appear to be included in the service plan I bought with the car.
You might want to point out to them that SatNav updates are included in Honda's list of fixed price repairs:
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
Last item on the list ... £45
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I have just booked my Crosstar in for it's first service and this will include the latest map update for the in-car system for those who don't fancy doing it themselves
That's excellent. My Honda dealer quoted me £114 to install the "free" update. It doesn't appear to be included in the service plan I bought with the car.
I've got the 5-year plan that came with the car so I think it must do
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Europe 2021.10 - Now working
And what about this? "Current Map Version: 2021.20 (Europe) as of April 21st, 2021"
https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=Zqlc1aKWEF7ENDCCUOF6s7
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With roaming charges coming in for those traveling in the EU the use of maps on the phone could get expensive. The garmin may be better.
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Ik heb gisteren de up-date van de navigatie in mijn Jazz verricht. Maar ik zag dat de up-date 2021.10 was. Is er geen recentere up-date voor Europa?
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Translated as:
I did the update of the navigation in my Jazz yesterday. But I saw that the update was 2021.10. Isn't there a more recent update for Europe?
;)
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Google translate is je beste vriend! / Google translate is your best friend! ;D
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I've got the 5-year plan that came with the car so I think it must do
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Sorry. Do you mean that free updates are included in the 5 year plan? (At the start of September I will pick up a new Crosstar with the 5 year plan.)
Thanks.
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All new Honda vehicles with SatNav come with 5 years of free map updates.
At the moment once your 5 years are up that's it, you can't even purchase any more.
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I've got the 5-year plan that came with the car so I think it must do
Sorry. Do you mean that free updates are included in the 5 year plan? (At the start of September I will pick up a new Crosstar with the 5 year plan.)
Thanks.
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Yes that's right, I had my first service yesterday which included the satnav update, all for no cost