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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: guest5315 on March 22, 2015, 09:31:22 AM
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Hi All
I am having a grinding noise when I turn hard right, it does not do it every time either. Sometimes very slight sometimes quite loud. I thought at first it was the brake dust cover rubbing as that’s what it sounds like but that is well clear. The brake pads are good, well away from worn out. There is no effect on the steering which is vibration free and drives straight, no problem with the brakes either.
It has a new gaiter on that side, put on before I got that car so I am thinking a problem with the drive shaft where it joins the wheel.
Has anyone had something similar, any ideas?
Cheers
:)
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No one's jumped in thus far so I will.
What's the mileage?
Does it make a noise when you're stopped and pull hard right with steering wheel?
What's the CV gaiter on the opposite side like? I seem to remember that it's the CV joint on the opposite side to the direction the car is turning that would make a noise if there was a problem.
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its pretty rare to get problems with CV joints on modern cars, CV noise should get worse if you put power on while steering on full lock as this is the worst condition for them to transfer drive power to the wheel.
Could be tyre rubbing on something ? are the tyres correct size for the car, is the wheel offset correct (should be 45mm I think - it is stamped into the rim of wheel - the offset is distance between face which bolts onto hub and centreline of wheel rim) - best way is to take front wheels off and see if anything obvious - do you have mudflaps, sometimes they can catch tyre on full lock
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Hi
Thank you for your replies.
The mileage is 86000. No there is no noise when turned hard right when standing or at low speed, get it up around 30-40 and turn hard right and it will vary from nothing to a harsh grinding. I usually do short runs so I need to take it on a long one to see if it gets worse the more its used.
I will check the gaiter on the others side, I assume its ok as it passed the MOT. An interesting thought that it should be the other side that makes the noise on full lock, the noise seems to be coming from the right though.
The tyres are the correct size and there are no mud flaps on mine. Its not a tyre rubbing sound, it sounds like something metal rubbing on the brake disk. My first thought was the brake dust cover as it sounds exactly like that, however when I took the wheel off and checked it all it was fine. The cover has seen better days but there is plenty of room between it and the brake disk, I could see nothing out of place.
I tried driving around in circles in an open space and at first nothing then it began, as I drove away it grinding and stopped once straight. At normal driving its either not there or very slight, I thought it was clearing and that it was some rust maybe on the joint. The car has done very little mileage in the last year and I wondered if it has been sat with a ripped gaiter then it might have rusted and with use go away. However while taking a roundabout the other day it let rip again and quite load, even the wife heard it so that says something lol.
A tricky one ::)
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Could be a damaged wheel bearing, on a quiet road try slaloming right with no load on the CV joint (coasting) if the noise still happens it could be wheel bearing has been damaged by bad pothole impact or similar. A front wheel bearing may not make noticeable noise when straight ahead but when direction of load is changed by turning wheel at an angle to the road the bearing may make a grinding noise. Putting power on while wheel at an angle also increases load on wheel bearing as well as CV joint. Jack up the car and spin the front wheels, also try to rock them to see if any play in bearings although the bearing can be noisy and still have no side play. You could put steering on full RH lock and jack that side up and spin wheel and feel if any roughness, but do the other side as well.
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Often caused by a stone stuck between disk and disk dust shield..
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Could be a damaged wheel bearing, on a quiet road try slaloming right with no load on the CV joint (coasting) if the noise still happens it could be wheel bearing has been damaged by bad pothole impact or similar. A front wheel bearing may not make noticeable noise when straight ahead but when direction of load is changed by turning wheel at an angle to the road the bearing may make a grinding noise. Putting power on while wheel at an angle also increases load on wheel bearing as well as CV joint. Jack up the car and spin the front wheels, also try to rock them to see if any play in bearings although the bearing can be noisy and still have no side play. You could put steering on full RH lock and jack that side up and spin wheel and feel if any roughness, but do the other side as well.
I will try this, I had not considered a wheel bearing. Thanks
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I took it out for a long run today, a good 80 miles. It made a light grinding noise on a couple of roundabouts but other than that silence. I have not been able to find a quiet bit of road to slalom the car but did find some car park space to give it some hard right hand circles. I went round and round until I was literally giddy :D but it would not make a sound! I reckon this is one of those problems where its going to have to get worse before it can be found.
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Trust my girl is poor and now not far off a year but she never lets me down, gets me to and from work warm and safe and always starts up. you'll get like me, if it hasn't broken yet don't replace yet! haha but i did have a cv joint go on mine and bill was not far off 900 quid :(
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My grinding noise is back! I was able today to do some right hand turns in neutral and it made no difference. The faster the speed the louder the grind. I was able to jack her up but nothing obviously wrong, no signs of anything fouling. I fancied the N/S drive shaft at the gearbox end sounded a bit noisy but I am no expert to say if that was normal or not and just the sound of it being turned.
Some days there is no noise at all and like today awful, odd. :(
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I had a similar problem on a previous Jazz that had an intermittent grinding, vibration type noise that was not associated with turning or other manoeuvres.
The clue in my case was the noise, when present, would start after braking and then go away.
The cause was sticking brake piston/s on a front brake.
The remedy was to replace the brake caliper rather than refurbish the old caliper when labour charges were taken into account.
Vic.
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Hi Vic
I am pretty sure mine is not brakes, it does not change if brakes used or not. Cars always something with them lol :'(
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As Culzean as said previously it could be a damaged wheel bearing. Try rocking each of the front wheels and checking for play. Use your hands at the 3 and 9 o'clock and then 6 and 12 o'clock positions. Obviously chock the rear wheels and make sure car is on axle stands not just a jack like this 'redneck' below. A jack can fail at anytime!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1zGxnF8Qk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1zGxnF8Qk)
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As Culzean as said previously it could be a damaged wheel bearing. Try rocking each of the front wheels and checking for play. Use your hands at the 3 and 9 o'clock and then 6 and 12 o'clock positions. Obviously chock the rear wheels and make sure car is on axle stands not just a jack like this 'redneck' below. A jack can fail at anytime!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1zGxnF8Qk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq1zGxnF8Qk)
Thank you for the link. I should have mentioned earlier I tried this the other day and all seems normal no play, I wish there was bearing play at least I would know what to do next lol. I am leaning towards drive shaft :-\
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Thank you for the link. I should have mentioned earlier I tried this the other day and all seems normal no play, I wish there was bearing play at least I would know what to do next lol. I am leaning towards drive shaft :-\
problem with noisy bearings is they don't always have play in them :-X - and when they do have play in them they may not always make a noise - funny things bearings :'(
other problem is its hard to spin front wheels fast enough to check noise, I have seen a screwdriver blade on the end of stub axle (may have to remove grease cap if one is fitted) with handle of screwdriver pressed to your ear and spin the wheel this amplifies any noise in the bearing.
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Thats true about bearings I had a car once where it was so loose you thought the wheel was loose but not a peep out of it lol. I will have a go at listening to the bearing. On the subject of noises with the car in neutral and just jacked on N/S, should there be any noise from the drive shaft particularly at the gearbox end? When I checked the other day I could hear something turning but I don't know if that normal or a problem. Any tips on checking the drive shaft?
Cheers :)
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I took the car out yesterday and it was grinding from the off, every right hand turn no matter how slight it made the noise. Right I thought lets have it in, so I took it to the garage I use and told them the issue. Well she was a little cow and when they got in it silence! They put it through its paces then up on the ramp, pulled and poked about and found nothing. I drove it home and not a peep out of it, I bet later it starts again lol.
They kinda thought a CV joint by what I described though.
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im having EXACTLY the same issue Welshbob on the off side too..
thought that bearing would be noisy all the time not just turning right??
replaced front discs & pads and had cv joint packed with grease and its still there!!
it sounds like metal rubbing on metal as though the wheel is catching some where ie hub but not sure..
going back to garage in morning
grrrr! >:( >:(
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im having EXACTLY the same issue Welshbob on the off side too..
thought that bearing would be noisy all the time not just turning right??
replaced front discs & pads and had cv joint packed with grease and its still there!!
it sounds like metal rubbing on metal as though the wheel is catching some where ie hub but not sure..
going back to garage in morning
grrrr! >:( >:(
I am no expert but I would expect a worn bearing to make a noise all the time and not grind but rumble, when I test drove mine it had a huge rumble which was a bearing gone and it was changed. I think my problem will be on the near side as that side is loaded when turning right, I am no mechanic though so may be wrong lol
Metal on metal is exactly the noise like something fouling the brake disc but nothing is. Does yours do it every time? I find with mine sometimes it is quiet and some times awful. I have a suspicion that its a CV joint, I could have sworn I heard a slight clunk a couple of times when engaging reverse which is an indication of a worn CV joint. Also I think I can hear a faint grinding noise in a straight line now but I would not put money on it lol.
Its really annoying I know and especially when you take it in and it doesn't make a sound so the garage cannot trace it. I dunno how much the sound can be heard outside the car but as you know it sounds bloomin awful inside.
Let me know please what you find out as will I.
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welshbob
the garage fitted o/s/f wheel bearing and so far no noise..
i asked the garage about not hearing the nouse going forward or turning left, and he said that when turning right the bearing is under more strain and that it wears left toright rather than wearing straight..
£100 bill
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Thats very interesting Fatlad, so its the drivers side one. Let me know how it goes and if it stays silent, I will investigate mine.
Cheers :)
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so far so good...
i haven't been able to give it a proper blast yet
but just tootling too and from work seems OK
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Fingers crossed the new wheel bearing has sorted it. Mine has been quiet this last few days, it goes like that I find.
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in my experience it'l be back im afraid & possibly more obvious
hope it doesn't though for you
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might be the tin plate behind the disc i had that once on a polo when it warmed up just pushed it back and it was fine i was so pleased lol
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might be the tin plate behind the disc i had that once on a polo when it warmed up just pushed it back and it was fine i was so pleased lol
Alas not :( I thought the same as thats how it sounds but on examination no evidence of rubbing and both sides well clear. I bent them well back while I was there but no change.
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my noise came back!!!
took it int local halfords who heard it themselves......
turns out it WAS the plate behind the brakes but the REAR ones despite the noise coming from front.
they tightened up the loose bolts and so far so good....
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Blimey rear ones! that never entered my head lol. Thanks for the info I will be checking mine.
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let me know how you get on
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I'm also experienceing a grinding noise when turning hard. Very off and on and only if I'm turning full to the right. Sounds like it's coming from the front driver wheel. In fact it sounds exactly like in the following clip. It's a very tinny, clangy noise, like scrapping a bin lin across the ground. Does the Jazz have a similar plate to the one in the clip and can I just bend it back? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8UbHpBfmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8UbHpBfmU)
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Thats the noise alright and yes the Jazz does have plates like in the video which can be bent back. I tried that on mine and it is not the front plates, it has been suggested it is the rears ones but as yet I have not had time to check them. The plates are easy to bend back and if they have been catching there will be evidence of rubbing. See how yours are, hope its an easy fix for you.
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I finally found time to inspect my rear brake disk covers, both seem fine and clear from the disk itself with no signs of rubbing. Interestingly both the brake disk screws are missing from my N/S disk, I shouldn't think that should make any difference? After all the wheel is bolted over it.
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We have exactly the same problem. Scraping on right hand turns. This happens sporatically. When it appears, it stays present for the remainder of the trip. It only happens at speed on right turns. The higher the speed for a given turn radius.. the louder the scraping sound. The sound does NOT happen at low speeds like in a parking lot. At 10-20 mph the sound is usually not present and if it is at this low speed it is very quiet. Very noticable at 35 mpoh and above on a circle. There is no knocking, rumbeling, or ticking. It is a metal scraping sound ONLY on fairy tight right handers
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think i posted a reply before on this .. best thing is to remove the caliper and carrier on the drivers side rear . gently turn the hub and see if you can hear something .. i had to remove the rear Disc and found its the cowel part of the backplate you cant see it until you remove the brake Disc. it was scraping the edge of the back of the hub . in my case it was catching one of the back of the wheel studs. but yes easy to just pry away with a screwdriver
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How bizarre. I too had this grinding noise as driving off from being stationery three weeks ago.
I went to the local recycling place and when I started my return journey this rather noisy grinding noise came from underneath the car.
Check underneath to whether if something got stuck but couldn't find anything.
Stopped twice to see if any changes but no changes.
I then had to stop the car two wheels on the pavement ( left side) and wait 5 minutes before driving off.
Then the noise has gone.
Have I got a time bomb sort of a problem do you think?
It's been three weeks since then and did around 300 miles afterwards and thanks god that sound didn't return.
Should I get the car checked you rekon, and what exactly I should ask the garage to check upon please?
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Could have been a stone lodged between the disc and the backplate. Bumping up on the kerb may have dislodged it.