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Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« on: February 16, 2022, 03:04:48 PM »
I have a 2016 Honda Jazz and they currently have steel wheels with plastic covers. I want to get some alloys installed. what kind of options do i have? Anyone have any advice? A local honda dealership estimated £250-500 a corner for alloys and tyres, i know there are alot of aftermarket options too. What do i need to watch out for when selecting a wheel or tyre on my specific model?

Update: Got 15" ja1502 black alloys fitted from a Honda dealership. Very happy with the result! Photos attached.
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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2022, 03:44:38 PM »
Firstly  you will need to inform your insurance company as alloys (especially aftermarket ones) are usually regarded as a Modification.  They may charge extra, they may not. 
Many insurers have agreed you dont have to inform them when fitting winter tyres and wheels,  but that exemption doesnt apply to your normal summer tyre wheels.

Check out your car on the following site     https://www.wheel-size.com/size/honda/jazz/2016/
You are less likely to have problems with the insurers if you stick to one of the wheel and tyres size combinations  approved by Honda  for your model

EG  185/60R15     with 6Jx15 wheels ET50         or   185/55R16  with 6Jx16  wheels ET 53

6J means the width of the rim in inches  . wider wheels such as 6.5J or 7J  might still fit the car and tyres, but might upset the insurer.   

the ET number is the amount  by which the wheels 'stick out' from the hubs.  too far out the tyres may rub on the wings , too far in the tyres may rub on the suspension.    Ideally stick exactly to the Honda figure.    You can sometimes get the correct ET on aftermarket wheels  but often they  are significantly  different, yet claimed to be ok.

the wheels will also need to have  PDC of 4x100 . That means 4 wheel bolts, spaced at 100mm Other sizes  (4x108  or 5 bolts ) simply wont fit the hubs 

The other figure is the centre bore , ie the hole in the centre of the wheel.    On Honda this is 56.1 mm  You cannot go smaller than this  as the wheels wont fit the hubs. (eg original toyota Yaris wheels have a centre bore of 54.1 mm)
After market wheels often have a larger centre bore  so they can fit multiple cars  . But they should supply special adaptor rings  (aka spigots) to bring the size down to 56.1mm. This should be ok.

when deciding on a tyre and wheel  size check out the tyre price and available brands  first  . Some sizes are fairly rare ,only have  a few makers, and can cost £30 + more per tyre   :o

You might want locking wheel nuts if you havnt got them already.     you should also check whether your current wheel bolts are suitable for the alloys.   

If you decide to go wild and have significantly different wheel and tyre sizes  you also need to check  the rolling diameter of that tyre size, compared to what you have now , as this affects speedometer accuracy

Consider fitting all season tyres rather than Summer tyres.  The better brands are really very good. Almost as good as the best summer tyre in summer -( and better than most budget summer tyres,) but with the advantage they are much better than summer tyres in winter.    Alternatively if you plan on keeping the steels, and their tyres are due for replacement  fit  all seasons or even winter tyres to those rims  . 15" tyres may be significantly cheaper and you can share tyre wear over two sets of wheels, and not put your alloys at risk of salt or kerbing.
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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2022, 05:48:26 PM »
Check mytyres.com for tyre + alloys, then search local breakers for Jazz alloys in OE size.

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2022, 08:12:45 PM »
Hi.
If you have any issues with insurance for a change of wheels then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2022, 10:46:52 PM »
Firstly  you will need to inform your insurance company as alloys (especially aftermarket ones) are usually regarded as a Modification.  They may charge extra, they may not. 
Many insurers have agreed you dont have to inform them when fitting winter tyres and wheels,  but that exemption doesnt apply to your normal summer tyre wheels.

Check out your car on the following site     https://www.wheel-size.com/size/honda/jazz/2016/
You are less likely to have problems with the insurers if you stick to one of the wheel and tyres size combinations  approved by Honda  for your model

EG  185/60R15     with 6Jx15 wheels ET50         or   185/55R16  with 6Jx16  wheels ET 53

6J means the width of the rim in inches  . wider wheels such as 6.5J or 7J  might still fit the car and tyres, but might upset the insurer.   

the ET number is the amount  by which the wheels 'stick out' from the hubs.  too far out the tyres may rub on the wings , too far in the tyres may rub on the suspension.    Ideally stick exactly to the Honda figure.    You can sometimes get the correct ET on aftermarket wheels  but often they  are significantly  different, yet claimed to be ok.

the wheels will also need to have  PDC of 4x100 . That means 4 wheel bolts, spaced at 100mm Other sizes  (4x108  or 5 bolts ) simply wont fit the hubs 

The other figure is the centre bore , ie the hole in the centre of the wheel.    On Honda this is 56.1 mm  You cannot go smaller than this  as the wheels wont fit the hubs. (eg original toyota Yaris wheels have a centre bore of 54.1 mm)
After market wheels often have a larger centre bore  so they can fit multiple cars  . But they should supply special adaptor rings  (aka spigots) to bring the size down to 56.1mm. This should be ok.

when deciding on a tyre and wheel  size check out the tyre price and available brands  first  . Some sizes are fairly rare ,only have  a few makers, and can cost £30 + more per tyre   :o

You might want locking wheel nuts if you havnt got them already.     you should also check whether your current wheel bolts are suitable for the alloys.   

If you decide to go wild and have significantly different wheel and tyre sizes  you also need to check  the rolling diameter of that tyre size, compared to what you have now , as this affects speedometer accuracy

Consider fitting all season tyres rather than Summer tyres.  The better brands are really very good. Almost as good as the best summer tyre in summer -( and better than most budget summer tyres,) but with the advantage they are much better than summer tyres in winter.    Alternatively if you plan on keeping the steels, and their tyres are due for replacement  fit  all seasons or even winter tyres to those rims  . 15" tyres may be significantly cheaper and you can share tyre wear over two sets of wheels, and not put your alloys at risk of salt or kerbing.

Thanks alot for the detailed reply, it was very helpful. I will look into this information. I hadn't even thought that it might be an issue with insurance.

So i am to understand that this is the correct wheel size for a 2016 Honda Jazz? -  185/60R15     with 6Jx15 wheels ET50         or   185/55R16  with 6Jx16  wheels ET 53
I had a look on that website but i could not find an option for 2016 1.3 VTEC. Will the measurements for the 1.3 be accurate?

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2022, 08:48:44 AM »
Interesting post. I am thinking of going the other way with my 2013 EX - i.e. from 16in alloys to 15in steels!
The benefits to this seem to be a) a better ride and b) greater and therefore cheaper choice of tyres.
What's stopping me at the moment is finding a realistic price for a set of used steels!

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2022, 09:04:02 AM »

So i am to understand that this is the correct wheel size for a 2016 Honda Jazz? -  185/60R15     with 6Jx15 wheels ET50         or   185/55R16  with 6Jx16  wheels ET 53
I had a look on that website but i could not find an option for 2016 1.3 VTEC. Will the measurements for the 1.3 be accurate?
Not necessarily. I just took a random 2016 Jazz. I think it also had a coupe of other sizes listed .  I tried googling it as 1.3 V-Tec but it showed the same listing  (which had 1.2 V-tec as an alternative on the asian market)

 What size tyres do you have at present?   If its 185/60R15  then you should be  ok with 185/55R16    . The slightly lower side wall height  (55% of the 185mm tread width rather than 60% for the 15" tyre) ) makes up for the 1" increase in wheel diameter, to give roughly the same  rolling circumference for both.  Or go for 15 " alloys. Not so common but they are available.

if you currently have 175/65/R15 tyres  I'd need to check further.

   If a Honda dealer is fitting genuine Honda wheels  as fitted to higher trim levels it could be seen more favourably by an insurers,  but bear in mind  higher trim levels sometimes have a higher insurance grouping to start with , which takes into account more expensive  fittings such as alloys .  So you should still inform them. And genuine Hond a wheels are very expensive. A lot more than paying a bit extra on insurance I would think.
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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2022, 02:25:26 PM »

So i am to understand that this is the correct wheel size for a 2016 Honda Jazz? -  185/60R15     with 6Jx15 wheels ET50         or   185/55R16  with 6Jx16  wheels ET 53
I had a look on that website but i could not find an option for 2016 1.3 VTEC. Will the measurements for the 1.3 be accurate?
Not necessarily. I just took a random 2016 Jazz. I think it also had a coupe of other sizes listed .  I tried googling it as 1.3 V-Tec but it showed the same listing  (which had 1.2 V-tec as an alternative on the asian market)

 What size tyres do you have at present?   If its 185/60R15  then you should be  ok with 185/55R16    . The slightly lower side wall height  (55% of the 185mm tread width rather than 60% for the 15" tyre) ) makes up for the 1" increase in wheel diameter, to give roughly the same  rolling circumference for both.  Or go for 15 " alloys. Not so common but they are available.

if you currently have 175/65/R15 tyres  I'd need to check further.

   If a Honda dealer is fitting genuine Honda wheels  as fitted to higher trim levels it could be seen more favourably by an insurers,  but bear in mind  higher trim levels sometimes have a higher insurance grouping to start with , which takes into account more expensive  fittings such as alloys .  So you should still inform them. And genuine Hond a wheels are very expensive. A lot more than paying a bit extra on insurance I would think.

Thanks alot for all the info again. Im not sure on my tyre size I will have a look on the wheel and tyre and try and find out.

I did see some 15 inch alloys but alot more choice it seems at 16. Is there a disadvantage to having larger rims and smaller tyres to make up the same rolling circumference?

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2022, 04:21:15 PM »
Is there a disadvantage to having larger rims and smaller tyres to make up the same rolling circumference?
The main things you may notice is 15" tyres can be  quite a lot cheaper than the 16" equivalent, at least in the sizes specified by Honda.  More common tyre sizes may not vary as much.    And 15 " wheels  give a more comfortable ride on poor surfaces than 16" with lower profile tyre.   
The 16" may be slightly more susceptible to kerb damage , but on a 185 wide tread the difference in side wall height is only 10 mm (less than half an inch in old money) so probably not really a factor.

Claimed advantages for bigger wheel/lower profile  is ,to some, they  look better .  . They handle and brake slightly better (less squirming) but at the expense of comfort . The tyres may have less rolling resistance  which could improve fuel consumption very slightly.   But you probably wouldnt notice these much between 15" and 16"  Only with extreme  cases  such as 19" wheels with a rubber band as a tyre that you sometimes see.
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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2022, 05:09:26 PM »
Interesting post. I am thinking of going the other way with my 2013 EX - i.e. from 16in alloys to 15in steels!
The benefits to this seem to be a) a better ride and b) greater and therefore cheaper choice of tyres.
What's stopping me at the moment is finding a realistic price for a set of used steels!
I too would prefer steel wheels, I presume your steel wheels are 15” which give greater comfort and are cheap to replace but each to their own.
I bought a near perfect 16” inch alloy with a newish Michelin as a spare from a breaker for £70.  Try contacting breakers see what they  can offer.

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2022, 05:32:13 PM »
Thanks - I've not had much luck with online breakers so far. Will be visiting local yards when the weather gets a bit better!

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2022, 03:55:24 PM »
I called a local honda garage and they quoted me £660 for alloys (see image attached) +£57 fitting charge. They also recommended a set of locking wheel nuts after the alloys are fitted for £63.

The ones attached are 15" and seem nice to me. My current tyres have written on the side 185/60R15 88HH, so I was told they would fit the alloys.

I'm still having a think about it but I am tempted.

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2022, 07:37:03 AM »
I called a local honda garage and they quoted me £660 for alloys (see image attached) +£57 fitting charge. They also recommended a set of locking wheel nuts after the alloys are fitted for £63.

The ones attached are 15" and seem nice to me. My current tyres have written on the side 185/60R15 88HH, so I was told they would fit the alloys.

I'm still having a think about it but I am tempted.
Seems quite a good price for Honda originals, you can pay almost as much (or more) for after market. 

Personally I would just pay for the rimss and put them in the boot. Then get an independent tyre specialist to do any tyre fitting and wheel swopping  , probably included in the tyre  price.     
You can probably buy locking wheel nuts for half that price, but maybe OE quality is worth paying for.

Dont let them keep your old wheels , unless its factored into the agreed price that you do.  (They may be hoping you forget)    There are probably those on this site who would give you a fair price for them.

Or better still keep them if you have the space.  When you sell the car you may not get a trade in price that fairly  reflects the value of the alloys. You could refit the old wheels instead. And either sell the alloys or fit them to your next car. And its always handy having a spare set of wheels to share the wear.  It may save you having to buy new tyres just before you plan to sell the car.

If you are thinking of having your existing tyres fitted to the new rims  carefully check the remaining tread depth.
New tyres typically have 8mm of tread, and you replace them at say 2mm, giving  6mm of usable tread wear. 
Tyres with say 4mm remaining  look quite decent, and worth swopping.  But in reality they are two thirds worn and  only have 2mm more wear in them, possibly not worth the cost of fitting and balancing.
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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2022, 09:03:56 AM »
I called a local honda garage and they quoted me £660 for alloys (see image attached) +£57 fitting charge. They also recommended a set of locking wheel nuts after the alloys are fitted for £63.

The ones attached are 15" and seem nice to me. My current tyres have written on the side 185/60R15 88HH, so I was told they would fit the alloys.

I'm still having a think about it but I am tempted.
Are your existing wheel nuts zinc plated?  If not, then you should consider them.  I think plain steel nuts will look out of place.  A set are around £20.00 on-line.

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Re: Getting new alloys (for Honda Jazz 2016 )
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2022, 03:30:54 PM »
Also check carefully that the wheel nuts are suitable/compatible with the requirements of the alloys you fit, different ones use different cone/spherical type seating designs.

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