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According to Auto Express readers, who ranked the Jazz mark 4 the slowest new car available in their survey!
Do the magazines even read the comments?
‘Very slow in the lower gears, nearly caused an accident’
Mark 4 Jazz has no gearbox, or gears, and does 0-60 in under 9 seconds.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results
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Yes there are some numpty magazines and journalists who publish tosh.
Probably nothing to do with the 1.5 + electric motor Mk4 but the previous 1.3 cvt ranges.
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Another idiot in one review I read said the Mk4 Jazz would only operate in EV mode up to 25 miles an hour and only for a few hundred yards. I've had mine in EV mode at 60 mph and, coming home from Sainsburys, I've done at least a mile in pure EV mode.
Where do they get these charlatans from? Clearly they just make stuff up.
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I think you need more than a short drive to appreciate the benefits of the hybrid drive of the current Jazz and a lot of rubbish is written by reviewers, most commonly of course saying that it has a CVT gearbox.
The electric drive makes it very quick off the mark and I would expect its 0 to 30 mph time to be comparable with “faster” cars and all done effortlessly of course. Like many others I often see the electric drive cut in at speed. Currently I am enjoying 65 mpg which is much appreciated with current petrol prices.
To conclude but on a different theme, I read today that in USA new hybrid Toyotas are selling at $10,000 above list as there is such a shortage of new cars because of component shortages. Also (and we see it here with Honda) it is only the higher spec cars that seem to be available. I wonder if U.K. will become like the USA market.
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According to Auto Express readers, who ranked the Jazz mark 4 the slowest new car available in their survey!
Do the magazines even read the comments?
‘Very slow in the lower gears, nearly caused an accident’
Mark 4 Jazz has no gearbox, or gears, and does 0-60 in under 9 seconds.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/driver-power/95238/best-cars-to-own-driver-power-results
Can't see the bit of the article that mentions the Jazz but the cars are assessed on actual owners comments not the journalist and it covers a range of years - does the quote come from pre current Jzz hybris views also?
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It's ranked 28th out of 75 - I think the online article only has the top 10 but the magazine has all 75.
The entry is specifically for the Mark 4 from 2020 onwards, but maybe the magazine just reused an article referring to the Mark 3 and kept the previous comments?
Their entry says "The acceleration is rated as the worst of any car in the entire survey, and poor ride quality irritates owners."
I have an EX with the 'big' 16 inch wheels but I think the ride comfort is fine, as good as many cars from a class above I've owned.
No problems at all with the ride, just that cornering isn't the sharpest with a bit of body lean as I have to go round some sharp roundabouts with the wrong camber - but it's not supposed to be a sports car.
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I agree.
The ride in mine is better than my Mk9 Civic. According to what I've read that's because Honda have used more tensile steel that has allowed softer springs.
If Auto Express history is anything to go by maybe their main advertisers are concerned and have asked/told them to mark the Jazz down.
I remember a 3 car shootout in AA where reading all the text you could easily determine the 1,2,3 order. Nope, the one with the worst writeup won ...... a Golf.
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slowest car i ever had was when i was repairing American cars back in the 90.s. i purchased a Cadillac Cimmaron from a trader. late 80.s compact. 1.8 . YES 1.8 . if you remember the mk 2 vauxhall cavalier it was one of those bodyshells with a gm american pushrod engine in it.. but had more extras than a Rolls Royce. air con pump wasd as big as the engine. dare one switch it on it almost came to a stop lol
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The ride of our EX with 16" wheels is much better (and more quiet) than the 1 year old BMW X2 XDrive Auto I sold last year.
In my case I didn't buy the Jazz for it's performance or even because it was a hybrid. I was looking for a small, automatic transmission car that didn't use a CVT or dual clutch type automatic transmission. There are few if any torque converter gearboxes available in small cars, it was purely by chance I discovered how the Jazz MK4 power train worked. I decided to give it a try, organised a test drive & was sold......
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Agreed. The latest Jazz is not a slow car, far from it, it's almost as quick to accelerate as a Golf GTI from not long ago, and compares very favourably with iike for like competitors around today.
So its odd that an owner said the car was painfully slow, and then that was regurgitated by the dumb car magazine, I suspect to knowingly mislead, instead of the filtering that out as incorrect.
Just think of all the other valid comments they could have printed instead, but they chose this one. Ridiculous! :o
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Absolutely true! The slowest car available:
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I watched the video above and was a bit bemused. The gear knob, glove box and steering wheel were highlighted as if they are somehow unique selling points for a Jazz. Absolutely ridiculous.
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I watched the video above and was a bit bemused. The gear knob, glove box and steering wheel were highlighted as if they are somehow unique selling points for a Jazz. Absolutely ridiculous.
Honda's social media marketing in the UK is absolutely dire - trying to say the car has a boot, etc as unique features... when every other car has them.
They've just put out a post about Jazz, saying you can save money on your road tax if you buy one... but they don't tell you that it's only £10 a year!
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Jazzik...nice video ;D. Faster than an older Golf GTI then...... :o
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I was driving my Jazz Mk4 today. I was on my own so no one was telling me how to drive. I was really enjoying the nippy response from the car. I was first away from traffic lights and easily reaching and cruising at motorway speed. This is not a sluggish motor car!
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I was driving my Jazz Mk4 today. I was on my own so no one was telling me how to drive. I was really enjoying the nippy response from the car. I was first away from traffic lights and easily reaching and cruising at motorway speed. This is not a sluggish motor car!
Certainly not sluggish. And the torque away from the lights is remarkable. You are long gone, without fuss , before the BMW's etc have even started up their stop/start engines ;D It brings a smile to my face seeing their shocked looks :o at being left for dead by a Jazz. ;D And its not just being a boy racer. It can save a lot of hassle with zip merging etc if you reach 2 lanes merging into one etc ahead of everyone else .A situation where the 'big boys' tend to barge their way through the 'small fry'. I might pay the price eventually in increased tyre wear :( Also this 'squirt and go' ability helps when merging onto busy roundabouts etc.
My own passenger seat conscience is good at stopping me fixating on whether I am getting 88 mpg down hill or 35 mpg uphill, or why the car isnt in EV mode when you'd expect it to be ,etc. She's right of course. These stats are great initially for showing the fuel savings possible from moderating speed a bit, gentle right foot and a few other techniques. But once learned its better to always drive like that out of habit ,sit back and enjoy. Let the car do its own stuff, with only occasional mpg checks out of interest.
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I have just read the Parkers long term review of the Crosstar as l am looking to purchase one, and the reviewers comments are very favourable, the journalist describes the hybrid system and praises the performance and fuel economy ,oh and of course the magic seats which is all most of the the other magazines focus on.
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Auto Express journalists often can't even use proper English and follow grammatical rules (verbs that don't agree with nouns etc). I cancelled my subscription a long time ago. "Hot hatch shoot out" every week and of course the VW/Audi usually wins. No mention of reliability records. £20,000 cars "cheap as chips" etc etc
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They mustn't upset VAG group as they usually have a double page spread as soon as you open it, in the flyleaf, then a few more dotted around.
It had the potential to be a useful mag but is now a biased rag
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Just for comparison and for those who may be interested, Just to show how Honda put themselves down with a quoted 0-62 of 10.9 for the HR-Ve:HEV
The truth!!!!
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A lot of these internet performance figures videos are a bit wrong unfortunately, as they start the clock when the speedometer registers speed, not when the car starts to move.
You need a gps box like Matt Watson has on carwow to record accurate figures.
The HRV is faster than the official figures, at 9.7 seconds, but not as fast as some think.
Performance of the HRV is almost identical to the Crosstar, until you get close to 100mph when the higher power of the HRV makes a difference.
A site I use is zeperfs, where they combine professional tests from many sources:
Duel: Honda Jazz IV Crosstar e:HEV vs Honda HR-V e:HEV (https://zeperfs.com/en/duel8682-9577.htm)
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One thing to look out for on hybrids is that the real world 0-60 is better than the figures suggest.
The 0-60 on a hybrid should be the same every time when driven by anyone, whereas the 0-60 on 'normal' cars depends on the test driver being brutal and maybe braking with their left foot to build up revs before wheel spinning away.
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The last thing I care about these days is performance. Those days are long gone.
I want a small reliable comfy car with 'toys' and the Jazz fits the bill perfectly.
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It's a shame none of the toys on my car work :(
They 'work' according to Honda, but not to what I'd consider an acceptable standard - and are less effective in operation than those on the 8 year old hatchback car I traded in.
I would have been better buying the nearly new SE I had been considering and sticking my phone on the dash instead of the EX I ended up buying.
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Battery charge level must play part in variance of times as the engine has less power than the electric motor. In the video, for the hrz the battery is full ahead of the 0-60 (and half full for the shorter in year tests). Would Honda have to test with either empty(3 bar) or 1/2 full battery and so sets slower times than independent tests?
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It depends on the output of the generator engine and what the difference between its output and total output when added to the battery.
I see from the power flow videos that both battery and generator are providing power together.
On Prius, you could force charge the battery before performance runs - pressing the accelerator started the engine and charged the battery.
Jazz doesn’t seem to have a similar function. Pressing the accelerator when stopped doesn’t start the petrol generator.
Another Prius trick to force charge that doesn’t seem to work on the Jazz is putting on front defrost / full heat - on Prius that starts the petrol engine. On Jazz it doesn’t always do it.
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It depends on the output of the generator engine and what the difference between its output and total output when added to the battery.
I see from the power flow videos that both battery and generator are providing power together.
On Prius, you could force charge the battery before performance runs - pressing the accelerator started the engine and charged the battery.
Jazz doesn’t seem to have a similar function. Pressing the accelerator when stopped doesn’t start the petrol generator.
Another Prius trick to force charge that doesn’t seem to work on the Jazz is putting on front defrost / full heat - on Prius that starts the petrol engine. On Jazz it doesn’t always do it.
Jazz charges battery too !!!
Car should be in P (parking), then when accelerator pedal pressed fully and keep pressed ice starts and charging battery, from 3 bars to “full” 95% in about 5 minutes.
Not practical to do that often because charging battery to 100% not good for it’s health.
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Even with the HV battery fully charged the range in EV mode may only be about a mile or so. 2 minutes at 30 mph .
So is it worth using petrol for 5 minutes without moving anywhere, when even if the engine is running the whole time, you could have travelled 2 miles or more for the same amount of fuel. ?
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Even with the HV battery fully charged the range in EV mode may only be about a mile or so. 2 minutes at 30 mph .
So is it worth using petrol for 5 minutes without moving anywhere, when even if the engine is running the whole time, you could have travelled 2 miles or more for the same amount of fuel. ?
Only if you are in a competition or need to run the best 1/4 mile time at the track.
Weirdly, there are quite a few Prius that people use for autotests (legally racing round tracks made from traffic cones in carparks to get the best time) in the US.
They force charge the battery before their run, to get the fastest possible time.
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Even with the HV battery fully charged the range in EV mode may only be about a mile or so. 2 minutes at 30 mph .
So is it worth using petrol for 5 minutes without moving anywhere, when even if the engine is running the whole time, you could have travelled 2 miles or more for the same amount of fuel. ?
During this forced charge ICE working with 1100 rpm and on very lean mixture, battery getting charge power 2,5kw and ICE wasting same time around 3kw power calculated by car scanner
Our battery tiny and hold maybe 0,7kwh, In town on full battery I once traveled almost 3 km, all depends on power you requested from battery.
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Where do they get these charlatans from? Clearly they just make stuff up.
... ex government ministers? Journalist becomes minister, minister becomes journalist, the lying qualification applies to both.